Does anyone else feel that youre drifting towards Socialist nationalism?

Does anyone else feel that youre drifting towards Socialist nationalism?

Honestly why would you subject a homogenious white society to international merchant finnance. Capitalism is the essence of jewry: you dont do actual work but you make absurd amounts litterally while youre sleeping meanwhile honest white workers labor day after day just to make fat jews money.

If we had a socalist economy based on labor vouchers you simply do an hour of work and recieve and hours worth of goods. No jewish finnancial fuckery, unemployment, no gibs, or being at the mercy of a chaotic international market. Niether niggers nor jews could survive in that kind of society.

Communism is shit in a lot of ways but can we at least admit that socalist economics are the way forward?

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Yeah but isnt syndicalism generally anarchistic? I think a centrally planned economy with a strong state is the ideal.

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You can have syndicates work towards goals set by the central government, with government influence varying from field to field.

56% meme is about the percentage of Americans who describe themselves as white. Which is absurd, since anyone who knows the US knows that whites are at most 20% of the population. The vast majority of Americans are mutts with European coloration.
amerimutts = non-white traits + European coloration.

example of amerimutts: Miley Cyrus, Cameron Dias, Round Rousey, Chuck Norris Chris Weidmann, Andrew Anglin, Sarah Palin ...


>Being mixed & Looking Amerimutt
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebb01F5oYQM&feature=youtu.be

>Black people looking Amerimutt
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>Family Secrets: “Amerimutt Like Her” Author Learned Her Black Mother Spent Her Life Passing As White
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>Amerimutt family embraces celebrated black ancestor
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>Meet The Woman Who Learned That Her Mother Passed As White
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>The genes that build America"

theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/15/usa.genetics

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"(...)Last year, Professor Peter Fine at Florida Atlantic University had an idea for an art class. He would gather a group of students to produce work around their idea of their racial identity. But as part of the class he asked them to take a DNA test that would break down their racial background. His bet was that most of the class - of whom the majority saw themselves as whites of European descent - had no real idea who they were.

He was right. Of 13 students, only one turned out to be completely European. The rest displayed a mixture of European, Native American, African and Asian genes(...)"


>"(...)Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes. The majority of black Americans have some European ancestors.(...)"

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Sup Forums sez im not allowed to be right-wing or natsoc because I have brown skin
>in bee fore the "pole is not one person" memay

Most Americans "white" have strange facial features such as flat head, short and wide skull, broad and flat nose, small eyes, thick lips (Look in negroid lips Darren wilson police), dental arch Negroid or Mongoloid ...


The Census in the US is a complete farce, which is why I have no faith that the American white people is 63 percent, the numbers are less than 20%, in my opinion, they constantly mix Mongrels with western population white American Royal.


Whites are already minority in the US
When you add 30 million illegal immigrants and their anchor babies, and all Middle Eastern people who are considered caucasion, but not Hispanic, along with all enties of mixed-race who identifies as white
(people like Rob schinider
, Miley Cyrus , Mark-Paul Gosselaar, liv tayler , Cameron dias , Chris Weidman, ronda rousey,
Freddie Prinze Jr. (puerto rican father), sarah palin , Fergie, Edward Furlong, tim tebow,
chad murray, etc etc etc) .
Even within the American WN There are several mestizos:


Patrick Chouinard ,Andrew Anglin, Rodney Martin, Kyle Rogers, Andrew Auernheimer, mat parrot, joe sobran, Lincoln Rockwell Gordon Baum and Matthew Heimbach are some examples!
Many other things indicate nonwhite ancestry, as undershot, extremely broad noses, the epicanthal bending, flat faces, curly or very curly hair or straight hair too thick and dark, large Negroid-esque lips, thick eyelids, very large apples face, and yellowish skin, among others.

very dark eyes and hair paired with any of these characteristics is also a very good indicator that a person is nonwhite.

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That sounds pretty great. Why is everyone on pol a capitalist?

Nope!

Because le edgy republicans told them that socialism doesn’t work. Also most of them are americans who have been brainwashed to oppose anything that threatens their slave masters.

There are quite a many non capitalists, but they’re a minority.

Because capitalism works you idiot
Capitalism is what drives a society forward regarding technology and innovation look at what happenes with unions.. People do the minimum work required because they know they will get paid
People need to be rewarded for doing good work.making new jobs and making advances in their fields so you country can grow economicly in comparsion with other countries

Show me one time communism worked
Tou cant because its a shitty financial idea

Capitalism works wonders for a countrys economy

Rich people create jobs

Even countrys that claim socialism like finland are actually pretty capitalist they just give some gibs to the poor

Capitalism is fair. Equality is a stupid idea. If i worked all my life built a company from zero made huge discoveries in sience why does jamal deserve the same stuff as i do?

US, known for homosexuality, race mixing, economic stagnation.
China, known for nationalism, militarism, booming economy.
Guess which one is communist and which is capitalist?

So is this a bot or something?

What did he mean by this?

Socialism and equality as an idea is contrary to the advancement of western civilization

If you want people to build new stuff you need to reward them. If you share the wealth everyone will be farmers and your country will get left behind economicly
What drives a country forward is the 1%. If yiur country has low tax the 1% create a lot of jobs and fund research. If you share all the money no one can do shit. The poor class is not a product of racism it's part of human nature. This is how society works and if you let woman share the wealth because muh cumpassion then your country will be in shit economical state

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program

>scientific socialism is shit but socialism is the way forward
Hmmmmmm

Almost all technological innovation and advancement in comes from heavily subsidized state funded research. Corporations refuse to spend tons of money and time on research that might not pan out.

People should be rewarded for working hard. If you make more product or of higher quality you should be rewarded for your increased productivity. But id you just own money, dont work, and pay people to work you that person doesnt deserve billions while white working families struggle to to raise a couple kids.

I dont really carw about equality I care about rewardimg actual work not jewry.

Name the central defect of socialism without referring to Google.

>Capitalism works
By boom and bust cycles that lead to major recessions and real wage suppression which inevitably leads to cultural crisis
>Technology and innovation
Soviet space programme?
>People need to be rewarded
If everyone is doing state run education and getting excellent occupations in fields of science, medicine, engineering, etc while robots and automation make up the majority of unskilled jobs and people aren't having to give up education into skilled jobs necessary for future development so they can just mindlessly work away at the same menial task just to pay off shekelstein at the end of the day then you can guarantee there'll be future development
>Show me one time communism worked
Soviet Union before it fell, China and Cuba
>Rich people create jobs
Learn basic economics, aggregate demand creates jobs not the rich and the way rich people get richer is by cutting wages and inflating prices which in turn gets rid of aggregate demand
>If I worked all my life le jamal
If you think about a society without monetary reward, there is still reward

Also the OP mentioned NATIONALIST socialism so lets not even mention the word "jamal" because in this socialist society there is no jamal

Now, if there is no monetary reward and you make huge discoveries in science then you will literally be one of the most revered and rewarded men in your society

Lazy fucks that do nothing will be alienated, hated and even persecuted in society if the society is a collectivist one

Great men such as scientists, excellent writers or artists will be the most revered instead of shitty celebrities and rappers with loads of money like nowadays society

I don't honestly care about economy that much. I would prefer almost pure capitalism, but I'd be fine with socialism as long as my country was nationalistic. Keeping Finland Finnish is by far the most important thing for me.

You dont understand what socalism is and have an embaressingly bad grasp of economics in general. The 1% doesnt create jobs, a job is just socailly nessisary labor. The 1% limit the amount of jobs by controlling the acess to the capital needed to accomplish labor. Socalism isnt taxes it is eliminating the ability of people to make money off simply owning property instead of working and letting everyone have access to thr means of production so we can all be productive, hardworking members of society who get back only what they put in.

>But id you just own money, dont work, and pay people to work you that person doesnt deserve billions
Where did those billions come from? Someone made that money, and that someone deserved it.

>China is a booming so wonderful country
Lurk moar newfag

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Marxism comes with a lot of other baggage like destruction of religion and culture, rights for women, anti-racism, etc.

>boom and bust cycles
Through socialist planning of one half the economy (money being one half of every exchange) by central banks.

>Personal, most likely made up anecdotes speak for the whole of China

Ya'll mind if I believe the statistics not personal stories from le epic truthful user man on a mongolian fingerpainting board?

>He thinks private bank monopolies will make a difference

Already there

>Brazilian shitskin says Americans aren't white
Cool story pablo.

I believe in illusory credit booms, ghost cities, and GDP being a flawed metric that can make any communist country pumping out steel while its people starve look good. What do you believe in?

Thats called primative accumulation and if you actually look far back enough it generally occured through really terrible and coercive means.

But even for an idealized entrepeneur they aquired billions from having their workers produce good which were worth far more than they were paid which he invested into more capital earning him more money until it spirals into ridiculous uber-riches. The capitalist gets his priveledged position simply because the workers lack access to the means of production in which the capitalist acts as a gate keeper. Socalism is simply removing that privileged gatekeeper status from the capitalists and letting workers earn thr full value of their labor.

No. I think a system resembling Scotland free banking and clearance housing system will work.

Still waiting on a response to this

>Thats called primative accumulation and if you actually look far back enough it generally occured through really terrible and coercive means.
Outlaw those terrible and coercive means, then. They're not relevant to arguments about socialism / capitalism.
>until it spirals into ridiculous uber-riches.
This has never happened to me, and I've tried to be rich. You probably have to be pretty smart for this to happen. And if you're that smart, you could game any system whatsoever.

I mean I dont know what you want.
Id argue that one of the biggest problems with previous attempts at socalism is that they were tied to currency instead of labor vouchers which caused a lot of fuckery in the attempt to centrally plan.
Mises would argue its the calculation problem.

>currency instead of labor vouchers
u wot m8? currency IS labor vouchers.

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You can outlaw them but we have a global population of incredibly rich people who own the vast majority of the wealth, influence and power. Because capital is always accumulating this population will continue to exist.

And yes, its almoat impossible for a prole like you with no giant reserves of money or capital to enter into the ranks of the rich and powerful.

Yes the calculation debate in the 1920s was a big deal with farther reaching implications about the scope and competence of top-down human management. It's literally why even Zeitgeist super magic robot socialism isn't feasible. It l come back to the concept of emergence. The real question is how does the economic system adapt to an automated economy that has displaced humans through machine learning. Perhaps we go back to feudalism who knows.

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No, please no. Dude you cant be this dumb. Just go and read up my man. Labor vouchers dont circulate and have a fixed value. Just to show the difference Bill Gates couldnt be a billionaire unless he worked a billion hours.

>Bill Gates couldnt be a billionaire unless he worked a billion hours.
But not all work is equally valuable. Why would I do my valuable job for the government, if I could sell my valuable products on black market instead? Or will you be doing house raids in your utopia?

I think a lot of the questions raised in the calculation debate have been answered by later marxist thinkers. Cockshot gave a really good hot take by suggesting a very limited consumer market variance with labor vouchers could solve all the problems.

>labour vouchers don't circulate
Which become traded as money for consumption level goods and services. Yes they do. See theory and history of money.
>fixed value
Value is subjective

Sell it for what? Theres no more legal tender. To make a profit youd have to sell your goods for more labor vouchers than than it would take hours to produce. Its nonsensical.

For squirrel skins, salt and jewelry. You can't just ban currency, or people will make their own.

I've read mises and some Hayek. All that was addressed way back then.

>To make a profit youd have to sell your goods for more labor vouchers than than it would take hours to produce.
Also, how the hell can a thinking being come to this conclusion? If I roll a rock up a hill for one hour, do I get a single labor voucher? If I invent a faster than light space ship in one hour, do I get a single labor voucher?

"human rights" is literally a communist dogwhistle

white people being slaughtered in SA to singsong tunes of kill the boer? No human rights violations

Fight back against communist rebels? Muh hyoomin rites!

Money isn't limited to legal tender. Money doesn't arise from government edict.

Cockshot was responding directly to mises and the others when he made his arguments. His argument is basically that they underestimated the computing power that would be available and has run experimenta to demonstrate that central planning is possible.

>valuable job
>for the government

since when is glowing in the dark valuable?

Yeah you can go and try to make a black market fiat currency that outcompetes the socalist economy. Im really not scared.

There is literally a word for this exact situation:

paraeconomy

There's a shortage of some good because nobody wants to produce it for exactly as many labor vouchers as they cost (say, it's really shitty work or something, unpleasant)?

You could just sell it for some other proxy currency. It happens all the time.

>If we had a socalist economy based on labor vouchers

how many hours of labor to you think go into one helicopter ride though?

there will always be jews and that means even a socialist economy won't work

Currency is just an abstraction of trade.

If you've ever made good on a favor you owed, congratulations, you used trade. The actual money aspect of it is just a technicality.

>Yeah you can go and try to make a black market fiat currency that outcompetes the socalist economy. Im really not scared.
You definitely should be.
Imagine this: A guy makes bricks. He can make ten bricks an hour. He gets one labor voucher every hour in your system, I believe.

Another guy builds a machine. This machine makes 1000 bricks an hour. He keeps the machine hidden, and he claims that he has worked for 100 hours today. This might raise some eyebrows, but he clearly has 1000 bricks, so it must be true. Will you give him 100 labor vouchers? No? In that case, he hides 990 bricks, and gives you 10. He will go to black market and trade 20 bricks for one voucher. Why would anyone trade the other guy for 10 bricks, when they get 20 from this guy?

I honestly find it hard to believe I have to explain this stuff like you're 5 years old. How can a person be articulate and probably well educated and still need this stuff explained to him? Simply astounding.

Its based on socally nessisary labor time. If the rock didnt need to be up the hill then you dont get a voucher. If you did invent faster than light travel it would take years and years so for the sake of argument we could say that youd get labor vouchers equivlient to how much time it would have taken to accomplish nornally.

>how much time it would have taken to accomplish nornally.
So if I'm extremely inventive, I will make gargantuan profits?

Also, do tell me, how much work is inventing electric light?

The socialist "silver bullet" to this is that labor vouchers, theoretically, cannot be traded. But you could very easily trade it for some other good with another willing party. And if that party doesn't have that good? Well, he'd need some sort of currency.

Trade uber alles, your autistic "these are the rules and realpolitik will go away if you write enough theory" fantasy will never be reality

And I assume there's a (((committee))) that decides what labor is worth what

Boomers and the Donald cucks

The whole idea is that the state owns all the capital needed to work and all products come from state factories. You cant simply exchange labor vouchers between some random guy with bricks or show up to work with 10 bricks and call it off.

Cockshott's entire premise consists of living i fucking communes and socially necessary labour time which was refuted further back during the marginalised revolution. It's established already that socialist planning in complex modern economies based on division of labour cannot rationally plan or coordinate without markets.

>these are the rules and realpolitik will go away if you write enough theory"
I don't understand why anyone would even begin to write theory about this stuff, when a guy who has never entered a liberal arts university in his life can in five minutes prove how communism simply can't function. The only way I can think of how to solve that brick maker -problem is to have government police basically enslave all citizens and enclose them in labor camps using force.

Fuck labor vouchers, then. I'll trade my bricks for his shoes and her bread.

It doesnt have to. You could take electronic samples of what the average time it takes to accomplish a task, if you're super industrious and make twice what others do then youll earn twice as much. Obviously scientific research is different from regular production.

The value of labour is subjective. Labour is heterogeneous and non-fungible most of the time.

The value of labour is subjective. Labour is heterogeneous and non-fungible most of the time.
The value of labour is subjective. Labour is heterogeneous and non-fungible most of the time.

>Obviously scientific research is different from regular production.
How about cleaning, teaching, policing, building, engineering, accounting, guarding etc. etc. etc.? How do these compare? If you wiping floors is as valuable as me building skyscrapers, I might opt to not put much thought into my calculations of structural integrity. In fact, I'd probably prefer wiping floors, since that's far easier.

Socialist nationalism has been my stance (broadly speaking) for a long time.
Pretty much this. I'd call myself a natsyn that believes guilds should essentially act as the syndicates.

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"If we had a socalist economy based on labor vouchers you simply do an hour of work and recieve and hours worth of goods." Hear is the problem with that: It only makes sense if you think that all labor is equally valuable. That is not true in real life. An hour spent digging a hole in the ground for no particular purpose is not equally valuable as an hour spent administrating life-saving medicine, or even an hour spent performing fellatio on someone else. At least with the fellatio someone is getting something out of it.

>capitalism works
>meanwhile private companies are stopping you from speaking freely online
>products are designed to break through planned obsolescence which causes landfills to be overfilled.
>financiers like Soros fund liberal social justice movements that break down the fabric of society
>International bankers manufacture debt through central banking
>companies can fire you for wrong think online
Yeah capitalism sure does work retard.

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Define white, i thought we our all mutants.

You wouldnt get if for digging a ditch that no one needs. Its based on socally necessary labor time. And while caring for the sick is important i dont think its any more or less important than manufacturing

>national socialist complaining about censorship in corporatist mixed economies
Lmao

It hasnt been refuted at all.

>i dont think its any more or less important than
That makes you a capitalist. You don't get to choose the worth of something in communism.

Then go on and wipe the floors fag.

National Socialism is an extremely broad term and not all national socialists agree on every issue. Not to mention, I wouldn't call our economy corporatist in the fascist sense. People confuse corporatism with corporativism, i.e. cronyism. My points on capitalism still stand regardless of what you may think of my political views.

Marx was refuted before the car was invented. Repackaging old theories doesn't make them any more viable.

You communist utopia will be a clean place, I'm sure, since everyone is wiping floors. I do wonder how sustainable that is, though.

No it doesnt. All needed labor is equally valueable. That literally what I just said.

China's economic system is closer to National Socialism

Is me saving a patient worth as much as me killing a patient? Is me building a space ship worth as much as you guarding a convenience store?

Sorry jealous Brazilian mutt, but genetic studies show that self-described European Americans have 98% European admixture. This isn't like South America where the Spanish fucked everything in sight and created truly mixed societies.

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You really think that most people would rather toil in manual labor than earn a living by going to uni and designing buildings in a comfy office?
Theres also only so many jobs of certain kinds available before its no longer socally nessisary

If you have terrible quality of care you would probably be fired. But yes an hour of manufacturing is equal to an hour of guarding if it is nessisary.

What do the farmers get for assembling the goods? What would we work for? How would we form an army? It seems like an ok idea, but it would require reinvisioning the economy. I think we should bring back ration cards to distribute food in a way without destroying our airable land like we are currently. Make sure everyone has enough calories to meet their needs and maybe more for stuff like weightlifting, running, and training. No more junk food and stuff like fast food that makes everyone fat and retarded. Rotate fields, so a farmer has one field to plant while three other fields are used as grazing pastures or we just let them be to restock soil nutrients. Ration meat strictly, but not heavily, put more emphasis on seafood. Dairy is also good, and treats (ice cream, chocolate) should be limited, but not heavily rationed, like meat. I really think rationing would be the best way to curb the fatty problem. I also think different types of meaningless work (again, fast food wagecuck type jobs) shouldn’t exist. I feel people should get a fair shake for a fair job.

Wrong

based

>You really think that most people would rather toil in manual labor than earn a living by going to uni and designing buildings in a comfy office?
I thought all work is equally valuable.

>But yes an hour of manufacturing is equal to an hour of guarding if it is nessisary.
Interesting. A good doctor gets paid as much as a bad doctor. What is to stop people from giving blowjobs for the good doctor, so he'd treat them instead of the bad doctor? Now, if the good doctor gets extra blowjobs, the work is clearly not equally valuable.

Also, please read the thread. I get tired schooling communists on different threats already, but I don't bother doing it multiple times in one thread.

Also, you should be able to keep and cook the meat you hunt and eat the things you grow. Put an emphasis on self reliance and the good side effects will follow.

So you somehow invented this incredible machine with parts aquired from state which is somehow more efficent than the state technology by a huge degree and then you use that product to establish a big barter trading empire? Yeah I just dont really think thats a reasonable fear. Youre not going to create capital better than the state can.

Maybe I stole the parts from the state. Or maybe I built my machine from parts I've acquired with my work vouchers. Maybe I've traded my daily bread for those parts.

If a doctor is truly terrible then his care is not needed or valuable. Quality in general is of secondary importance. The good doctor would be rewarded with non-economic rewards such as rank, prestige, etc.

If you could really build a machine from parts you aquired like that which outproduces the state then clearly something is very wrong with thr state and it should be brought down

>The good doctor would be rewarded
You just said all work is equally valuable, but now equal work is getting extra rewards. Try to stay consistent. Bear in mind that even in an ultra capitalistic society the capital is not the goal of work. You work to get money, but you get money to attract bitches.

>something is very wrong with thr state and it should be brought down
Yes, communism.

How about this, then? I don't build the machine alone. I create a team of fifty people from my friends and family. After a while we come up with a machine or something else to make us all rich. Rich in a communist society.

The ltv assumes average skill and productivity. If your skill or productivity is greater than average then youll get greater rewards. Its difficult to quantify skill but there have been proposals from communist thinkers on how to account and reward it.