Jordan Peterson

Why did /po/ suddenly turn against Peterson?

There's very few philosophers aligned with the alt-right, shouldn't we take what we can get?

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>Why did /po/ suddenly turn
i didnt realize he was into origami

Because he’s created a cult of personality out of redditors and manchildren who think “clean your room” is some sort of genius insight and he sells over priced carpets with his meme symbol on them in true kike fashion. Ignores the jq. Dismisses race realism. Israel supporting boomer cuck

>Dismisses race realism. Israel supporting boomer cuck
This.

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Controlled opposition.
Gatekeeper.
Super-shill.

Bitch. Period.

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>Dismisses race realism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
>Scientific racism (sometimes[year needed] race realism, race biology or racial biology[1]) is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical evidence exists to support or justify racism (racial discrimination), racial inferiority, or racial superiority;[2][3][4] alternatively,[clarification needed] it is the practice of classifying[5] individuals of different phenotypes or genotype into discrete races. Historically it[clarification needed] received credence in the scientific community, but is no longer considered scientific.[3][4]

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Carpet salesmen arent philosophers you toronto scum. Stop worshipping this turd. Hes just a typical manic with some narcissism issues who ran away into teaching/therapy because he got scared of his potential and became an alcoholic when he couldnt handle the responsibility of the power he knew he could seize. He only "stands up" now because his comfy escape is under threat. The attention has gone to his head and fed into his personal delusions of grandeur.

Sup Forums didn't turn against him, but a load of shareblue shills post as Sup Forums to D&C

Because if you prevent consensus around dangerous personalities like Peterson, who not only talks about the propagation of psycho-social dynamics but ways to circumvent it for political purposes, then you threaten anyone else willing to take the same positions, and you essentially stunt any furthering of his views in the public domain, such as insisting people read The Gulag Archipelago, or that racial IQ differences are real, or that liberalism is failing the west.

Pretty much this

Sup Forums is reactionary

Peterson is too popular for his own good, thus everyone here hates him.

but i dont think theres anyone who thinks he is a bad influence.

theres no such thing as an alt-right

it was painfully obvious that peterson was controlled opposition

like all shills his main goal is to make you achieve nothing and learn nothing, and anyone he can destroy in the process is just an extra benefit

Wikipedia also claims genderfluidity and non-binary conformity are legitimate scientific phenomena, and these ideas haven't specifically been crafted by Jews to fuck up society. Not an argument faggot.

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This is Sup Forums
I believe you’re looking for /po/ , the origami board

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>Why did /po/ suddenly turn against Peterson?
Sup Forums did not.
Shills did when he gained power.
(And a few genuine NatSoc)

He's good for the cause, but not a leader of our cause

Left wing identity politcs
>Whites have no right to ethnic identity or ethnic self determination

Right wing identity politics
>Whites also have a right to ethnic identity or ethnic self determination

Centrists:
>Look, they are practically the same!

Sup Forums didnt you fag. You seriously gotten baiten by the shills. Sad

this. this "hate e-celeb pick sides" mentality is what children do. if anyone has something interesting to say, I'll listen.

Pretty much this.

His personal betterment advice is close to second to none, very worth watching hours of then applying to your own life.

His theories on groups (or anything beyond Tue individual) are absolute dogshit and can be immediately discarded out of hand.

He never claimed to be a leader, and nobody should take him as such. Keeping that in mind and reminding people of it is nice and all.
The problem is that people are starting to go against him as they go against, let's say, communists. As Sup Forums does to any who might be an ally...

>shouldn't we take what we can get
No, a turd will not smell nicer if it's your own, you definitely don't have to swallow it.

>philosopher
his brand of utilitarianist kikery would get btfo by any philosopher worth his salt which is probably why he's never debated one and instead prefer to victimize retarded caricatures of screeching feminist journalists

oh shit, I missed that "alt-right" part. shill thread

>theres no such thing as an alt-right
This.

DUDE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE JUST SMARTER

>missing out abuses anti depressants to even get through the day

>Ignores the JQ
He doesnt really, people are just too dumb to read between the lines.
Name one (((alt-right))) (((intellectual))) that discusses the JQ openly and isnt controlled op.. you cant.
JP has real life socialists/globalists running scared. He 's doing real things to challenge their indoctrination cults in the universities. He's shaking the hornets nest.
Wierd how (((alt-righters))) have a problem with this and zealously sperg out against him.
People in the know see just how lame these anti-peterson threads are.
I have never given him a penny nor even read his program btw.

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Peterson should be a very short phase in your life. If you cling on for some time or buy anything from him you aren't having any personal growth and JP isn't going to fix it.

honestly, he bought into his own hype, i still like a lot of his work but im totally over the person.

just another e-girl starving for attention

Stop talking about ecelebs here. Its a clusterfuck and im pretty sure trolls are the only ones pushing them.

>pol is one person
I'm not a stormwiennie, I still listen to Peterson all the time. Even if I don't agree with everything he says.

if you think peterson is a philosopher you really need a trip to the ol' library

Jew shill and beta male.

Nobody did. He cannot directly call out the kikes or he will lose his influence. He even has a foward in his book with a kike talking about his grandparents heroically dodging the gas chamber by "changing lines". This kike informs the reader that Peterson is in no way an anti-semite.

He took care of that killing word in the into to his book! Brilliant! Now he just lets everyone redpill themselves with his info.

Also, this "he isn't calling for gassing the kikes" shill tactic is known. If he did that, his influence would go from 100 to 2.

hate him from first listen, obviously controlled opposition.

always banging the holohoax drum, denying the JQ.

gas him.

"A close reading of 20th century history indicates, as nothing else can, the horrors that acompany loss of faith in the idea of the individual. It is only the individual,
afterall, who suffers. The group does not suffer, only those who compose it, thus the reality of the individual must be regarded as primary, if suffering is to be regarded
seriuously. Without such regard there can be no motivation to reduce suffering, and therefor no respite. Instead the production of individual suffering can and has and
will be again rationalized and justified for its supposed benefits for the future and the group. " ---Jordan Peterson

Imagine having spent a large portion of your professional life as a psychologist, studying the psychology behind totalitarian regimes, how they come about and how they lead
to atrocities, only to watch helplessly as a bunch of countries march in exactly that direction while you try to convince people on both sides of how this leads to
destruction and death on an enormous scale only to have those sides both turn to you and start screaming 'ree' at you.

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What's the JQ?

We, Sup Forums, dislike Jew and Right Wing sympathy.

Because then the Russian trolls wouldn't have sheep to dupe into fighting their own.

I don't trust him and never have. That said he is mildly interesting at times and, while a little arrogant, his approach to psychological improvement is preferable to the degrading and mechanistic approaches many are turning to for cheap and quick 'results'.

Peterson goes down tiny rabbit holes, 'muh post-modernism' or 'muh post-structuralism', when in fact critical theory or what we call 'cultural marxism' has had, of all these, the greatest marriage with liberalism, which has in the last 50 years, a la Rawls, become soft-communism. Rawls, Honneth and Habarmas are the problem, because they are easily used to read communism into the laws, unlike Derrida or Foucault, who are way too obtuse for that. Peterson has nothing to say about them. Because...

Peterson is a classical liberal, meaning that he thinks individuals should each be able to determine the 'good' for themselves. However, the 'good', the things we benefit from, all depend on certain responsibilities undertaken by previous generations, such as marriage. If no one has kids, then your nation collapses.

All the philosophers in the world can get together and talk about the human right to eat, but unless someone is farming or hunting, no eats in the end of the day. Unless you somehow ensure that people do what is necessary, which is determined by the actual sorts of duties people have undertaken in the past, i.e., traditions, then your nation will collapse.

The idea that each individual can speculate about the 'good', in metaphysical, ontological, etc., terms, and that such 'goods' should be considered of equal value to those actual 'goods' that were necessary in order to be able to ponder what might be 'good' in the first place, is a lie.

This is basically what Hegel means when he says that 'ethical life' is abstract and empty without the 'substance' of the particular traditions of a people. You must look to, and prioritize the 'good' that has been embodied first, and start from the bottom up.

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Umm.. sweetie, take a good look at current society. If the government starts gassing undesirables and deplorables, you are in the first batch to the oven.
Maybe you should re-think your outlook on big government and authoritarianism.

thank you

>muh suffering individual
why is he refusing to use the trannies prefered pronouns then, he's rationalizing the production of individual suffering for its supposed benefits for the future and the group

Its hilarious that he doesn't see the close resemblance of his Jungian ideas to the esoteric elements of fascism, national socialism and the surrounding thinkers.

he isn’t refusing to use them. he’s never said he would refuse to do that

Why haven't you basement dwelling fucksticks taken advantage of his awesome self-authoring deal?

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>A close reading of 20th century history indicates, as nothing else can, the horrors that >accompany loss of faith in the idea of the individual. It is only the individual, after all, who >suffers. The group does not suffer, only those who compose it, thus the reality of the >individual must be regarded as primary, if suffering is to be regarded seriously. Without >such regard there can be no motivation to reduce suffering, and therefore no respite. Instead >the production of individual suffering can and has and will be again rationalized and >justified for its supposed benefits for the future and the group. --JP
Imagine having spent a large portion of your professional life as a psychologist, studying the psychology behind totalitarian regimes, how they come about and how they lead to atrocities, only to watch helplessly as a bunch of countries march in exactly that direction while you try to convince people on both sides of how this leads to destruction and death on an enormous scale only to have those sides both turn to you and start screaming 'ree' at you.

Imagine being such a deluded jackass that you think it's at all possible or wise to prevent history repeating itself

to say that he must is a collectivist argument. he's said he would accommodate a serious INDIVIDUAL, but not some rabid trannies asserting themselves as leaders of a collective.

Imagine being such a brainlet that you think that millions of whites killing each-other is a good outcome, because that is where this is heading

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Are you fucking trolling newfag? LURK

individualism is a meme that has been pumped into the soft heads of the masses for 70 years now. there are no individuals. in order to even get to the point where you can rant about muh individualism, you need to have been born, raised by a family, consume food cultivated by farmers, on land fought for by soldiers, etc. The individual only exists insofar as his ancestors existed before him.

even in order to define individualism, you have to come to a group consensus about what the 'good' is and what 'freedom' means, and why these are preferable, etc.

I study speech patterns.
>This is Peterson.

>suddenly
He's regularly trashed here for his undying live for kosher dong for very long time already.

What do you think he talking about? It's like JP's shit just went right the fuck over your head. Your supposition that community should take priority over the individual fly's in the face of the American and capitalistic ideal. It ain't called COMMUNism for no reason.
t.brainlet

I've heard him say almost exactly that.

He excused jewish collectivism and condemned white collectivism, from what I gathered

He is right though, the majority of humans are retarded and don't deserve to live. The least we can do is tell them what to do. Individualism has brought about fuckloads of degeneracy.

Let's just assume Sup Forums did for the sake of argument. Why the switch? It's the same bullshit that happens all over Sup Forums. Something gets popular and people talk about it a lot. Before long people get tired of seeing it talked about so much and start to hate it. Then the tide shifts and the contrarians come out of the wood works to hate on what was once popular so they can seem "lit" or whatever you faggots say these days.

It happens on all the boards, this one is no different.

don't need a government to gas kikes and their tools.

Why not just put on the commie meme flag and be done with it....

I like Peterson. He is an excellent speaker. Sure, all of us here know how harmful these new age, (post-modern, as he would put it), ideas are, but it's often hard to explain why exactly they are so insidious. Peterson does this with ease. I've really appreciated his analysis on intelligence and personality, and I think his generalized advice, e.g. clean your room, is interesting. His way of drawing parallels between our time and historic fiction is enthralling.

All in all, he's a sharp guy going around dropping redpilling on normies. Of course he's not with us 100%; he has said many times he's not an alt-righter and doesn't particularly agree with our politics. Not everyone has to go around wearing a maga hat shouting nigger and kike. Besides, I get plenty enough of that on here anyway.

> clean your room
> fail
> hate

stop advertising buy ad plz

Hi! Grandma!

Not an argument. Zero part of this was an argument.

Those who reject their race, who deride who and what they are and act to see it disintegrated are not 'brothers'.

>Individualism has brought about fuckloads of degeneracy.
Completely this and democracy has failed aswell. Most humans are simply disappointing, you give them freedom minus a strong father fore to guide them and create boundaries and hat do they do? turn to decadence,degeneracy and laziness.

he married a Jewess cunt. He's aligned with the (((Alt-White)))
>Lie with dogs, ....

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Because I don't like commies. You can blame the commies all you like, but they are the ones shoving their dick inside your capitalist system and using it as a condom to fuck you with.

Everything he said was correct. What happens if your grandpa leaves you with nothing and gives his inheritance to some nigger because he thinks of being an individual and says "fuck family, they are privledged communists". Theres the problem with freedom.

There are persons but no such thing as "The Individual" around which their entire philosophy is structured.

Great advice coming from a cuc-er, I mean Brit! What have you done for your country today, faggot?

The guy was getting too popular and it was happening too fast. Shills had to shut him down hard or white people might end up confident and successful again.

This

>JP has real life socialists/globalists running scared.
Bullshit. Kikes LOVE him. Sure, he attacked some minor jewish golems like tranny culture, but at the same time he constantly targets potential reactionaries and turns them into a good hard-working goyim who hold globalist status quo on their backs, everything NWO could ever wish for.
Imagine some silver-tongued kike convincing young Hitler to forget all the hate and identity, clean his room and become good law-abiding and hard working citizen of Weimar republic who loves his jewish masters. Because this is what Peterstein does, specifically targeting people with potential who arent affected by standard propaganda of kike academia.

based.

>164941527no (you) 4u
You are literally advocating for communism. I don;t think you really understand much of what you are talking about. I think you are a fucking retard trolling for (you)'s because you can;t stomach that your country is fucked through and through. Have a nice day faggot

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Woes explains it beautifully.

Not an argument.

thx!

This paragon posting on Sup Forums is the example we should all aspire to, he could be making the world a brighter place but instead graces us with his wit.

Truly we are blessed

The American capitalistic ideal is a corruption of the true Europid spirit9; you're clinging to past expressions of the same degradation.

>your country is fucked, not mine, we had nothing to do with anything, our media and government is harmless

ok american.

Because if you're not racist, anti-Semitic and are not saying that Hitler was right then you can't be /ourguy/

>His way of drawing parallels between our time and historic fiction is enthralling.
You ought to look in to those who've done so in far more depth and with far more enthusiasm - Jung himself for starters.

1. Peterson is not aligned with the alt right, Peterson is a moderate centrist who wants a better and more responsable world.
2. Pol is still being targeted by russian agitators who are attempting to polarize us politics. Naturally these agents have a vested interest in discouraging users from checking out Peterson's lectures.

>advice
Where?

>who wants a better and more responsable world
>advocates against war and escalation
So he's either brainlet, small-souled bugman or hypocrite?

>thinking that prioritizing certain community goods, like marriage or race, over individuals ones necessarily makes one a communist

I'm not a commie. I'm a republican, in the same sense that many of your founders, like Madison, were. That means that I subscribe to the positive doctrine of liberty (freedom to do x) rather than the negative one (freedom from x). On the first view, one is only considered free to do x because, in so doing, he undertakes some responsibility seen as necessary for the achievement of both his autonomy and that of his people. This is why Madison thought (cf Federalist Paper 46) that men could only be free if they maintained armed militias. "With great freedom comes great responsibility".

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THIS! I keep asking myself this. How can he despise fascist when the majority of his ideas in reality lies on fascism?

I get the impression that he's oblivious to what fascism means, whilst being convinced that fascism just mean authoritarian government.

Its not a choice between "individualism" or capitalism and communism. If you want to get anywhere you need to understand you're severely limiting yourself by adhering to this nonsensical paradigm.

This guy fucken sucks Jewish dick another controlled opposition kike puppet if he was any threat to them they wouldn’t feature him on all their shows fuck him and all ecelebs the Jews shill here

why would Papercraft & Origami turn against him? what did he do? can someone explain

>Bullshit. Kikes LOVE him.
>Doesnt give examples, only regurgitates tired anti-peterson talking points.

0.02$ have been deposited into your account.
Like I said, in REALITY, kikes actually work against him.

I don't know if he's feigning ignorance or he hasn't looked quite so deeply in to these "pathological" ideologies as he claims.