Is free will real, or are events predetermined?

Is free will real, or are events predetermined?

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our actions, that is.

Time isn't linear.

According to Einsteins model free will cant exist. But according to the quantum model it does, you should assume it exists and just try to live a good life and not be an asshole. If you fight make sure it is to protect life and more importantly, love.

false dichotomy

who cares
you're going to die. how you get from point A to point B doesn't really matter

Isnt that interesting? Our time could warp all the time. The time I take to write this could be worth 100 years of time in the 1200's who the fuck knows.

if i ask you what kind of soda you want, and i know you are going to pick your favorite (i.e. Dr. Pepper)
and you do pick your favorite, did you really choose?

predetermination does not negate free will

Enlighten yourself faggot.

your destiny is predetermined, but its up to you to stay living and functional enough to get there

50% correct

Infinite orderly rows of boxes and inside each one is chaos

enlighten this dick nigger

Both.

Thats not my job. I love you buddy

love will get you nowhere
embrace the nothing

Yes, free will exists, but only 0.1% percent of humans have it.

I also wouldn't be surprised if our consciousnesses would exist in our own separate solipsistic universes.

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If predetermination theory fails to predict anything, then what good is it?

You're fukken dead wrong brother, if you created a potentially devistating intelligence wouldn't you make the decision to put it in a simulation to see how it acts?

Nigga you have to start reading books and shit.

Depends on the time scale.

No it doesnt cunt, read berks

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Your actions are predetermined by an impossibly complex set of consequences even on the quantum level. You basically have free will because it's truly impossible to predict how you'll behave in life.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no free will without God. I believe that free will is contingent on the existence of the human soul, otherwise humans are just physical components of the universe going about and doing whatever the chemicals in their brain tell them to.

Mark Passio literally believes that we're abandoned sims that aliens created

Every action is determined already by the actions preceding it

at the biological level no, free will is not real.
Our brains work on what is essentially binary code and are very certain in the decisions that are made.
When it comes to actually making decisions everything we do is affected by our environments
so what we choose is a result of the environment that shaped our mind and through process.
Additionally that same environment limits and chooses what decisions are presented to us.

Buddy there might actually be crazy. His assertion about the "falls of civilization" is also completely wrong.

Free will is real. Your thoughts are not exactly chosen, more like your free will chooses to focus or "tune" into certain things.

The way the govt and other groups control you is they create "triggers" which influence your free will to "tune" into certain thinking they want you to have. This is what advertising is. This is why spooks post porn on pol.

You're still implying that given enough data you could predict all human actions.

Youre damn right. Quit woth the nazi flag shit. Our movement could have serious political clout if we moved away from the swastika.

Also hitler did nothing wrong

A decision is taken subconsciously, the algorithms in your brain make the decision, then you become aware of it so it feels like you made the decision
No free will

Actually it is linear, unless you are saying time isn't a straight line relationship... It is linear.
There are only linear and non-linear systems.
"In mathematics and physical sciences, a nonlinear system is a system in which the change of the output is not proportional to the change of the input."

oh fuck I hope I'm not too late

causality

We're just like a high-end computer

A computer makes no decision - it is guaranteed to take x action given y scenario. It can't choose by itself

>When my friend complains about traffic he is whiny and playing a victim
>When I complain about things I care about it is deep and significant conversation

He is 100% right about the fluoride stare though. I agree. I disagree. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. Just staring and blurting out something completely unrelated is not a conversation and the NPC's haven't figured that out yet.

Yeah, but you're never going to be able to obtain enough data.
The Quantum model adds a ton of randomness to micro-events that have much bigger impact than they'd seem.

Everything past present and future is happening simultaneously.

Yeah but there is a unified theory. The problem is that none of the kike funded scientists will talk about it.

Just because we cant gain enough data doesnt mean that free will exists or doesnt. Even if we gathered enough data. No e of the models include soul as a factor. The soul is what creates self determination. Its the whole fucking point of this simulation.

>doesnt mean that free will exists or doesnt
It means that it "practically" exists and you should live your live as if it does. Otherwise, things go south real quick and you're susceptible to all kinds of bad behavior if you think that you have no agency in your own misfortunes - and that can lead all the way to genocide, no joke.

>Souls
Stop.

Everything is predetermined. Free will is an illusion.

If the universe never began, there would be no stars. If stars never formed, then galaxies and planets could not form. If planets never formed, then the millions of years of human history never would have occurred. Your mom never would have met me, and you would not be here. So every thing that happens in the present was directly caused by events in the past.

Everything that will happen in the future is predetermined by all the events that occurred in the past. The sun set in the west tonight and shall rise in the east in the morning. Nothing can stop that.

However, within that rigid, predetermined framework, there is a certain range of perceived free will. We feel like we are making decisions for ourselves, but our behavior is predetermined by our individual human nature.

Your mom can't control how much she likes my cock, she just can't help herself. She was born a whore. She may feel like she is choosing for herself, "should I fuck the rich white dude with the big dick, or should I go fuck those five black drug dealers in that van down the street, or should I spend quality time with my kids?" But her preferences were predetermined a long time ago. We all know what she is going to do.

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Well yeah the assumption of free will keeps us honest however the question was whether it exists and according to the standard model it does not.

How can you have free will? Ask who it is that would have free will. You would say "I" but what do you mean by that? Isn't it just the neural activity of your brain? How can you control the neural activity of your brain? And even if you were to control it, what would be controlling it? It would be your "I" again, so it would be neural activity controlling neural activity. Everything that you are, think, want, know, do, etc., is neural activity, and neural activity obeys chemical and physical laws.

Life is fake just like wrestling

Wait, wouldn't embracing love get you to nothing since it leads to nowhere?

did you make the decision to exist/be born? no?

there's your answer. such an easy blackpill to spot, but no one does.

Thanks Socrates

Events are not predetermined, but free will does not necessarily exist either. We are a product of our genetics and our environment. We are genetically programmed to behave in certain manners, but when faced with new situations the human brain is excellent at adapting. Each individual is unique, but responds in similar ways to similar circumstances. We are predictable and programmable, but carry just enough creativity and variance to keep advancing as a society. The true red pill is realizing that the (white) leftists are the same as you, and in the same environments you would become similar people. Expose them to truths they can't deny in a way that makes it seem like they are discovering things on their own. Ask the questions. Don't give the answers. Their journey will begin.

If free will isn't real why did I just spend six days sweating while I quit smoking?

causality
nice work man i recently made it only 4 1/2 days. trying again soon

Did you choose to get rounded up and gassed? No? I guess we never had a choice in the matter.

in your scifi anime you were watching lately or what? kek

everything is predetermined

kys jew

free will is our illusion. Our future is not pretedermined in a sense that our choices were already being made for us, but in a sense that by the time you have to choose you already have your reasons to make a specific choice.

everyone has limited choices based on their situation. you can't just say "i choose to be a billionaire" and then blame lack of free will when that does not happen

I was talking about "free will" not about "fucking up physics and logic just because it would be cool for me".

This is why you were forced to drink poison, socrates

I fucked up bad
was meant for
sorry no hard feelingsafter all life is a flat circle

TIME is a flat circle... Life is two dimensional cross-section of a 5-dimensonal banana. You keep fucking this up...

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it doesnt matter

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choice is irrelevant when anything we do will end the same way no matter what.

>but in a sense that by the time you have to choose you already have your reasons to make a specific choice.
But everyone experiences this. Even rich people. They may have more choices. You can choose to eat candy bars/chips/ice cream every day, or you can choose not to eat any sugary or snack shit. In a few months or years, if you ate candy bars and junk every day, you will have more limited short term choices left to you, e.g. you will be fatter, unhealthier, less attractive, less self confident, etc. Everyone has real choices they can make, that will have actual effects on their short or long term future.

Yes. As I said I was talking about free will not about unlimited free wishes. I also wasn't talking about the set of options you have. But you can make your own choices however limited they are. You can argue that USA is a land of freedom. Yeah. So what? Are you happy with that freedom? Freedom is not that you can get whatever you want with a single choice. You make one choice at a time and our collective reality is too complex and turbulent to determine what choices are the best for your long term goals. That doesn't mean you are not free.

Freedom of will is not the absence of potential consequences, not altering reality, not happiness, not living outside human and natural laws.