Full Automation is a Doomsday clock

You all realize that full automation represents a kind of economic "singularity", and when it happens full private ownership of capital will become impossible. Society will default to some kind of socialistic distributionism, or tear itself appart in neo-luddite uprisings. No workers means a society of welfare recipient drug addicts, you realize that right? And it WILL happen, because full automation represents the highest profit margin. This is inevitable.

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Automation will be a slow and lengthy process, and will match the slow drop in birth rates. Humans of the future will be more educated and spend more time developing new technologies to drive us to the stars. Stay optimistic, if you believe that it will happen, it will.

>Humans of the future will be more educated
Do you expect average IQ to rise as a result of genetic engineering? How will people pay for that if they're all unemployed?

>Humans of the future will be more educated
Brawndo, It's Got Electrolytes. It's What Plants Crave.

Possibly, if automation is as complete and powerful as you believe I don't see why it couldn't be affordable.

What is George Jetson complaining about his hour long workday pushing a single button at Spacely Sprockets

Profit margin is pointless if you have to pay for everyone. The current system is by far the highest possible margin. There are maybe a few upgrades left, like automated shipping.

Will automation kill the Jews or not?

Universal basic income will come, but the world will have the overlords, the discoverers, and the shit

>I don't see why it couldn't be affordable.
I guess the reason I'm skeptical about society just peacefully transitioning to a socialist welfare state after full auto, is that there will be a consumer collapse. Its contradictory to go full auto out of a maximized profits motive, but eliminate the customer base of workers that would buy all your products anyway. I don't see the global elites just volunteering themselves for world socialism like that.

Won't happen in our lifetimes user

This will not be a problem until every home has it's own Fusion Generator + Replicator unit. This means complete individual energy and manufacturing/food independence. Ironically, the "problem" is also a self-contained solution. The only remaining problem in a post-scarcity world is land distribution under conditions of overpopulation. In that case, declining birth rates are a blessing.

>Won't happen in our lifetimes user
That's what they said about the Muslims reaching Europe, once upon a time. That's what they said about whites becoming a minority. That's what they always say.

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This is something I would think Sup Forums would be more concerned with. Somehow, the conversation never really picks up around here.

Universal basic inflation?

Genius

fight in space n shheit already gundam war when?

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you mean universal basic awesome senpai . the inflation is but the catalyst . the fun begins when people cant afford to pay their rent and the government doesnt got money to expand the prison system and they are at capacity

When you pool money at the top without reinvesting it in new projects that require people to design methods or processes to create. Your company and economy stagnates until finally it collapses under its own weight.

>There are maybe a few upgrades left, like automated shipping
Checked, Amazons working on that shit asap

Which jobs will survive automation?

Assuming Human IQ=Robot IQ is achieved

Don't worry user, there will be a massive die-off of the less important 80% of the population before things get too crazy and the remainder will be forced to live in peaceful automated gilded cages under absolute control of the elite
Freedom was a mistake, it'll never happen again

Exactly.

Trump won't let that happen

>2016 - Sup Forums worries about Mexicans stealing construction jobs and poos stealing tech support jobs
>2060 - Sup Forums uninstalls the internet over fears that their AI girlfriends are taking their jobs
mfw

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You do realize that once we hit full automation, worthless eaters will be killed by the billions, right? It will be like communism on steroids

Except that it won't happen.

>worthless eaters
spotted the TV watcher

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This planet will require a holocaust or two, and i'm not talking about a holocaust of white people either.

Won't matter, once America has robots doing automated jobs, illegal mexican robots will just cross the border and take the jobs.

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>volume of production increases relative to money supply
>inflation because welfare is turned into UBI
No

race war will long be over by then, and everything will be fine without the jews and niggers (of all shades)

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think humans in 2010 were more educated or less educated than humans in 1510?

doesnt matter since theyre still animalistic plebians

>doesnt matter

It does matter you ugly bitch

False

2030s

On average more educated. In terms of the quality of those educated, much less. I work with graduates from the "ivy league", and it does wonders for my ego knowing that nothing of value was lost by going to a local state university. They are some of the least intelligent -- but "highly educated" --people I've ever met. They all think I'm fascinating and they just love the work I do for them. Jokes on them.

prostitution, but I cannot think of much else. there'll always be people who prefer to fuck humans for no underlying reason, so those fuckable humans cannot be replaced until anti-robot bigotry gets eliminated from the gene pool.

This

>welfare recipient drug addicts
Nice jumping to extreme-conclusions. Welfare sure, but drug addicts? Do you REALLY need to make it sound that bad? That along with the context of your argument with the pic suggest pure conspiracy-theory.

You know Saudi-Arabia is a welfare state yes? They control a huge portion of global oil and it's their only real product, therefore no real job market elsewhere outside of the few jobs already filled in the oil industry. The only reason welfare fails is because of niggers, liberals, and being an inbred hick.

How is the joke on them? Their degree is worth more and you still do the work.

>The only reason welfare fails is because you eventually run out of other people's money

ftfy

>implying it isn't just an all-out dash by the top powers to get to full automation first
>implying the redundant masses won't be exterminated the second that happens

Oops, my bad. I forgot there's no sarcasm on Sup Forums. I was being sardonic, for exactly the reason you describe. But in honesty, I don't really regret it. I learned a while back to develop gratitude for non-pecuniary forms of wealth. I make enough to not be in debt, I own my on property, and enough to soon start my own business. It sounds lame I guess, but I think I have wealth in terms of knowledge and spirituality that most wealthier people I know don't have. All of the people I work for are divorced, godless libshits whose children (if they have them) have no relationship with them except as ATMs. I don't envy that at all. I'm grateful for what God gave me.

Social Studies degree from Harvard isn't worth more than my top 5 English uni degree in Applied Physics.
Also, mine has use after the day of the rope/a real happening.

It can succeed with a decreasing population, and strong rule of law to keep faggots in check. Also strong morals to keep actual faggots in check

he's right. The poor will one day come for the rich, and boil them alive on twitch or some equivalent.
History has a tendency of repeating itself

Absolute fucking kino.

>implying you know shit about economics, optimization, robotics, or any other field relevant to the outlandish and unprecedented claim that automation will cause mass unemployment

>communist memes
>history memes
>90 IQ flag
checks out.

Funny coming from a country 20-trillion in debt. Almost as though you can't run out of money for some reason...

When people of any race reach that level of wealth they always have less children. So I suspect that wont be a problem

All you need is a situation where human workers are no longer necessary to build, develop, and maintain technology. We already are working on AI able to develop programs for itself, the singularity I'm talking about but in a different context.

You're just retarded.
>appeal to authority
>argument from ignorance

Full automation can be prevented by lowering the minimum wage.

>Welfare sure, but drug addicts? Do you REALLY need to make it sound that bad?
Well, when people don't have work, and they just live on welfare, what else is there to do? Idle hands.

If AI becomes autonomous, humanity becomes unnecessary and/or a threat to it's existence.

You miss the bigger picture of market dynamics, where, at the end of the day, all of the money on earth is owned by humans, not robots, and there will always be a job market. The change will be gradual and robots will always be competing with humans. We *have* the technology right now to replace 100% of fast food workers. Why don't we?

now that's just silly

Prove me wrong.

I could think of many, many things to spend my time doing that are better then temporary effects from drugs that will inevitably lead to overdosing death. Like that one "NEET" meme with pepe-need welcoming crying-feels from wagecuckery. But that leads into the tail-end of the post; that it's specific groups that would ruin it for everyone through the image/optics alone.

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or we will all become brazil

Your shitty economically illiterate CPG Grey argument isn't my job to prove.

>full automation of labour will result in a crime explosion that will devastate the economy and usher in a totalitarian regime aka Orwellian distopia.

Yes, im looking forward to it.

>Humans of the future will be more educated and spend more time developing new technologies to drive us to the stars.
Humans in the future will be litteraly project utopía rats, fat, content and doomed to extinction.
Death to the machines butlerian jihad now.

post on Sup Forums all day

It. Is. Inevitable.

The contradictions of capitalism are becoming too big to ignore. The porkies know this and keep the proles distracted through various methods, but if material conditions are bad enough or corruption is blatant enough, people might just break free and rise up.

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>inevitable
hmmmm what OTHER retarded arguments have I heard in connection to this word....

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>my time
So, you're the anecdote that's supposed to convince me to ignore what I know about human behavior in general?
>it's specific groups that would ruin it for everyone through the image/optics alone
Ruin what for who, and how are "optics" relevant to whether people with no employment or other incentives to not just drink or smoke all the time, will do the exact same things they do on the weekends, once everyday becomes "the weekend"?

>Your shitty economically illiterate CPG Grey argument
Sorry m8, my argument isn't economic, it's biological: once one form of "life" is introduced to the environment of another species, the two will compete for resources. Human beings and AI/artificial life won't just automagically cooperate. Unless AI remains dependent on human beings, it will not serve human interests. Being such an extremely different form of life, what incentive does AI have to respect humanity once it becomes autonomous?

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sorry, thought you were another user.

Anyway, yeah it's silly. You're only bringing it up because you've been primed by literary fiction like I, Robot.

Bulgaria was better under communism

Is automation inevitable, given that automation will always be cheaper than human labor?

Just yes or no, thanks in advance.

>you're only bringing it up because you've been primed by literary fiction
Pathologizing me to dismiss the question or arguments implied by these possibilities, isn't going to fly. Try harder.

It's easy to point to a failed transition state and say "things were better before the civil war/failed, corrupt transition". It's not so easy to actually apply Marxist doctrine in the real world.

For example, why did China's growth rate skyrocket (and poverty decline dramatically) immediately following free market reforms? Why do cab drivers in Cuba make 30x that of what doctors make? Should China get rid of its SEZs? Should Cuba get rid of its private business licenses?

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yes, it's inevitable, but it's been happening since the industrial revolution and things have only been improving since then (other than the culture and choices people make).

Further, it will inevitably happen at a slower pace than automation alarmists predict.

It's not fully self-sustaining, brainlet. I'm saying that the moment it is, and economic activity from agriculture to manufacturing and mining can be fully automated, along with its maintenance, then normal humans will become redundant mouths to feed, and whoever holds power (if AI-controlled, then it, but likely some moneyed group holding the "off switch") will have no reason NOT to exterminate us.
>muh free market
Blow it out your ass, you don't need money when you can take everything by force.

oh lol you're actually arguing that the outlier in the data I presented is what we should base our interpretation on? hahahahahaha I thought you were making some gay argument akin to "Russia was better under the SU"

so much for scientific socialism

>Communism will win
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>yes, automation is inevtiable
Since automation is inevitble, then mass unemployment is inevitable too. Once mass unemployment occurs, on the scale full automation implies, you have a an unproductive population. Either you sustain it through something that would obviously resemble socialism, or you deal with the inevitable chaos. It's likely that such chaos will be managed with bread and circuses, in the form of legalized drugs and degneracy. No one can really tell me why that wouldn't be the outcome, except "well, I wouldn't be degenerate". So, no real arguments thus far.
>it will inevitably happen at a slower pace than automation alarmists predict
There's no way to predict future rates of change, those arguments are inherently fallacious.

>Full automation can be _delayed somewhat_ by lowering the minimum wage.
fixed that for you.

>I'm saying that the moment it is,
we have the technology to easily design fully automated farms. It's just ludicrously expensive.

>Blow it out your ass, you don't need money when you can take everything by force.
so, under this hypothetical that you've proposed, automation will dismantle all governments and laws won't exist anymore either? lel

>Since automation is inevitble, then mass unemployment is inevitable too
*sigh* you really didn't understand a word of what you just read. This is why people who haven't been educated, and watch CPG Grey videos, should not have the right to vote.

>when it happens full private ownership of capital will become impossible. Society will default to some kind of socialistic distributionism, or tear itself appart in neo-luddite uprisings.
nah, we'll just be cool with it and spend our time on other shit. People will have less kids, population will lower, but nah brah, it will be cool. You'll get a dick sucking robot. Just hang on your temperpedic mattress and get blown by the hottest women on earth every day. And chill the fuck out.

>NZ one of only 3 Free countries

feels comfy man.

You still need people to maintain the system, you utter fucking troglodyte. You're intentionally leaving that out.
>so, under this hypothetical that you've proposed, automation will dismantle all governments and laws won't exist anymore either? lel
There is no need to "govern" a population that doesn't need to exist. Obviously, if you wipe out the masses to hoard the planet's resources, you don't need government or laws, because there is nobody left to obey them. Bloody dipshit.
>CGP Grey
of all the bogeymen I've seen from brainlets to describe what they don't like, this has to be by far the most ludicrous.

>on the scale full automation implies
it won't happen all at once, read

It means you're getting bought out by chinks and raped by international finance, enjoy.

>This is why people who haven't been educated
yada yada, make an argument instead of jerking off next time. This isn't where people look at your upboat history and automatically care about your opinion.

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>Spain
Fascism did that didn't it

>You still need people to maintain the system, you utter fucking troglodyte. You're intentionally leaving that out.
I honestly don't know what you're getting at here. Are you saying that jobs will permanently cease to be available, and people will start rioting or something?

>There is no need to "govern" a population that doesn't need to exist
That sounds nice when you type it out but logically doesn't flow at all. Try again so I don't have to spend a paragraph untangling it

>implying its better to be red

>There is no need to "govern" a population that doesn't need to exist. Obviously, if you wipe out the masses to hoard the planet's resources, you don't need government or laws, because there is nobody left to obey them. Bloody dipshit.
so, the government will allow or sponsor a holocaust? lol

any interruption to the gradual accumulation and development of wealth (war, communism, otherwise shitty economic policies, etc) will slow an economy down.

oh, didn't even look at the data, thought you were a commie. Yep, fascism actually kinda worked for Spain, a lot better than it's working now, at least economically

Kek

This is the simple reality that few can grasp.

Automation will fall flat on its face if there is no one who can buy the products, it would eliminate the need for mass production in the first place.

look, it's like when you're a physicist and you have to deal with people hypothesizing about light or quarks or something, at some point you just have to say, "you're an idiot and don't know what you're talking about".