If Christianity stalled human advancement for 1500+ years then why didn't the rest of the world (Native Americans, Africans, Asians) catch up despite not being under its influence?
If Christianity stalled human advancement for 1500+ years then why didn't the rest of the world (Native Americans...
Jackson Gonzalez
Isaiah Gutierrez
>Christianity stalled human advancement for 1500+
When is this fuckery buzz sentence going to end?
The early universities, monasteries, scholars, educators... ALL were Christian/Catholic funded.
Samuel Wilson
Because Christianity didn't stall Europeans.
Alexander Ramirez
I'm an atheist and even I don't believe this shit
Christianity was instrumental to the preservation/pursuit of knowledge even if it's just another flavor of fanciful bullshit
As for the rest of the world, it was possibly a perfect storm of conflict, sharing of ideas, valuation of knowledge and not getting facefucked by Mongols that allowed Europe to excel where others did not.
Christopher King
It didn't stall human advancement. Your average faggot degenerate athiests idea of "advancement" is homosex and women being "liberated", (i.e getting railed by Jamal and standing up ti traditional gender roles). Same as liberals. And thats why many atheists, not all but most, are (((liberals))).
Chase Reed
werent white
end of really
Luis Parker
But to be fair, non-whites did have great civilizations. Indus River Valley, China which has maintained its civilization for 5000 years, Mesoamerica, Mesopotamia obviously, and Arabians. Europe use to be a shithole with the exception of Roman and Greek civilization
Zachary Young
This. The oldest universities in Europe, if not the world, were founded by Christians. People who assume progress stalled have never actually studied progress through history and assume that the rapid pace of progress in the last two centuries came out of nowhere. These kinds of people (typically Jews, no less) dont understand how things actually work or how they came about. They are the kind of people baffled by Velcro and shit.
Brandon Campbell
The average atheist is retarded enough to simultaneously believe that (a) Christianity kept Europe backwards and ignorant for 1500 years and also that (b) Europeans conquered the entire world because of Christianity.
Leo Morgan
Good grief. The mesoamerican cities were the size of a city block and they routinely practiced human sacrifice, including ripping the beating heart out of sacrificial victims.
Eli Jenkins
Do any of you even know where you are going when you die?
Joseph Hernandez
Most of the confusion stems from ignorance about how the Galileo affair went down.
Tyler Taylor
They were good at astronomy, had complex societies and empires and made nice pyramids and temples. They did all right.
Jose Reyes
it did not, not even serious atheist believe that, see and strangenotions.com
Christianity at its time was something of a benign turbo-SJW movement. Unbeliveably progressive for its day. Let me give you some example:
- No condemnation of slavery but statement that all humans are equal and exhortation to masters to treat their slaves as brothers
- Women while not leaders, where suddenly to be treated with respect and even love. A crazy notion particularly among the greek culture of that time which kept its women inside the house at all time, pregnant at 15, illiterate and on reduced rations (Spartans were an exception).
- Only 1 single God. And he "is" love, he sent his only begotten son to die for us humans. Compare that to the cruel, vicious and egotistic Gods that the Roman, Greeks and Babylonians had
- No divorce anymore unless there had been adultery. This was super-progressive as now husbands could not exchange their old wifes for a younger model every couple of years.
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Hunter Robinson
>why didn't the rest of the world (Native Americans, Africans, Asians) catch up
Because technology derives from necessity.
Charles Edwards
I forget to mention the Andeans (like the Inca) as well
Austin Murphy
Read the thread, that's not what OP saying.
As for the "christian monks" and universities, you also have to account for the fact they HAD to be christian, as all the other intellectual productions that weren't approved by the church were BANNED. The church had a near monopoly in literacy and the priests filled the role of the scientists, although everything had to be in accordance with the bible. This also explains why the church were the first to fund modern universities, because they were the only ones who had to discuss philosophy, theology, law (canon law) and so on. So they made it.
And the Greeks and Romans had academia, philosophical and mathematical schools and so on - their devellopments were quite big (to be against OP here), and even northern people with cults like the Scythian Philosophers, the Celtic Druids and Norse Skalds...
I would say rather that these devellopments in the last 1500 years were due to the european BLOOD "in spite" of christianity and it's, quite curbing, actions.
Joseph Rodriguez
>If Christianity stalled human advancement for 1500+ years then why didn't the rest of the world (Native Americans, Africans, Asians) catch up despite not being under its influence?
Moreover, why were the Christianized nations so much more advanced when they did meet?
Kayden Anderson
Because they were European. Christian Ethiopia wasn't really advanced compared to the arabs and so on...
Eli Morales
OP is shitting on the idea too, not sure what you got out of it.
James Powell
>asians
>catch up
>implying they weren't ahead of europe in every possible way that didn't involve having easily accessible coal and mineral deposits
Michael Roberts
ANOTHER
FAKE
CHRISTIAN
THREAD
RAID
THREAD!
Christians are fucking liars and they don't stop lying on here!
sage
Easton Brown
Also glass.
Angel Taylor
Because they were exploited like they should have been. Why help the weak if you can make use of them.
Besides that, what does Christianity have to do with some sand niggers - the whole point was to just brainwash them to becoming christians and "enriching" them aka prevent them from fucking about.
Andrew Turner
no, not everything had to be in accordance to the bible which is a huge problem.
Thanks to pagan influences which were allowed to seep in you now have the immortal soul, trinity, hellfire, maria being the mother of god...
None of that is found in the bible at all.
David Myers
en.m.wikipedia.org
East Asia was doing astoundingly better than Europe from 500-1500. The absolute crime is that Europe was doing just as well as them before that period, when the cream of White intellect wasn't being focused exclusively on making prettier cathedrals and figuring out the Bible's position on how many angels could fit on a pin (which was the function of the educational institutions in until the Degenerate Satanic Pagan Renaissance and its heretical non-Jewish bankers came along). The Africans didn't catch up because niggers, and the Native Americans were cut off from trade and had a shit selection of domesticable animals, which meant no strong civilizations, which also meant a smorgasbord of free land and resources when Renaissance Europe stumbled on them.
Jayden Carter
Well, according to church doctrine, who justified these things using the bible (book of Isaiah and so on). No point "judaizing" christianity, though...
Robert Rivera
no they never justified anything by the bible. Only through tradition and other such nonsense.
Only the apocrypha ever mention something resembling those doctrines and they are banned for not being in agreement with the rest of the bible.
In fact Isaiah and Jeremiah are excellent refutations against the idea of hellfire in particular. In those books God chastises Israel for sacrificing their children (by burning them alive) to pagan Gods.
So if he does not like 2 minutes of suffering, he certainly wont order an eternity of it.
Furthermore the church viciously persecuted anymone who tried to translate the bible because they knew that all their lies would be exposed should the people read it.
Justin Turner
Christian Ethiopia was very advanced compared to its African counterparts however.
Carson Morgan
To virgin birth they point to Isaiah and others, trinity is their own interpretation of the bible, hellfire from Revelations and so on... It was the measurement they used, even if they *interpreted* it.
If you need an exact text telling you X (which is a problem with judaizing protestants) then you have a big problem, because even Jesus spoke in parables, for "only those with eyes to see it". It's all a matter of interpretation, and it was so important to them that they persecuted whole groups of christians and started entire "religious wars" over it, like the Thirty Years War which killed almost half of the german population and divides the country to this day, something which proved the early christian opponents like Celsus, who predicted it, if Christianitiy ever took power...
And the Ethiopians were half-arab semite speakers... And they were more advanced than the rest of Africa even before being christians... Guess that says something about "blood" instead of "denomination"...
Colton Thomas
Ethiopians were more advanced than most of the world 1000 years ago.
Justin Gomez
>average faggot degenerate athiests
These are just your deluded flock that wandered off because you guys royally shit the bed. They're ruining atheism because they're not atheists, they're just horrible zealots who can't control themselves without a god breathing down their neck 24/7.
Take them back, they know nothing and never will. Compliant livestock must be controlled by moral systems or they will be controlled by immoral systems.
Also fix your fucking religion goddamn, fucking disgraceful.
Luke King
No they were not. There just was a smaller gap between. They were not that different from their arab relatives...
Charles Mitchell
no one doubts the virgin birth, this was not my post. Its about Maria being the mother of God and free of sin, this came through the trinity saying that God and Jesus are the same person.
The bible is quite clear on what christians should and should not believe. There is simply no discussions about some points like hellfire (Revelations lake of fire is symbolical as "in it ... death was thrown" thus is simply stands for total destruction, not for torments). Hellfire would require an immortal soul (1st violation) and that death does not cover up all sins (2nd violation). Basically to shove in this pagan nonsense they break half of the bible.
If you want a god that says A then turns around and says B you should look towards islam.
Luke King
More like you leftypol cocksuckers raiding this board for the past week with "hurr Jesus was a jew"!
Ian Hall
Respect the Virgin Mary, though.
Christian Lopez
>Platonician generalized mysticism is paganism
Brainlet detected
Ryder Fisher
Nordics were trashing the North Sea coast and British Isles, while monks risked their lives to smuggle books to safety.
If you look at what science is based on, it has unmistakable Christian roots. Christians believe in absolute truth, which gave rise to the use of hypothesis and falsifiablity through peer-reviewing. Science appeals to a mechanistic universe, which is under control of invisible laws which coexist with and cause biblical law to be in effect. The goal of science is to understand God through the understanding of natural laws.
In addition, it doesn't help that Christian philosophers like Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine are regularly overlooked in mainstream philosophy and education, preferring Greeks and thinkers from the enlightenment period.
Austin Barnes
FUCKING KOREANS THEY RUINED THE WORLD
Caleb Morgan
WE WUZ KHANS N SHEEIT
Zachary Price
Well, yes the nordics would destroy the religious texts of a hostile group looking to erradicate and replace their own religion. You can't forget, though, that the christians destroyed many libraries, of the estimated 18.000 in the ancient classical world, and closed philosophical schools, while banning all books who contradicted church dogma as "heretical" or keeping them enclosed and restricted in their own files, only circulating those who had some use for the church (like Aristoteles and such). The "platonic academy" had to flee to Sassanid Persia, for a reason, where it later re-emerged under the arabs, giving rise to the myth of the "muslim golden age".
Science and the modern scientific method has indeed christian roots, because, again, they *had* to be started in monasteries and other monopolized church circles, who had the means, time, resources and authorization to do so (but sometimes even against the church will and dogmas, like Copernicus, Gallileo and others). Even artwork was burned if it was deemed too unfiting for christianity ("Bonfire of the vanities"). But again, there were massive discoveries and huge knowledge from ancient times, the Greeks knew the measurements of the earth, had advanced mathemathics, philosophy. not to mention ancient civilizations and so on.
As for the christian philosophers, they are not overlooked in christian circles and education, that's because the majority of their works concerns christian beliefs, their contributions elsewhere aren't that great as other pre-christian and secular. Things are not so "black and white", as for the things you like, christianity, being the reason for everything but now persecuted, and the things you dislike being all wrong and irrelevant in comparrison (although do excuse me if you're not saying this). "Church historiography" does deturp the past too and is not much better than the "Liberal" one...
Brody Robinson
>Sythians
They weren’t even literate
>Skalds
Poets, barely wrote anything at all
Dylan Scott
>Well, yes the nordics would destroy the religious texts of a hostile group looking to erradicate and replace their own religion.
The Viking raids on Christian monasteries predated all Christian missionary efforts to Scandinavia. Germanic tribesmen has been attacking their southern neighbors with extreme brutality far before any evangelizing
>burnt down the library
Everybody did it. The first time the Library of Alexandria was burnt down pagans did it. Muslims did it later as well.
Tyler Howard
en.wikipedia.org
The druids had extensive knowledge, but rejected writing systems so not to corrupt their teachings and memory. Writing =/= Knowledge, per se. The oral culture of the Skalds were rich in meaning and allegorical symbolism, as the Vikings were even proven to have known the curvature of the earth, while planning their attacks... There are many reports, by the greeks even, of the profound wisdom and philosophical teachings (as the greeks themselves described) in these "barbarous nations". Some barbarians even went to Athens to discuss philosophy and their traditions, for instance. So did the jews later...
Samuel Gray
No they didn't, there was missionary activity in Scandinavia even in the 7th century, the Viking Age was triggered by the conquest and violent imposition of christian on the Saxons, the biggest germanic tribe in Europe. Germanic tribesmen have been attacking their southern neighbors for years, and they were also attacked and attempted to be made into a province by the Romans, and later Franks... All peoples did this.
>The first time the Library of Alexandria was burnt down pagans did it. Muslims did it later as well.
But that was just the library of Alexandria, who was already very damaged before. Many were destroyed of natural causes, but also some deliberately by the christians, and there were plenty of libraries across ancient rome...
Caleb Hernandez
>>implying they weren't ahead of europe in every possible way that didn't involve having easily accessible coal and mineral deposits
asians? when you talk about asians you mean china right, because all rest of eastern asia was irrelevant and stone age tier. and china? maybe slightly ahead of roman empire, not much. later ahead of europe but since 15 century its domination of europe in every aspect. everything around you was invented by europeans, your every day life would be impossible without european inventions, computers, electricity, engines, planes, everything you look at.
Samuel Butler
>East Asia was doing astoundingly better than Europe from 500-1500. The absolute crime is that Europe was doing just as well as them before that period,
yea but maybe 500-1500 there were constant wars between europeans and invasions by muslims and with plagues it wont help you get ahead.
John Perry
"We further hear now that the philosophical sciences are greatly cultivated in the land of Rome and along the adjacent northern shore of the country of the European Christians.
They are said to be studied there again and to be taught in numerous classes. Existing systematic expositions of them are said to be comprehensive, the people who know them numerous, and the students of them very many. God knows better what exists there."
Ibn Khaldun 1377
Daniel Hernandez
Because christianity halted the progress of the greeks, the enlightenment was a movement of rebellion against organized christianity in a way. There are more factors to make a civilisation prosper than by just having/not having said religion.
Julian Rogers
China and India were very advanced before Europeans raped then.
Parker Gonzalez
If Christianity was what caused the advancement of Europeans, then why haven't Latinos, west Africans and other third world Christian groups become advanced yet?
Bentley Murphy
lel
they raped themselves.
Before the brits tipped them over, every european power bowed to the Emperor for silk and porcelaine.
Unfortunately they had quite a few really stupid people on the throne and a century later not much was left of their might or glory.
Eli Jackson
Wtf are you talking about lmao