Why shouldn't everyone have access to adequate and affordable healthcare?

Why shouldn't everyone have access to adequate and affordable healthcare?

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They should, just not possible given human nature. Welcome to reality, communism is trash

because how are you going to serve your corporate overlords when you're in the hospital?

SAGE. Because this world would be a better place with less of you people around.

Why should I pay for John who refuses to take care of himself, smokes packs of cigs a day and 10 cheeseburgers?

Because you made this country into a multicultural shithole so no one cares enough about each other to support such a proposal

If you leakin, call amberlamps and they comin.

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Why should a huge portion of the world live in abject poverty while a tiny portion of privileged westerners lives totally free of any sort of struggle or desperation? Why does anyone get to live at all, when there are so many living creatures denied life simply because they are never born?

This is a dangerous line of reasoning to follow. Nobody is entitled to anything, there are simply haves and have-nots. The world is unimaginably cruel, to the extent where I doubt you can fully comprehend just how bad things can be for a living creature.

why shouldn't everyone have adequate and affordable sage posts?

What are you going to do to stop niggers and pieces of shits from abusing the system?

embarrassing schizo meme

Because not everyone deserves it? Capitalism is simply the fastest and most efficient way of finding who deserves what. Also sage and don't reply to this garbage

They should

But we can discuss that after you go on a helicopter ride with me.

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You got every opportunity to make it here in the States, yet you still suck. Trying to bring everyone else down with you makes you looking like a fucking faggot.

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taxpayers shouldn't pay for niggers shooting themselves, people eating tide pods or stacy's 15th abort

Please define the following:
>"access"
>"adequate"
>"affordable"
>"Healthcare"

Please also explain why authoritarian mandate via government central planning is the ONLY method to accomplish your stated goal. (I don't object to the desired result, merely your chosen method.)

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because when your family member gets religion of peace'd they won't make your entire bloodline go bankrupt in the hospital

for a board who claims to hate jews pol sure loves defending the system that's made them more powerful than they've ever been in the world's history

>i got dollar, i want burger now, not sharing!! reeee
>get sick, die

universal healthcare is a concept too advanced for brainwashed americans

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when your country is full of niggers (IT'S HAPPENING), guess what, Joachim, you won't want to play for them to stuff their faces with fried meat, do crack, and then demand heroic medical care

>government puts high taxes to fund welfare
>small businesses can't afford them and go out of business
>big politically connected businesses lobby the government to pay less taxes
>now large corporations pay less taxes and don't have competition from small businesses

Great way to tackle inequality leftards..

Aww sweety. Booty blasted snookums.

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They should. You don't need communism for that though, just socialism. But socialism only works if you have strong nationalism. Unfortunately greedy libtards and retarded ethnonationalists ruin everything

Fuck off commie prick, I prefer not to starve, unlike communism.

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This

geez idk we need sociliamism

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why should i have to pay for every fat fuck and smoker clogging up the health system with their constant problems?

>Why shouldn't everyone have access to adequate and affordable healthcare?

so you're saying....

Why shouldn't doctors, nurses, and all medical personnel work for free and/or against their will?

No

It's hilarious when /lefty/pol retards act like communism is some secret mis-represented ideology by the western propaganda machine

you don't even learn anything about marxism or communism in high school, but you'll spend 3-6 months learning about the holocaust.

Then in college they literally push marxism in many of your classes.

You are not entitled to another persons hard work.

>communism is the only government that can provide adequate and affordable healthcare

Because I don't want to pay for your AIDS treatment, you bugchasing faggot.

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>wahhhh why should I~ wahhh

You guys sound like a bunch of whiny teenagers.

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And you are whining people about whining fuck off.

Actually capitalism IS perfect and any apparent imperfections are due to central banking (which is a departure from capitalism).

This is how marxists yhink.

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>capitalism isn't perfect
If you say this you are a cuck
Provided you live in a ethnically and culturally homogeneous society free markets are literally perfect

"think"

i don't mind socialism at all as long as a country is mostly homogenous, but it's not right to force the weight of minorities onto a majority population in the way some people insist.
you'd be advocating to take more from the hard worker so you can give it to danquasha and her 10 kids?
how is that productive in anyway?
who do you think will handle money better, a hard working member of society or someone that went out of their way to pop out almost a dozen kids and drains the country to an absurd degree?

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lmao besides the initial thread, I haven't said anything.

Capitalism is the best thing we have in such an inherently fucked up society. We have such obviously unequal people, like Blacks and Whites, living together. Blacks can't build or maintain any sort of functioning society, and Whites are expected to uplift their communities and subsidize their very existence. Also, Americans have almost no sense of duty to nation, community or themselves. They eat fatty, sugary foods until they're morbidly obese and diabetic, they smoke until they have lung and heart disease, they do drugs, they lead sedentary lives, they have unprotected sex with multiple partners, and they generally throw their health away. How can we have adequate and affordable healthcare for all with such fat, bloated ticks consuming all our healthcare resources? We can't. Not without death panels.

>if you don't believe what I believe you are a "______"

It's like you guys never outgrew your playground phase lol

Because forcing people to buy into something they don't necessarily use is fascism.

I would know.

Everyone disagreeing with OP is retarded. Single payer healthcare in the US would save the taxpayers something like $17 trillion over a 10 year period. I'm certainly not opposed to the free market, but no purpose in having a profit incentive for healthcare. The bottom line gets more padded the more often they reject care/make you pay more

it would be better if some people perished

You sound as retarded as r9k when they talk about Chad and Stacy. You're having a hissy fit over some made up boogie man with a stereotypically black name.

>wants free markets
>applauds trump when he puts tariffs

trumptards in a nutshell

Why should anyone turn a profit? One man's profit is another man's harm.

>Hi guys, I'm communist. I want free stuff for people, why is this bad?
>proceeds to promote pedophilia and children mutilating their own genitals for "liberation"

KYS

do you have any argument against what i said besides saying it's not real, when there's endless proof how whites in the US essentially subsidize programs for minorities, specifically blacks?

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Profit should be a motivation for people to innovate. There's no innovations being made when an insurance company decides whether someone is gonna be able to pay for medicine/procedures and live another day

>Why shouldn't everyone have access to adequate and affordable healthcare?

You don't need communism for that.

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I don't support tariffs tho...
I want markets as laissez-faire as possible, but it can only be achieved in what would likely be considered an ethnostate

you dont need Trump supporters to achieve that. All Democrats unite and go to school to be doctors...every kind... then work for free or have Hillary, Warren Buffet and Bezos give you alimony.

Only retards believe in the porky meme, just like only retards frame such a ridiculous question. The real question is why should I have to pay for the healthcare of scum like you

Because you're an idiot. When I'm at the pharmacy and the white man in front of me with paint stains on his carpenter pants has to decide which medicine to get and not to get because he can't afford the $8,000 bill, then something is wrong with the system.

"access" = affordability
You're basically asking why medical care is expensive. The short answer is insurance-you know, the thing king nigger made mandatory.

I'll bite at this
I think nobody wants a truly free market because that would include the sale of shit like child sex slaves, dirty bombs, etc. Sure, wanting some protectionist policies to curb the massive trade deficit that the US has with other countries isn't pure free market capitalism, but I'm sure proponents wouldn't want any economic system other than capitalism

so you actually don't have anything of merit to say, and just want to keep being retarded, congrats.
if you weren't a brainlet you would've understood that my posts weren't defending our current system at all. just pointing out how absurd the challenges to implement socialist-like policies would be.

ACA has flaws, but the nordic model and even Canada is more decent. But people run in terror at the idea of "socialized" anything.

The price of health insurance has always been increasing, it actually decreased under Obama when obamacare was implemented. Not sure how that's changed since republicans broke the bill

Let me clarify: the rate at which health care increased is what decreased, not the prices of healthcare itself

I said the same thing you did, just changed the race, gender, and occupation.

And you had nothing to say in response. Maybe if we had affordable healthcare you could afford to see a social worker to help with your mental retardation.

why would she make a cowbell out of wood instead of just ordering a real cowbell?

I'd be fine with socialized healthcare if I lived in a small country with primarily white people to be honest, but I'd rather have free market health care because I enjoy paying for what I use and only what I use except for public services

ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

All whites should. But only whites.

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Except that's not the case in the US. Hospitals still treat people who are uninsured and don't/can't pay. Then those same hospitals make deals with the health care insurance companies, and you end up paying for their healthcare anyways. Might as well just cut out the middle man of the healthcare company, have everyone actually pay into the system, and have everyone covered

> adequate
> affordable

Pick one.

Note: "Free" health care deprives you of the "adequate" option.

because I don't want to pay for niggers to breed.

canada also has a population of 15 million you fucking negative IQ retard.
did you know that as recently as 2016, the US's number of unemployed people was 50% of canada's population?
neck yourself if you think you can keep arguing in favor of something without actually knowing how to get it done.

Why should they?

The CIA is full of commies, they are /yourguys/.

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>"Free" health care deprives you of the "adequate" option

Except for the fact that the US pays the most for healthcare of all modern nations, and still sees the worst results in their healthcare system. Meanwhile we're the only ones with a private healthcare system

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BTW you doing it anyway. Army, emergency services, more likely public infrastructure maintenance are payed from taxes. Dollar more - dollar less.
Why should you pay for John who refuses throw his litter in a bin instead of floor in public places?
Why should you pay for John who got robbed?
Why should you pay for John who provoking another country to attack you?
BECAUSE IT IS FUCKING SOCIETY AND EVERYBODY RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH OTHER, YOU FUCKING LEAFY SCHMUCK

Exactly. The private healthcare system is the "adequate, but not affordable" option. Everyone else gets the "affordable, but there are cockroaches floating in the autoclave" option.

no fag, you didn't.
you painted a scenario unrelated to what my argument was.
if you weren't drooling over your keyboard you could've connected the dots and found out that maybe if the hard working white man didn't have to subsidize so much shit he'd be able to afford a proper insurance plan.
but please, do go on how a guy not being able to afford his medication is the same as someone leeching off the system, the same system you want to enable even more.

>Duuu-herrr Canida has fewr peepul hUR-DUR
... And?

>Unemployment rates
As of November 2017, the unemployment rate in Canada was 6.3%, while at the same time in the US unemployment was at 4.1%. So that means in the US, we'd have MORE people paying into the system, AND a bigger portion of our population paying in.
Your own points disprove your position, way to be an ineffectual ape

Well over the decades technology, innovation and market trade offs reduce costs. But this only happens in a free market.
Healthcare can only have two of three traits, affordability, accessibility or universality. You basically must pick two or one, but not all three. Just how it is. Over time, with innovations and better technology, the free market reduces costs by making medical procedures less labour intensive and makes medical supplies easier to access via private industry.

However when you either say "let's insure everyone" or "healthcare is a right" you end up with a similar problem. Everyone must have access to healthcare so the result is that there either is a racket to jack prices up in the long term via premiums (insurance) or a bureaucracy that becomes less and less effective over time while becoming more costly. The insurance racket and the Medicaid/Medicare insanity in the US provides an example of two bad systems, as both mitigating the costs to third parties (be it insurance or the state) simply means the provider can jack up costs because they now can. Remove either of these and the provider must curtail to what the people will pay for the services.

So to answer your question, you can have affordable and adequate healthcare, but it's through the free market.

>implying Amerishart politicians don't regularly proclaim
>"I used to be a communists, but then I grew up"
>as a way of infantilizing the left, and reaffirming neoliberalism as "adult politics"

Niggers go to the ER when they stub their toes or catch a cold. That is why nationalized healthcare is impossible.

I don't think you read my post/article correctly. The US is the only one with a private healthcare system, pays the most (least affordable), and has the lowest ranked healthcare (least adequate). On the other hand, single payer healthcare is more affordable and more adequate

>the hard working white man
PSHHHHH.
Not that user but there are just as many lazy fucking useless pieces of shit whites as there are blacks.
Trust me, I grew up in a meth addled trailer park. White people can be just as shitty as blacks.

Lowest ranked according to whom?

Hugo Chavez might rank Cuba's system a bit lower, if he hadn't been killed by an infection.

>and?
this is all you needed to out yourself as a retard.
of course it matters, are you fucking brain damaged?
the US has more people paying in, but more people out of it completely, holy fuck how is someone this retarded?
do you not understand how proportion works?
the US population is 300 million you fucking middle school dropout, Canada's unemployed don't make as much of a difference as the US's unemployed because their population is drastically smaller, and therefore you have way less factors to deal with. seek a mcdonald's application, holy fuck.

see
I had a link to an article at the end of the post. If you don't like that study, I'm pretty sure the WHO did a similar study and found basically the same results

Nice damage control, commie CIA shill.

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kek

Lmao I don't think you get what you're saying, might want to lay of the corn syrup bud. Maybe get a pencil and paper out to help you comprehend some big numbers?

>small group therefore it must cost less
So lets say I have a service where everyone ideally pays in and takes out, but not everyone can always pay. If it's a group of 3 people, and 1 can't pay, I'd be worse off than if its a group of 10 people and 2 can't pay. Even though more people don't pay into the second group, there's a larger portion of the group paying in. It's the same thing with unemployment rates between US and Canada. Sure Canada has fewer people, but their unemployment rate is over 2 points above that of the US

To add to my point, as of 2016 the average American wage was ~$59k vs Canada's average wage in 2017 of $51k. So in the US we would have a higher % of people, who make more paying into the healthcare system.

That explanation sufficient or would you prefer some pictures and smaller words?

Because cancer and all diaease are caused by mold and if you juat eat healthy and eat more plants/raw garlic drinks, you wont ever need a doctor. Medical industry is a jewish scam.

sage
Why should they have access to affordable healthcare? What if I told you, that all blacks could starve to death and it isn't my concern? That they can continue giving eachother aids and dying on mass - which makes me care less as they have no agency to make decisions for themselves?

Being unhealthy = Terrorism

Nice

do you even know how many canadians are unemployed compared to how many are working?

now compare that to the US.
i'll try to make this as simple as i can for your neanderthal brain.

1.the US has more people to cover, with more individual factors to deal with
2. has more people with varying health conditions to take into account
and
3. more varied types of healthcare required than canada

in other words.

US= more people, more factors, more $$$ needed, more people unemployed, more problems to take into consideration

Canada= less people, less factors, less $$$ but a smaller population to handle that money with, and a better unemployed to employed ratio + you know, the whole not having millions of undocumented people that you would have no real way of making sure they're paying in.

When dealing with huge sample sizes (populations of countries), the prevalence of the kinds of conditions you're talking about should be relatively constant.
Also literally provided the most recent unemployment numbers, you're wrong

>Why shouldn't everyone have access to adequate and affordable healthcare?
Because not everyone in the country is human, let alone legal

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so wait, you mean to tell me communism hasn't killed millions of people. I'm such a fool.

There is no reason anyone should be blocked from accessing adequate and affordable healthcare. Just as there is no reason for anyone to steal the product of my labor to pay for other people's healthcare.