Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual" (if that is even possible for /po/)
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio George Lincoln Rockwell Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile Julius Evola
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism Legionarism
Sorry, why is this capitalist white nationalist +J00 h473r always included in that list? He did say specifically that he isn't a fascist on Canadian television.
American fascists should steer clear from race identitarianism. It's not workable.
I'm British. I just found that flag online but I agree that that one is better
Hunter Reyes
You don't have to, I'm just wondering why he's always included on there.
Nicholas Evans
Ah ok, I have a few people around here and we're always looking for more to discuss our views with.
Dylan Smith
bump
Isaac Stewart
I made this flag, it's not great. I do somewhat like this one though. I agree it perhaps has too much of a Maori style. What are you thoughts on the solution for a Fascist state in NZ? The idea seems like a fantasy to me because of the depraved state our country is in..
What is the best way forward for fascism in the 21st Century? I think the best way forward is through think tanks, policy institutes and organisations that bring together like-minded people (usually of an intellectual or educated sort) that can become the basis for a viable political movement that can field candidates in future elections. I also thinking TIMING is CRUCIAL, because shit is going to hit the fan one way or another in the coming decades, and people latched onto fascism as a reaction to communism and in a time of total economic destitution and social discomfort.
I think if we espoused fascist ideals in a certain way, the public would be open to those ideas and likely supportive of it. We wouldn't even necessarily have to call it fascism primarily, I'd use the term 'integralist' for sugar-coating.
Im not sure, from what I can gather after watching a lot (not all) of his videos, he just grew up in a rough place, was around many stereotypical skinheads etc.
But tits all just from bits and pieces of his videos. Maybe I should ask him in the comments section.
Fantasy at the moment. Discussion among us right now, is how to do we act when the time comes? Solidifying positions, ideas and learning are key when our numbers are so low.
For now, knowledge, slow growth and secrecy is important. Look at the semi chaos in the USA, traditionally NZ trails behind the US. If I had to guess, NZ will be hit harder and harder by our enemies and as our enemies become more open we can start making moves.
I hope dearly it happens in my life time, but that is an ideal, not a realistic outlook. Where in NZ are you based?
Sebastian Kelly
I think it would be more aesthetically pleasing if it resembled an ensign.
Jaxson Harris
I try to watch some of his videos daily. I hadn't heard about his past so that's surprising to me. I think he is definitely quite knowledgeable and has a wide range of content on his channel. His video on the National Socialist economy is fantastic. >I highly advise beginning with the Corneliu Zelea Codreanu video That's a very good one also. I haven't read For My Legionaries yet but that was definitely a good overview of his life. You should watch his one on Jose Antontio Primo de Rivera if you haven't already
Matthew Cooper
I have a pdf of for my legionaries, I have read bits of it. I cant wait to read more.
The economy video was the last one I watched. Pretty spot on.
As to his past, I think it would be important to ask him, without the risk of revealing too much of his personal information.
Thanks for that, added to the list of content to watch.
Michael Foster
Grand idea
Samuel Harris
We need to separate from Britain though. Keep the colours as it is our identity but we are a new culture. For better or worse.
Removal of the union jack and ties to the monarchy is ideal. We are a new movement, not held down by any old ways. From a marketing view, we need to be a new position, a fresh one.
John Brooks
>Look at the semi chaos in the USA, traditionally NZ trails behind the US Agreed, we a heading further and further towards their situation with the fallacious divide and conquer 2 party system. As we saw from the last election our smaller parties are being shunned and people will eventually have only two options. Obviously (((democracy))) is a lie. I think the best thing for like minded individual's to do at the moment is to focus on self improvement and strive to better their own character first. The people of a movement are the thing that holds it together and when those people are not of the best quality then they easily fall apart. You must be willing to sacrifice everything for the revitalisation of nation. I'm based in Hawkes Bay at the moment but I'm heading overseas for a few months soon
Set up a throwaway email and put it up here, we can contact that way. I have a lot of literature and you can join our email based discussions (although they often relate to our real life discussions you may find benefit, and we may find benefit too).
If not I understand.
As for your post, it is spot on. We have all been raised in an ill system, and it has produced ill results. Reversing the results to form our new selves is the best thing we can do. This involves learning, physical activity and so on. Our democracies will continue to fail as the bloated and inefficient mess continues to blunder forth, hungry for profit and votes. This cannot continue, if it does we deserve the fate that lays ahead.
Zachary Hall
>Britain most sceptical
We really are anti-immigrant to the core.
Oliver Cook
>Types of Fascism >National-Socialism Though it incorporates ideas and parts of fascism I thought it was independent from fascism. Mind explaining, im all ears.
not really - you eat pies and fish and chips. Those are "Kiwi foods"
Michael Sullivan
No, we keep our history, we keep our family names, we keep our similar moralities and cultures. But we cannot be held back by holding dear the identity of your people as relevant. The practicalities of the situation are simple, we cannot continue on unless we can recreate ourselves. New flags, symbols and ideals must be carved out of the mess we are in.
Not only does this matter psychologically, it also matters in a marketing sense. We cannot be seen as a party for the old, but a party for the new. This means our appearance and message should take on a new look.
Logan Perez
I am trying to convince a family member and close friend that fascism is a good path for them as well. Can someone provide some good infographs and ammunition if you don’t mind. Also add talkingpoints that I may have missed that I can tell them about
Sole Cultural differences of note are the lack o a class system and a couple of strange expressions - and the fact that New Zealanders are actually (for the most part) Tolerant not just quintuple standarded
Evan Myers
Is there any actual American fascist movement with actual platforms that meld fascism with American culture/ideals? (Aka not Nazi larpers or Richard spencer types). Historical or present.
The idea of a fascist American republic interests me but I have no clue if any group has created any specifics, like Mosley did for Britian.
Julian Diaz
Vis. you can buy them anywhere in Britain.
Levi Rivera
I Would say a better way to look at it is that fascism is a pillar of national socialism. It’s a characteristic on its own but without it national socialism would have the governmental foundation, the racial foundation is just another pillar. And when together, make up the national socialist structure
Lucas Harris
This is absurd. When you get your way you'll find out you have next to nothing and your left-wing politicians will hail it as an example that your country has finally become a nation of immigrants.
Christian Cooper
I think you're right for the most part, in terms of gaining actual support and power, this is what's most important. Anglostate is just a fantasy like the ethnostate is for the Alt Right, in that its something to aim for that's far off.
Kek
Aiden Ortiz
Give me 200k a year to quit my job and yeah I'll lead it. Otherwise, I have to work. Nigger.
Dominic Lewis
If you want activism and to get connected with your local Natsocs and Fashy try emailing national socialist legion
Christopher Bennett
Hm ok sounds about right.
Juan Powell
New Zealand will never attain any sort of cultural independence.
Asher Parker
The American Blackshirts Party have some good ideas. They're notorious for disavowing other fascists who talk about race or the JQ, so they're pretty limp-dicked but they put out some good information. youtube.com/watch?v=o2fS4CvnIPQ
There isn't really a historical platform to build American fascism on other than the Silvershirts, who were exactly what you said, Nazi larpers.
American fascism is a new concept for yourselves to create! I would recommend CT's ideas of an 'Americana' populist form of American integralism, something that captures the sentiments of both Sanders and Trump, that is race realist but not racialist, and pretty decentralised (as far as fascism goes).
Jaxson James
Probably not but I'm for anything that works in getting a fascistic government to power in NZ, that's what's important.
Carson Cox
It'll do the oppose of "work" though. By removing all traces of Anglo-Saxon identity in New Zealand anyone can be a Kiwi, the country will be handed over to others.
It is far from absurd, you do not know how indifferent our population is to the monarchy for example. You cannot expect, hundreds of years of separation and all that it entails for us to hold many things dear to your group in a far away land to be dear to us over here.
We will always be similar, but we will have our own flare. It is only natural and as long as our history is remembered Zealandia will become her own culture.
Your history has cultural change, just as ours will. Ours must go it's own path. Especially at a superficial level.
I dont think you realize how powerful of a tool this can be when forging a movement. A movement of restoration will fail, a movement of rebirth can succeed. We must have rebirth in mind.
Ultimately, future generations of New Zealand have to choose, but to say it is absurd is as silly as expecting a child to remain a mirror of yourself throughout his life.
William Perry
Yeah they're pretty fucking useless.
Matthew Jackson
Don't tell us what to do
Thomas Ortiz
Has anyone read "selected writing: Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera"?
Eli Murphy
Try going up against a multiracial police force, multiracial army, multiracial government and multiracial population with your white nationalism then, fag. Give us another 50 years of failure.
Hudson Wood
I expect this sort of sentiment comes from a non-British descended person. We won't always be similar. New Zealand may very well achieve cultural independence, but it won't be the native Anglo-Saxons who attain it. This is a terrible decision for a country with a couple uneventful centuries of history.
Luis Miller
Lack of history is identity death
Brandon Russell
I know the boat my family came here on mate. Accept that I know my people better than you will, and while I cant say NZ 100% agrees with me, the sentiment is truly there.
Cameron Torres
Nobody but you guys are talking about loss of history.
Luke Thompson
Any updated one for 2017/2018?
Josiah Lewis
That's fine, try thinking you can convince non-whites to adopt fascism and work with white people lol.
Owen Davis
Primo de Riveraalso said that he wasn't a fascist, or a political opportunist
Jonathan Carter
you will always be Anglos even if you aren't British Anglos
Christian Cruz
think of how aimless America is
Leo Young
Rejection of the monarchy and the union jack and rejection of British heritage will result in the exact same thing. It's a symbolic rejection that the immigrant population will embrace. It's effectively the same as a child throwing out pictures of his parents.
Adam Perez
Neither did Salgado, but there is a clear distinction between a republican white nationalist and an anti-capitalist corporatist against liberal democracy.
There were instances where Rivera did state his advocacy of actual fascism though.
You can, with what Trump did: populism. You don't think non-whites can understand fascist principles? Honour, integrity, community, destiny? American blacks have been bastardised of their identity, it's totally warped and fake. They're a traumatised people whether you want to admit it or not; they were removed from their home continent, given foreign names, told to worship foreign gods, and forced to live under direct foreign rule for a couple centuries and now they're all resentful and nihilistic, and their situation is being exploited by the internationalists such as in the media and entertainment who glorify Niggerism. Zulus understand principles congruent with fascism, if all American peoples could unite under the banner, accept that they're different, learn their ACTUAL past, things could be infinitely smoother.
The settlers in america have very specific reasons for going there. The type of people who built America are surprisingly different to the make up of British people. It's a very important distinction to those who came here. American culture is far more puritan for a reason. Add to this a war for independence and no need of British support and it is clear why the USA is the way it is.
NZ has a different history all together. We dont need to separate ourselves culturally, we never have. But we also dont need to remain shackled to the British culture to be successful.
Am I saying forget? No, am I saying removal it all? No. But we don't need the Union Jack, The monarchy and so on.
But the nature of New Zealands founding and history we can not end up the same as the USA.
Oliver Butler
Fascism is inherently national rather than international. Mosley's fascism differs from Mussolini's because it is a British expression of fascism.
Chase Cook
Removing some of it results in removing all of it. You cannot pick and choose which parts of your country's heritage you conserve.
Jonathan Stewart
Embracing multiracialism is death, even if the odds are against you it is something that must be fought with every weapon you have. Negroes and Mestizos are inferior violent subhumans who will never be fully civilized and attempting to build a Fascist state with them as a part of the nation is like trying to build a house out rotten wood, it will not stand.
Levi Hall
/fsg/ and /nsg/ are some of the best things on this board right now. Very informative. Never let these threads die
Yes Trump tried his civic nationalism approach and got 90% white crowds. Though I guess it can't hurt to try it since it will be mostly white people trying to embrace it anyways. Anyways we have the American Blackshirts Party trying the Civic fascism approach so we will see how it works out. Can I ask what percentage of Britain is white?
Jason Hughes
Working on some book lists (adaptations of the one you see here) + translations of French stuff, I'll need some stuff from any of you guys :
-quick rundown like a list of interesting official fashy or solid trad cath movements in Germany, Austria (especially these 2), Italy, England, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium
-basic knowledge of the good, solid, traditional thomist thinkers that wrote in English and German, + post-1945 fascists/revisionists also
-people that could be willing to translate stuff (short, at first) from French to German or from English to German especially. A tiny bit of philosophical literacy would be a plus
It's basically about reading, translating and spreading a very strong political doctrine.
I don't see any problem with a new Anglo Kingdom in the South
William Allen
High 80s if you include non-Brits, 79% if you only include Brits. Census done in 2011, so probably different now.
Hunter Long
(btw it's traditional Catholicism + fascism + national-socialism + thomism and some elements of hegelianism)
Brayden Collins
America must remain a white majority and a European-descended culture, and non-whites have understood this before and can understand it again. I don't doubt that race matters, of course it does, as does the demographics. However it is core to fascism that EVERYONE of any race can embrace that personal revolution and that rebirth within themselves to become part of something greater, and I'm more interested in espousing a populist form of fascism for America in order to secure power, because that's what is important: everything must be geared towards the seizure of power. Whatever happens after that, whether you wanna deport a shit load of people or redraw borders or whatever is irrelevant at this moment.
We're more ethnically homogeneous than Sup Forums makes out, it's only places like London and inner Birmingham and Manchester and other major cities that are highly condensed with non-whites. You have the internet, I don't know why you're asking me for stats like that though.
