Ita/pol/ general - Now with REAL Immigration Data!

Same OP of the last thread here - Updated Immigration data edition: White pop of Italy at 96%

Economy – improving:
> GPD growth at 1.5% - not much, but better than past years.
> Unemployment in decline: 10.8 % (December 2017) . Too high, but in constant decline (-0.2% last month only)
> Salaries on the rise: 0.7% in 2017, up to 1% this year - slowly rising all across the board
> STEM salaries up 3.5% in 2017
> Public Debt is being repaid – November 2017 saw a reduction of 14,7 billions (from the previous month)
> Debt/GDP at 132% in 2016, down at 131,5% in 2017. Remember it was under 100% in 2007 – we can re-do it.

Immigration - migrants in decline:
> 34% decline in number of illegal immigrants to Italy as of January 2018
> Foreigners are DECLINING in total number – 50k more chose to emigrate as of December 2017
> Tot. Legally-resident foreigners: 5,047,028 – Estimates of Refugees + Illegals, - 480.000 +/- (Data of 2017)
> White (EUROPEANS) Foreigners in Italy: 52,4% of Legal residents, Estimated 30% of Illegals/Refugees
> Totale White Foreigners in Italy: 2,664,642 + 144,000 (referring to previous data)
> Tot White population of Italy: 55.551.000 Italians (as of January 2018) + White Foreigners = 58,359,642
> Estimated percentage of Whites in Italy: 96,001%
> Estimated Percentage of Non-Whites in Italy: 3,999%
> Estimated Non-white pop of Italy: 60,507,590 (census of 30th June 2017): 2,420,000
> More than 60% of asylum requests are now denied - +15% in 2 years

Military - great resurgence:
> Military budget increased once more (from 19 billions/2000, 25 billions/2018):
> 11th nation for military expenditure
> 390.000 Military Personnel (including the Carabinieri)
> 3rd aircraft carrier in construction (Cavour)
> Italy has problems with recruiting new people for the army...there are TOO MANY volunteers.

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Other urls found in this thread:

it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dati_macroeconomici_italiani
ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/2018-03-01/istat-2017-pil-cresce-all-15percento-2017-top-2010-scendono-pressione-fiscale-e-deficitpil-110345.shtml?uuid=AEvtkE9D
infodata.ilsole24ore.com/2017/12/31/andato-2017-pil-debito-deficit-confronto-internazionale/
istat.it/it/archivio/210086
willistowerswatson.com/it-IT/press/2017/07/Nel-2017-l-aumento-delle-retribuzioni-reali-in-Italia
istat.it/it/archivio/208633
linkiesta.it/it/article/2017/03/01/sorpresa-aumentano-gli-stipendi-e-a-festeggiare-sono-operai-e-impiegat/33402/
analisidifesa.it/2017/10/migranti-illegali-in-calo-questanno-del-25/
corriere.it/cronache/17_novembre_25/sempre-piu-immigrati-ora-lasciano-l-italia-primo-calo-stranieri-istat-2418a5a0-d159-11e7-a924-c9d9ad888b7b.shtml
redattoresociale.it/Notiziario/Articolo/547119/Rifugiati-in-calo-le-richieste-d-asilo-Il-60-per-cento-ottiene-un-diniego
euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/italy-applauds-libyas-decision-to-keep-ngo-ships-far-away-from-its-coasts/
euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/italy-inks-deal-with-libya-neighbours-to-stem-migrant-flow/
adnkronos.com/aki-en/security/2017/08/11/ngo-signs-italy-rules-for-mediterranean-migrant-rescues_wYyjE0ozuaQSi5bJZStCrL.html
zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-02/european-migrant-crisis-escalates-italy-impounds-german-ngo-refugee-ship
diritto24.ilsole24ore.com/art/guidaAlDiritto/dirittoCivile/2018-02-06/non-va-riconosciuto-asilo-all-immigrato-che-racconta-abusi-subiti-viaggio-183337.php
welforum.it/quanti-gli-stranieri-italia/
lenius.it/migranti-2017/
ilgiornale.it/news/mondo/aumenta-spesa-militare-italiana-25-miliardi-euro-nel-2018-1489747.html
globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=italy
analisidifesa.it/2017/07/al-via-la-costruzione-della-nuova-lhd-della-marina-militare/
cortedicassazione.it/corte-di-cassazione/
lastampa.it/2017/06/22/italia/i-tuoi-diritti/famiglia-e-successioni/cassazione-la-sentenza-grilli-venga-applicata-dufficio-a-tutti-i-casi-di-divorzio-8uvT7JWRhv3ILxAKt3AMnK/pagina.html
it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separazione_dei_beni
britishexpats.com/forum/italy-77/italian-marriage-law-633099/
italy.forumotion.com/t160-separazione-dei-beni
studiocataldi.it/guide_legali/affidamento_dei_figli/affidamento-condiviso.asp
kmlegalnet.com/child-custody-in-italy-and-the-law/
tg24.sky.it/speciali/elezioni/italia/index.html
it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord#Risultati_elettorali
termometropolitico.it/1294932_elezioni-2018-fornero-m5s-lega.html
focus-economics.com/sites/default/files/Italy-Inflation-February2017_0.gif
tradingeconomics.com/italy/government-debt-to-gdp
iom.int/sites/default/files/press_release/pictures/pbn-med-030918.jpg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Italian_Census
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

Family law - Feminist laws getting revoked one after the other:
> Abolished Alimony (January 2018)
> Fault divorce law confirmed and reinforced (December 2017 – January 2018)
> Father rights to their children reinforced
> Custody laws under heavy revision (February – March 2018)
> You won't lose your stuff in divorce - legal doctrine of Divisione dei Beni ("to each his/her own") is law
> Alimony is gone the way of the dodo - child support is under heavy revision as we speak

Government:
> Left and center-left BTFO in the last election – the left is dead for all purposes.
> Lega, /ourguys/ have seen huge growth in votes
> Euroscepticism on the rise in Italy with both the Lega and M5S being eurosceptic
> Three scenarios – Center-right coalition government with Meloni; Center-right + M5S; New Elections.
> Possibility of new elections soon – prepare yourselves people!
> Possible alliance between M5Scucks and Lega – Soros shills are better than declared cuck-leftards.
> Italy

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Sources:
Economy:
Gdp, Debt and Unemployment:
it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dati_macroeconomici_italiani
ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/2018-03-01/istat-2017-pil-cresce-all-15percento-2017-top-2010-scendono-pressione-fiscale-e-deficitpil-110345.shtml?uuid=AEvtkE9D
infodata.ilsole24ore.com/2017/12/31/andato-2017-pil-debito-deficit-confronto-internazionale/
istat.it/it/archivio/210086
Salaries:
willistowerswatson.com/it-IT/press/2017/07/Nel-2017-l-aumento-delle-retribuzioni-reali-in-Italia
istat.it/it/archivio/208633
linkiesta.it/it/article/2017/03/01/sorpresa-aumentano-gli-stipendi-e-a-festeggiare-sono-operai-e-impiegat/33402/


Immigration:
analisidifesa.it/2017/10/migranti-illegali-in-calo-questanno-del-25/
corriere.it/cronache/17_novembre_25/sempre-piu-immigrati-ora-lasciano-l-italia-primo-calo-stranieri-istat-2418a5a0-d159-11e7-a924-c9d9ad888b7b.shtml
redattoresociale.it/Notiziario/Articolo/547119/Rifugiati-in-calo-le-richieste-d-asilo-Il-60-per-cento-ottiene-un-diniego
euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/italy-applauds-libyas-decision-to-keep-ngo-ships-far-away-from-its-coasts/
euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/italy-inks-deal-with-libya-neighbours-to-stem-migrant-flow/
adnkronos.com/aki-en/security/2017/08/11/ngo-signs-italy-rules-for-mediterranean-migrant-rescues_wYyjE0ozuaQSi5bJZStCrL.html
zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-02/european-migrant-crisis-escalates-italy-impounds-german-ngo-refugee-ship
diritto24.ilsole24ore.com/art/guidaAlDiritto/dirittoCivile/2018-02-06/non-va-riconosciuto-asilo-all-immigrato-che-racconta-abusi-subiti-viaggio-183337.php
welforum.it/quanti-gli-stranieri-italia/
lenius.it/migranti-2017/

Military:
ilgiornale.it/news/mondo/aumenta-spesa-militare-italiana-25-miliardi-euro-nel-2018-1489747.html
globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=italy
analisidifesa.it/2017/07/al-via-la-costruzione-della-nuova-lhd-della-marina-militare/


Alimony:
Website of the Supreme Court - cortedicassazione.it/corte-di-cassazione/
See "Sentenza Grilli -11504", reinforcing "Sentenza 4793" from Corte d'Appello di Milano
They tried to sneakily re-introduce alimony and got BTFO: "Sentenza Cassazione 15481"
lastampa.it/2017/06/22/italia/i-tuoi-diritti/famiglia-e-successioni/cassazione-la-sentenza-grilli-venga-applicata-dufficio-a-tutti-i-casi-di-divorzio-8uvT7JWRhv3ILxAKt3AMnK/pagina.html
Separazione dei Beni: it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separazione_dei_beni
Quick explanations for foreigners: britishexpats.com/forum/italy-77/italian-marriage-law-633099/ and italy.forumotion.com/t160-separazione-dei-beni
Essence? You keep your stuff (that you got before getting married, or earned during said marriage), she keeps hers.
Father right to their children:
Shared custody - studiocataldi.it/guide_legali/affidamento_dei_figli/affidamento-condiviso.asp and kmlegalnet.com/child-custody-in-italy-and-the-law/
Synthesis: Do not be a drunkard and you WILL get to see your kids, with a good chance of getting sole custody.
NOTE: This is being discussed in these last weeks in the Supreme Court. Await news – be hopeful!


Politics:
Results: tg24.sky.it/speciali/elezioni/italia/index.html
Lega Nord: it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord#Risultati_elettorali
Passed from 4.3% (2013) to 17.6% (2018).
termometropolitico.it/1294932_elezioni-2018-fornero-m5s-lega.html

True to Caesar!

WHEN?

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Hopefully soon. Thought with the previous general and this to lift other westerners spirits. /pol is full of shills and slide threads - yet Italy is moving in the right direction.

THERE IS HOPE BROTHERS!

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But what about Burrito Mussolini?

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He'll be the mascotte of the new regime. We invite all italians living abroad to come home and contribute to our country rebirth.

Now the real question - will the new gov be formed, or will we go to vote once more?

No problem, he'll vote for you

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Too late for itabros to be online I guess, too early for ameribros.

RIP

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Rest In Pieces?

This time, Rome WILL conquer Persia!

Rip in pepperoni

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Sorry to say but without mass deportations, Italy is still finished. You have entire villages and towns of africans and millions of boatniggers are coming over in the next few years.

As for your immigration figures, well if you believe those you are stupid.

Best thing is to deport the africans to germany, they have said they will take and support them. Godspeed pastabros.

top fucking kek

> Estimated percentage of Whites in Italy: 96,001%
> Estimated Percentage of Non-Whites in Italy: 3,999%
>Estimated Non-white pop of Italy: 60,507,590 (census of 30th June 2017): 2,420,000
> More than 60% of asylum requests are now denied - +15% in 2 years

Asian but I want to congratulate you guys. Those numbers bring tears of happiness to these slanty eyes.

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>White pop of Italy at 96%

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I agree that even 4% is too many, but come on dude - we are in far better shape than the other Western Countries.

Can I move there and be the token ultra-super-mega-right wing, anti-immigration minority politician? Like Finland's Black Hitler but yellow.

goodbye england

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Il Dulce

avanti, patria ancestrale

asians are white suprematis?

Apparently. You will have a place in the new Pan-white ethnostate, whan.

I don't wish I were white, mostly, but I'm horrified beyond belief by what (((the enemy))) is doing, and at the prospect of the entire world being turned brown.

true honorary aryan

Which kind of yellow are you?
Nip, gook, or chink?

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I haven't been following. Small recap Itabros?

What do you guys think of immigrants from other European countries (especially eastern like poland/romania/bulgaria/etc)

Would they get the banhammer?

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I've resurrected the Italy general with all the sources I listed - the previous one lacked calculations about the percentage of migrants and whites.

Ergo I remade the thread with extra calculations and more sources.

Italy's white pop stands at a comfy 96%.

Before starting to argue what to do with our fellow whites immigrants, let's think about the non-white problem...4% might be, but they are 4% too many.

it's ok but we hate albanians and gypsies

Mediterraneans in Southern Europe; snow niggers can take jamal's cock north of the Rhine.

I meant politically.

comfort breeds decadence, don't be so easy.

Uhhhh, think... I'm one of the remnants of an ancient Empire's army. That'll lead you in the right direction.

Center-right coalition won the elections but the centrist party (M5S-cucks) is the overall biggest party. List of possibilities on what will happen in the OP.

I wholly agree with you ameribro, but come on admit it - this is a welcome reprieve from constant bad news for whites. in our corner of the internet

È così avanti: keynesiani coi migranti, cercacoperturisti con gli Italiani, spending review per lo stato, spending depppiù se è privato, deflazionisti per il salario a meno che non sia per il gender divario.

however all things achieved by the last leftist government...

4% of not white is too high

>M5S
>overall biggest party
Holly shit. The amount of changes in the political landscape all over the western world is amazing.
I wonder why elites are not more worried.

This.
And the stats in OP are what we should call "underachieving".

TOTALLY agree with you, but still much better than america or other countries.

PS: foreigners birth ratios in steep decline - gonna change the OP with said info/sources next thread.

I'm just telling you to be strict with your women.

More importantly: how is it on the streets, regarding politics? Is the "rise of a new Italian fascist movement" the usual kvelching or is there truth to it? If so, how much? Give me hope my pasta friends.

The best possible thing now is the complete marginalization of Berlusconi.
One year goverment m5s-lega, doing ultra populist things, in order to destroy the last consensus to pro-establishment forces, like migrants rempatriation or cut the political expenses. After they should make a new majoritarian electoral law

The rise of neofascist movements' sympathizers is perfectly normal, it's just a symptom of the bigger trend towards the "conventional" right, still nothing worth of media coverage.

Damn this thread is a hell of a morale boost. Thanks for posting

The return of S.P.Q.R, Hellas and the Roman religion when?

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Fascist movements are marginalized as usual, there is a deep hate towards the establishment, the left and the EU but canalized by populist parties (M5S - pirate party/direct democracy and Lega - far right party)

That was the true purpose of posting these (real) numbers.

People are fed up with immigrants, with taxes and EU in general. Hence the rise of populist movements/parties (M5S, Lega). What will come of it? No idea.

This.

Soon, user, soon.

So, think we will go to vote once more?

>The rise of neofascist movements' sympathizers is perfectly normal
It certainly is. I don't understand whether the people pushing this "us vs. them" divisive dialogue understand this is the natural consequence of their actions and actually WANT the oncoming conflict (and why would they buy a fight they can't win?) or if they're so oblivious of human nature that they can't even fathom what's happening.

So (((their))) fear of the rising far right is a bit exaggerated (as always), even though there actually is a shift in the Overton window? What's the best likely/possible scenario right now?

RIP far left parties

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I daresay yes, after a short-term "governo di scopo" M5S-Lega, who'll hopefully converge on a couple reforms and the new electoral law.
This is one of the truly best scenarios tho, we all know the Italian butts are constantly exposed to a good surprise-dicking

They have taken over ideologically socialist parties and cuckservatives anyway.

In Italy we have the true fascists and the far right.
The far right is stronger like never before but the real fascists are weak like usual

I'm so happy Soros flushed his money down the toilet by investing on Bonino, and that disgusting, filthy creature Vendola is getting buttfucked in Canada.

However Partito Comunista is not like +Europa (aka +Soros). They are more like Casa Pound but red, good guys but too orthodox

Best case scenario? These trends detailed in the OP continue.

Aka migrants keep moving abroad and we get whiter and whiter, while the growth keeps increasing - note that we give FAR LESS welfare than other western nations, hence why they go away.

>Partito Comunista
>good guys
What did he meant by this?

>It certainly is. I don't understand whether the people pushing this "us vs. them" divisive dialogue understand this is the natural consequence of their actions and actually WANT the oncoming conflict (and why would they buy a fight they can't win?) or if they're so oblivious of human nature that they can't even fathom what's happening.
I also wonder about this.

It is even better once you realize Benito mussolini was named After a Mexican socialist

He has a point. They're the last leftists who still oppose globalism, they're often anti-immigration and some of the most homophobic people i've ever met. Their ideology is utter trash, but not a threat either

bump
godspeed Italy

They are anti-migration and anti globalists but socialists, it's a strange party and the militants are too orthodox to pass to the other side

Citizenship requirements must be tightened, benefits paid out to women with citizenship who have 2-3 children must be increased

>Women with citizenship
Almost slipped there mate; you meant full-blooded Italian women with 2-3 children and not ANY woman with 2-3 children, right?

>full blooded Italian women
Leggi di Nurembergo when

Japan, Korea, Taiwan- all are first world. Technically the mainland's coastal cities are also highly developed but I don't trust that place. Learn one of those languages, move there, be Asian in Asian lands. Following white people around forever is no way to live as a man.

Mostly I assumed that most non-Italians in Italy do not yet have citizenship.

We need them ASAP - Italy can still be saved, unlike tha majority of other western countries...

Scratch that - ALL white lands can be saved, but they might require more effort than a 96% white nation, to clarify.

The VAST majority of them does not, in fact, have the citizenship. You are right in that regard

a friend of mine wants to name his son Gohan
what do?

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good luck pastabro

Tell him to at least italianize it, Goaniello or something along those lines.

You know the deal.

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I think it can become Giovanni in a few steps tbqh

Thanks Ameribro - I wish you good luck too, you sadly need it more than I do; your race problems are WAY bigger than ours is.

Reminder that Italy is the 8th economy in the world, has the 11th most powerful armed forces (I'd argue we beat Germany, according to the last report on their armed forces, thus making us either the 10th or the 9th) and the 9th most powerful navy (projected to become the 7th by 2022 when we get our new aircraft carrier).

We might be a "minor" Great Power, but I argue we have a better shot in the long term due to our overwhelming white majority when compared to other western countries that are facing demographic winter/lot more non-white immigration than us.

So..yeah, if the trends keep up, we might just make it.

See the writing on the wall other white right-wingers: if you lose the fight in your country, be welcome to join us and keep on the good fight.

Excellent, fugg foreign influence, autarchia linguistica nao

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why are there PD's achievements in the OP?

>Mfw ITALY IS GOIN FUCKING SPQR

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BUENA NOTTE

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Soon mate.
Sadly SOME of the things in the OP are due to the PD influence over the years...as well as the other parties influence. That is the situation as of now.

this is great news, almost too good to be true... can you trust your government to put out true statistics about this sort of thing? does it align with your experience as an italian citizen?

Thread will soon die - I'll wait some hours to resurrect it.

Surprisingly, it does.

fascism is dead while nationalism and patriotism are growing

Fascism is Nationalism plus ultra, retard.

no

si

No mate - Fascism is properly defined as the Third Way: it involves things such as corporatism in the political/economy theory of the state, massive social engineering and a thousand more things.

Fascisms is a whole system/political theory of the state - it is FAR more than mere nationalism.

ITALIA AGLI ITALIANI

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Good Luck pastabros I truly wish you well

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Hence why I called it nationalism plus ultra

>More data that I'll add to the OP in the next thread:
> -8% birth rate of foreigners in Italy in the last 3 years
> +2.43% in numbers of marriage among ethnic Italians
> 78% of all Italian babies are born during the marriage and not out of wedlock - an increase in marriages should have a direct correlation to an increase in ethnical Italian birth rates.

>> GPD growth at 1.5% - not much, but better than past years.
Because more niggers opened bank accounts.
>> Unemployment in decline: 10.8 % (December 2017) . Too high, but in constant decline (-0.2% last month only)
Because you thrown people out of statistics and don't pay welfare.
>> Salaries on the rise: 0.7% in 2017, up to 1% this year - slowly rising all across the board
Of course, but inflation is 150% on the rise.
focus-economics.com/sites/default/files/Italy-Inflation-February2017_0.gif
>> STEM salaries up 3.5% in 2017
That's nice, you can work for USA and be maid for Microsoft.
>> Debt/GDP at 132% in 2016, down at 131,5% in 2017. Remember it was under 100% in 2007 – we can re-do it.
Of course it has to go low some day, after all it was all-time high in 2016
tradingeconomics.com/italy/government-debt-to-gdp
>an all time high of 132 percent in 2016
>> 34% decline in number of illegal immigrants to Italy as of January 2018
Only 34%??!
Because IOM has an overall decline of much more than 34% migrant shimpments:
iom.int/sites/default/files/press_release/pictures/pbn-med-030918.jpg
Nothing to do with your accomplishments.
>> White (EUROPEANS) Foreigners in Italy: 52,4% of Legal residents, Estimated 30% of Illegals/Refugees
>> Estimated Non-white pop of Italy: 60,507,590 (census of 30th June 2017): 2,420,000
Since when does Italy count races? You had a census? WRONG
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Italian_Census
>A census of the whole population has taken place in Italy every 10 years
Next census is in 2021.
>> More than 60% of asylum requests are now denied - +15% in 2 years
In Germany 95% get denied in 2018 (but they stay anyway).
ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics
>the largest relative decreases were recorded in Germany (-73 %, or 520 thousand less first-time asylum seekers in 2017 than in 2016)

>mfw ever since the election I have been more attracted to the Italian culture than ever
Also lurkers reveal

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