I am a libertarian, prove me wrong. I think many of you would be too if you stopped drinking your koolaid

I am a libertarian, prove me wrong. I think many of you would be too if you stopped drinking your koolaid.

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Nothing to prove wrong friendo.

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I can't prove you're not a libertarian, you seem retarded enough to be one

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Prisoner to who?

>I am a libertarian, prove me wrong.
lmao wtf
cutie

Just bored as fuck and want to debate. Not larping.

>Prove me wrong
What? You haven't said anything. Why don't you prove that libertarianism can work with cucked open borders and shitskins who always vote against liberty and small government

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You know what libertarians stand for. Didn't need to explain. I am OK with open borders, but I don't like being a welfare state. Remove welfare and worthless fucks won't have a reason to come here.

>Propertarianism
>Open borders
How?

>Remove welfare and worthless fucks won't have a reason to come here.
How do you remove welfare when the country is being flooded with more and more people who will NEVER vote to cut off gibs?
Mass immigration has hijacked democracy. You no longer need to win ideas, just lure in enough shitskins, promise them handouts, and blame all their problems on whitey. Democracy is dead

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A libertarian society is only feasible in a state or area that is nearly 100% culturally and ethnically homogenous
Libertarianism happens after you separate the races.

/thread, lets pack it in boys. All you Randtards can go back to the private property cuck sheds, that is until we import people who will vote you out of them.

I do disagree with most libertarians on open borders immediatly. First, establish a secure nation, then let people come and go as they want.

Remove welfare from the central government and let the cities decide who to help. If your city is libtard, then you should leave it to a more conservative area that could say no.

I was libertarian until I realized . Libertarianism/AnCap society does not work unless you have those conditions. If you claim to be libertarian in 2018 you just haven't become racially aware enough.

>Remove welfare from the central government and let the cities decide who to help.
Doesn't answer my question. How could you possibly do this democratically when that would mean going against nonwhites and old people?

The laws that decide your fate should be decided by your community. If you don't like my views, you should be able to prevent me from passing laws against you if live hundreds of miles away from you.

If your community wants to say "no" to diversity you could.

You and your peers own the land. You decide who can come in. Not the government.

Hypothetical that doesn't deal with the reality as is. You aren't forming any community when you're dealing with a non homogeneous populace.

Nonwhite argument is bullshit. Elderly would get the help they need from government, but people would be more motivated to plan for their future if they knew the government would only provide minimal help.

Buy the land with your peers. You decide who is allowed in or out. The government would recognize your right to this.

Still aren't explaining how to do this democratically when even Republicans give out tons of welfare. Any reduction is seen as heartless and will never pass, the gibs must keep flowing

You do you, boo, but there's more to life than being a pothead who doesn't like to pay taxes.

What about the roads?

>The ultra rich make most of their money from capital investments and not from actual work
>They don't spend all of that money and reinvest it
>Wealth begins to consolidate and prices for land and houses increase
>More and more people are thus in a constant state of debt, unable to accumulate wealth themselves while a privileged few own all the wealth and property
>welcome to neo-feudalism

How do libertarians fix that issue? How do we encourage saving and inter-generational wealth while not fucking the lower classes with massive debt?
Libertarians correctly asses that the current monetary policy of cheap money fucks poor people because prices increase faster than wages, but they forget to deal with the lingering monopolization of all property.

Georgism is a great system that tries to fix that to a degree by further taxing the property owning class.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

I'm a national socialist myself, a certain level of homogeneity and and equality can massively benefit the life quality of all citizens, including the rich. There will be no more need for private neighborhoods and strict security for example, while reviving public life and interaction.
You fight Hedonist non-childbearing lifestyles, secure your borders and secure the existence of your people. (I know Hoppe made a similar argument that applies to the Libertarian worldview but I'm unsure as to how far he is a spokesperson for mainstream Libertarianism)
Libertarianism is unable to do that because as soon as living standards increase birth rates go down and immigration goes up.

Circumcision.

L.O.L. What "koolaid"? Being pro-white and for placing permanent reparations on anti-whites as punishment for their crime of pushing White Genocide is about the least establishment position any white individual can take, in this Politically Correct tyranny.

Yeah, you are right. People would have to vote for it. We will probably never win, but I still think libertarian is the way. I am debating my views, reality is we will slowly become more socialist, sadly.

Why shouldn't anti-whites be made to pay, permanently, White Genocide reparations, O.P.? Let's hear your argument, unless you're anti-white.

You're a newfag that doesn't understand the most extreme will survive and all else are vanquished

Pay for your neighborhood roads yourself. Business would pay for their roads. Interstate travel, pay a toll. If that fails, then fine, government can step in. We aren't AnCap.

Non white argument is bullshit ?

Are you retarded or you just don't know how to address this argument?

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Funny, I was a libertarian until I woke the fuck up and realized it was a pipe dream in a non-white society.

The Dewey Decimal system fucking sucks

As the rich buy up property, yours is worth more. If you bought a home in California 30 years ago you can sell it today and live well in another state. If there is a need for cheap housing, it will be built, bit with todays regulations it is hard to do cheap.

You can build your ethno community. No central governent would stop you. If you want to make a contract between property owners in your commumity that only whites could move there, you could.

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Where do you think you differ most from ancaps?

Pay for what? I did nothing wrong.

I want the government to keep us from killing, raping, and stealing from each other. Pretty much anrachist besides that.

Are you anti-white? This is about putting permanent reparations on anti-whites who have pushing White Genocide, user. See below quotes for evidence:

"We'll keep bashing the dead White males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as the White race is destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed." - Noel Ignatiev, Harvard Professor

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"Treason to the White race is Loyalty to Humanity." - Noel Ignatiev, Harvard Professor

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"The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the White race." - Noel Ignatiev, Harvard Professor

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"The goal of abolishing the White race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed White supremacists." - Noel Ignatiev, Harvard Professor

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"Abolish the White Race as a social group" - Derrick Bell, Professor

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"There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states." - General Wesley Clark

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"The White race is the cancer of human history." - Susan Sontag

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"Not to intermarry racially is bad for the survival of the country." - Nicholas Sarkozy, President of France

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"We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him," - Jose Angel Gutierrez, Chicano activist and university professor, from a speech reproduced on page 323 of "Occupied America," by Rodolfo Acuna.

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"We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet" - Kamau Kambon, former professor of African-American Studies.

And i want the government to enforce contracts between people.

>i realized niggers are bad so now I don't believe taxation is theft

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I respect the law. Yes, anti-whites should be held to the same standard as us. Under current law, I am with you. Under libertarian, they can build their black communities and we build our white communities and, even if they outnumber us, they couldn't do anything legally to stop us. But that shit goes both ways. They build their communities, the government would just keep us from killing each other.

I'm talking about taking away their money for their criminal actions of genocide against white people; you're not deterring them hard enough. This is something libertardians always get wrong, by the way.

Here's the law:

Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

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Article IV: Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.

if they could build their own communities we wouldn't see them in the state they're in today. I have a feeling that without the gibs they would become more violent, leading to a non-meme race war scenario, and being absolutely steamrolled by whiteys. Doesn't sound bad tbqh famalam. But as has been stated here, the gibs aren't going to be removed any time soon.

Yeah if someone is calling for genocide, then fuck him and punish him. I am dine with that.

You know, that you'd be kicked out of many of these so-called "libertarian" conferences and orgs. for saying something like that with respect to protecting white people from destruction. Not that you shouldn't be there, maybe you could even teach them something. If you really want to shake things up, then take a public stand for white people; goodness.

If they become more violent then, it is what it is. More money to them won't stop it.

That's flat-out wrong. There's no "welfare state" for Haitians in the Dominican Republic, Afghans in Pakistan or Iran, Somalis in Yemen, Sudanese in Egypt, Bangladeshis in India, etc. And yet, there they are! How'd that happen, with no welfare state?

Yeah, I call myself a True Libertarian. When I explain I'm not a modern pussy libertarian, most have a tough time arguing. I just love debating and am drunk as fuck, so I started the thread.

>I am a libertarian, prove me wrong. I think many of you would be too if you stopped drinking your koolaid.

you want us to prove that you're not libertarian?

Well, if they moved on their own with no governments help, then whatever. Humans have migrated due to necessity throughout history. If you don't want immigrants in your community, then get political. The Power is Yours!

Kek, sure. I was just copying the prove me wrong meme

What do you mean 100% ethnically and culturally homogenous
Poland, Ukraine are far more ethnically homogenous than new Zealand, new Zealand is only 74% white. And is also the most free country on Earth according to the freedom index

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Self selection. The same reason why people who like guns move to Texas.

Why resign yourself to that fate then? Why not at least fight it with your head held high?

Got any examples of this? Seems like non extremists are the ones who are surviving. Extremists have been blowing themselves up in recent history, not the moderates

Government monopoly on force makes the enforcement of contracts less burdensome

So let's talk about other UN definitions.
Do you subscribe to their definitions of racism being power plus privilege? Theres some other definitions from when Anita sarkesian was working with them you would find interesting if you want to keep citing UN definitions

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Not entirely relevant but New Zealand is just as cucked as the Jewnited Kingdom so you all know.

You have a lot more freedom. You can have someone cut your hair in your own home and give them 10$ without breaking the law or them going through school for 4 years.

Maybe, but we still have our fair share of libby teachers (infinite genders & shit), muzzies, muh reparashuns and sri lankans to the max.

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+ bonus gay and tranny degeneracy everywhere, it's inescapable

I speak my opinion to those that will listen. Would love to see Sup Forums go True Libertarian and change the party and make a difference.

Theres no perfect country on Earth. You got freedom. Part of freedom is people complaining. If you give people who want to cut off their dicks freedom they will cut off their dicks. Market place of ideas, if people see that citizens who choose to go to church and don't have sex before they are married are being rich and successful, they may choose adopt those values.But God gave us free will, because without it faith is meaningless, so let them stray from the path, they can do drugs or cheat on their BF/GF without getting throne into prison. Governments a monopoly on force. Force doesn't seem the best way to cure drug addicts. The civil society is.

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Libertarianism has worked really well in all the countries that currently use it.

There are... a lot.. I .. Mean... well. fuck... IT"S NOT A UTOPIANISM!!!!

You just acknowledged that the country will turn socialist if you keep parroting libertarian memes. There is no democratic solution

You are right. Libertarianism isn't about changing your mind. It is leave me alone and I will leave you alone.

>It is leave me alone and I will leave you alone.
Our enemies will never leave us alone. And yes they are enemies to both of us

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My point was the masses are retarded and fag. I spread my views, but know that most won't agree.

The NAP is a self-imposed strategic disadvantage.

Libertarians believe in government and a self-defense military, againt our enemies. The end game maybe AnCap, but we are not even close to that yet

What NAP? It is Mutually Assured Destruction. We don't want a miltary, but accept it is a necessary evil.