> Base Cabba as strong as Base Vegeta as he was in the Champa arc > When Cabba asks his former captain Renso to join the ToP, Renso suggests Caulifla is a better choice > Cabba, recognizing Caulifla's name, looked disturbed at the mention of Caulifla's name...suggesting that she is stronger than him
Why are the U6 Saiyans so strong?
It could probably be easily explained with Universe 6 having a higher "mortal level" than Universe 7, and that they chose the strongest U6 Saiyans of their Universe...
But I think it's something else (or at least this might be related): > It was explained that U6 Saiyans evolved differently than U7 Saiyans > This is likely due to the fact that they go around space protecting the peace > When protecting other races, they may fall for them and create half-breed offsprings (with compatible races) > Eventually these offsprings stopped growing tails (like Goten and Trunks) > Due to mixing, tailed Saiyans would disappear > According to Daizenshuu 4, the "tailess generation" are super prodigies.
All he said was hold his own. This could be anywhere from lasting a minute or two to equal.
Charles Murphy
Ep 116: SYMPTOMS RETURNS! GRAND ERUPTION OF ULTRA INSTINCT!! > Despite turning into Super Saiyan Blue, Goku is pushed back by Kefla! The moment he is cornered, Ultra Instinct finally kicks in? > Jiren This Week: paying close attention to the powered-up Goku! Goku succeeds in turning the tables via Ultra Instinct! The mightiest warrior Jiren, who defeated Goku in their previous fight, shows interest in the powered-up Goku’s battle.
Ep 117: GRAND BATTLE OF LOVE! ANDROIDS VS UNIVERSE 2!! > Ribrianne and others of universe 2 rush in to attack Goku, who activated Ultra Instinct and run out of energy as a result. It looked like Goku would be taken out of the attacks of Ribrianne and her teammates, but then Android 17 and 18 come into help!
Ep 118: TRAGEDY CLOSES IN ON THE VANISHING UNIVERSE…!
Ep 119: A NEW SACRIFICE FROM UNIVERSE 7! UNIVERSE 4 GETS SERIOUS!
Are Android 17 and 18 going to fuse to help Goku? Beerus did tease it (Android 35) last episode...
Also who do you think will be "the new sacrifice" from Universe 7?
I'm thinking maybe Piccolo
Nathaniel Richardson
turn off your brain, they will be as strong as the plot wants them to be.
Evan Hill
>Also who do you think will be "the new sacrifice" from Universe 7? I'd say 18 with her gimp leg
William Nguyen
You mean like Goten and Trunks?
Or did you mean like Freeza post-RoF?
Oh, surely you meant Piccolo fusing with Nail or Namek Saga Goku's zenkai?
Fuck I mean Super Perfect Cell without A-18 getting IT out of nowhere.
Lucas Hughes
Reminder Videl and Mei are the user shotacons of the series.
Cooper Hall
Heisei Era Strongest Heroes 20. Kamen Rider Den-O (Kamen Rider Den-O) 19. Jotaro Kujo (JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure) 18. Inuyasha (Inuyasha) 17. Son Gohan (Dragon Ball) 16. Kirito (Sword Art Online) 15. Himura Kenshin (Rurouni Kenshin) 14. Roronoa Zoro (One Piece) 13. Naruto Uzumaki (Naruto) 12. Lupin III (Lupin III) 11. Levi Ackerman (Attack on Titan) 10. Sakata Gintoki (Gintama) 9. Shinnosuke Nohara (Crayon Shin-chan) 8. Kamen Rider Ex-Aid (Kamen Rider Ex-Aid) 7. Saitama (One Punch Man) 6. Koro Sensei (Assassination Classroom) 5. Conan Edogawa (Case Closed) 4. Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) 3. Anpanman (Soreike! Anpanman) 2. Doraemon (Doraemon) 1. Son Goku (Dragon Ball)
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Gohan being ranked below Kirito, thats like the lowest point Gohan has reached.
Evan Peterson
Can this meme stop? It's not funny.
Carter Johnson
If there's one thing I will never ever get over even with DBZ/DBS writing is how the fuck Freiza managed to because God tier with 4 months of training.
Camden Nelson
yes exactly, thats how dragon ball is user.
Jeremiah Bennett
Why did 17 get a god-tier boost while training with space poachers, while 18 didn't get shit (apparently) from training with the strongest human in the world?
IT'S NOT FAIR ANONS
Henry Taylor
He's a mutant
Still a better explanation that SS Bargain Sale
Adam King
>base Cabba as strong as Base Vegeta
Wrong, Vegeta was lying.
How could someone that's fighting in a Defense force, be as strong as a hardened warrior that's been training with an angel?
Stop this stupid misinterpretation right now
James Peterson
>UNIVERSE 4 GETS SERIOUS! So Damon might appear now?
Daniel Martinez
>Still a better explanation that SS Bargain Sale No it's really not. Vegeta and Goku having children post-Super Saiyan was a valid explanation.
Lincoln Hughes
How many times has Jijii drawn that same pose?
Jason Lopez
>tfw parents force you to dress as their shitty manchildren cartoons
Adam Moore
>Vegeta was lying. Nice headcanon
> How could someone that's fighting in a Defense force, be as strong as a hardened warrior Why do you assume Cabba isn't a hardened warrior?
Just because you don't know your backstory doesn't mean it wasn't earned.
Also fighting in a Defense Force in a Universe with a higher mortal level than Universe 7 is probably good training.
Camden Hill
JUST
Nathaniel Jenkins
>freeza went from weaker than SSJ1 to rivaling the Gods themselves in four months
Imagine if he did a couple of pushups before he first went to Earth, Trunks wouldn't have stood a chance
Ryder Lee
>Vegeta and Goku having children post-Super Saiyan was a valid explanation. You know that's a fan theory, right?
A theory made up to explain bad writing. But it's gone to the point where people actually believe this is fact now?
Oliver Cruz
It's true thou. Mei is like 57 and she is in a relationship with Trunks and he is 12. She is a shotacon.
Videl too.
Jackson Roberts
Higher mortal level does not equal stronger fighters, we even know that they don't face powerful threats because Frost fucking sets them up, and again, it doesn't explains how someone that's training with an angel can be equal to some dude like that
You can see that Vegeta was holding back because Cabba's last punch doesn't even hurts Vegeta, and Cabba hits him right in the fucking face
Julian Ward
Different angle but same pose
Aaron Price
Toriyama confirmed it in an interview.
Jose Diaz
Has this doujin been released yet?
Dominic Ward
>tfw unironically using "manchildren" in a sentence begone
Ryder Smith
And people complain about Toyotaro being a tracer
Luis Morales
>that Goku and Black being LITERALLY traced Holy hell.
Jaxon Taylor
>because Frost fucking sets them up, and again
Only the ones that: 1- he can deal with 2- he can benefit from them
Also there's too much evil in the Universe, and Frost can't just set up everything himself.
Liam Stewart
Because she only trained shortly before tournaments with him.
Jacob Russell
>Why are the U6 Saiyans so strong? They didn't get their civilization destroyed twice over.
Landon Smith
No he didn't
He confirmed tail-less Saiyans can go SS easier. Not SS sperm being a thing.
Thomas Stewart
Both are.
Michael Stewart
Any actual threat in U6 was dealt by Frost you fucking retard, other unimportant shit like thieves and shit is too weak for them to have THIS much experience.
It's bullshit
Cooper Jackson
Yeah he did.
Levi Martinez
To be fair, he's tracing himself right?
Connor Fisher
toyotaro used to trace for his doujin but he hasn't traced DBS.
Justin Collins
Because Vegeta trained his SS form, didn't you see the Cell arc where we had 4 grades of the same SS?
Aiden Lopez
Toyotaro made a doujin?
Isaiah Sanchez
He was always incredibly powerful and didnt work for it at all. Freiza applying himself in that sense would yield greater results. Also he's a mutant. The fact that Frieza had to regress to suppress his power and was still light years ahead of everyone else without training speaks volumes on how strong that guy really is.
Michael Hill
DBAF
Benjamin Sanchez
Yes, that's how he started out.
Daniel Murphy
That doesn't change the multiplier, and Vegeta wasn't using any of those grades besides Rage boost gives even more power so Vegeta was clearly holding back
Bentley Bell
>The Sadala Defense Force only dealt with unimportant shit like thieves and shit
Again, nice headcanon
The Universe is too vast for one sly guy to stage EVERY single villain/war
Levi Bell
Prove it
Owen Lewis
No
Christopher Smith
But that's why he is fucking known across the universe, because he fucking protects it, did you even see the U6 tournament arc? also you're the one assuming that really strong enemies that are somehow strong enough to defeat Frost (in his third form, he barely uses his fourth because of this)
> non-invincible > beaten and bruised > trying their hardest but not winning > requires teamwork from someone stronger (Kale)
This is the not what a "Mary Sue" looks like.
> but she achieved SS so easily!
She already had a high base stat. Renso (former Captain of the Sadala Defense Force) suggested that Cabba pick her over himself. She's already considered one of the strongest Saiyans in U6.
Do you people forget that: > Vegeta's SS transformation was filler > Future Trunks achieving SS through Gohan's death was a Toei creation? He had SS as a kid already in the manga > Goten and Trunks achieved SS as toddlers. They don't even remember activating it when they were 7-8 years old...meaning it happened WAY before.
> it's not about having a high base stat! Then what is it based on? Simply learning how to achieve SS? Then every weak Saiyan from Planet Vegeta and Sadala could've achieved SS.
Every Saiyan from Planet Vegeta had every reason to be angry enough to become SS due to being enslaved by Freeza.
Goten and Trunks learned it easily not only because they are Saiyan-hybrids (so is Gohan), but because they are part of the "tail-less generation". Guess who also doesn't have tails? The U6 Saiyans.
> but muh tingles! Just a meme way of saying to "focus your energy". This was suggested by Cabba, and later confirmed by Goku that focusing your ki was an alternate way of achieving SS.
In martial arts, there are three Dan Tian/Tanden (energy centers) that ki goes through. The middle one, where the tingly feeling is on a Saiyan, is specifically the EMOTIONAL CENTER of ki flow. Super Saiyan is a transformation related to very intense emotions (such as rage).
Dominic Cooper
Considering that goku's kids gets stronger according to how strong he was when he sired them, in the hypotetical scenario he had a third kid, the child would become super blue even before starting going to school.
Thomas Jackson
ded meme
Justin Gutierrez
Whatever you say buddy
Nathan Gutierrez
He "protects" planets, so he's famous.
Does he stage every single one in the entire Universe? Not probable.
Julian Stewart
Too bad Goten doesnt train hard, he would be stronger than Gohan by that logic.
Ryan James
Yes...because they are tail-less.
Not because Goku was SS when he nutted inside Chi-chi
Lincoln Kelly
>Not probable Nice headcanon. There is no way you can claim to know how large or small U6 is, or how many inhabitable planets there are.
Mason Smith
goten is still very young, it would be retarded if he was already stronger than Gohan, even tho Gohan is a slacker.
Ryan Morris
Doesnt U7 only have like 8 planets with life on it, U6 probably isnt far off that
Brandon Roberts
It's a fucking Universe
And funny that you claim I'm using headcanon, while defending your own headcanon
Sebastian Green
she might not be a mary sue, but tingling to ssj and ssj2 still makes her a shit character
that is inarguable
Elijah Young
She is barely stronger than Cabba now.
Luke James
sure, but at least Cabba had a legitimate, lore-consistent reason for transforming each of the 2 times that he has
can't say the same for Cauli, unfortunately
Matthew Fisher
Isn't the whole "Frost being a hero" an anime-only thing?
In the manga he isn't evil, but he's also just some guy who's a dick...not a false hero that stages wars iirc.
Kayden Baker
>your headcanon retard, i made one other post in this thread and it was to call someone a retard. i’m not even the guy you were talking to. >it’s a fucking universe u7 is a universe and it only has 27 inhabitable planets.
Logan Howard
Is SS Bargain sale worse than controlling energy centers that are actually a thing in martial arts?
Joseph Sanchez
>Why are the U6 Saiyans so strong? They had a chance to naturally evolve and as far as we know they didnt have to take over a planet. If these saiyjins follow the rules as we know them, as long as they are constantly fighting they will get stronger. Cabba is pretty seasoned considering his job and Caulifila i'm assuming had to do a lot of fighting to get to her position and become recognized as one of the greatest fighters on their planet. Kale doesnt make sense to me why she would be strong without going into more detail about their history.
Angel Harris
first for Chadhan
Sebastian Gomez
Also forced as fuck.
Nolan Brooks
Cabba will come to u6 to live and train with Vegeta.
Caulifla and Kale will never show up ever again after ToP.
Luke Perez
>can't say the same for Cauli And same for Vegeta(manga), Future Trunks(manga), Gohan (SS1, manga) or Goten and Trunks either.
It's almost like it was never consistent.
Really it's just Goku for SS1 and Gohan for SS2.
Even SS2 Gohan was BS. Why did he get so mad from a robot dying who he barely knew? It should've been Piccolo or Goku.
Xavier Moore
T H I C C
Mason Richardson
Who's top and who's bottom
Kayden Turner
>Even SS2 Gohan was BS. 16 speech and demise was the last STRAW. He had all that emotion and rage building up for a long time but he needed the final push.
Evan Wood
Retard, retard, retard. >kale doesn’t make sense you want to know why she’s so strong? because plot. that’s fucking why. hell, that’s why jiren is so strong too. and goku, and beerus, and whis.
Blake Howard
I would want to see this.
Ayden Smith
>i’m not even the guy you were talking to. So you butted in to defend someone else's headcanon? Not much better.
> u7 is a universe and it only has 27 inhabitable planets. U7 had the Saiyans, and Freeza, and Buu (from ancient times). The Universe got wrecked multiple times across the ages.
U6 has a Saiyan Police Force which protects planets, a not as efficient Freeza who got caught, and that's it as far as we know.
Adam Mitchell
Playing devil's advocate for a sec. Goten at his current age is stronger than Gohan when he was the same age. So thats why i flirted with the idea, but Goten doesnt show any signs of the special potential which is writing related i'm sure.
Jackson Walker
>Cabba Who?
Christopher Brooks
I can even argue about that statement, how old is Goten now?
Jordan Stewart
chadhan has nothing on freeza
Hunter Martinez
Kale would rape Broly.
Jaxson Hall
Yes yes, but is there anything wrong is questioning it? No.
Jeremiah Morgan
literally?
Isaiah Young
It's time to wake up.
Grayson Martinez
...
Julian Gutierrez
...
Landon Ramirez
13
Jackson Bennett
THIS is it, freeza true final form! with thid he will beat all the angels and el daishinkan
Josiah Gonzalez
Broly could decimate Caulifla, but Kale is one thing.
John Lewis
Goten is 13 now and he hasn't shown anything of notice ( plot is not focused on him so he suffers)
Gohan at 9 was capable of SS2.
William Moore
It's another "u6 saiyans living rent free in Sup Forums's head" episode.
Jordan Rodriguez
That's hot,
Levi Price
In every way possible.
Alexander Walker
kale would decimate his boipucci.
Alexander Robinson
Would Broly be Kale's sub?
Jaxon Perry
>leave zenos to me
Bentley Wood
He was born in 767 so its 779 now? 12? But even then that doesnt seem right