I just watched Princess Kaguya
Compared to other Ghibli movies, I honestly thought it wasn't that great. It was beautiful, yes, but the storyline was fairly simple and almost seemed like it wasn't the main point of the movie.
Yet, at the end of the movie, I still felt strangely emotional desu...
I thought the buddha part was really cool
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That's because it's literally just the Kaguya legend in anime form.
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I've been meaning to rewatch it at some point, but I don't have the dvd with me.
Anyway, have a best girl
It was super boring. Only people I know who like this are normie hipsters who literally go to art schools and their whole taste in movies is based on what newspaper critics say or what's popular at the Oscars.
But honestly, Ghibli has been putting out one garbage fire after another since Ponyo, itself pointless, stupid, and dull. I would say the decay started around Spirited Away when they decided to give up on anything original in order to just push out beautifully animated but shallow and boring crap with the same tired environmentalist message and nostalgic pining for "simpler times."
The best animated movie I've seen up until Yoru wa Mijikashi recently was probably GuP because that at least knew how to be entertaining.
>muh fun
Plebes out
>Compared to other Ghibli movies, I honestly thought it wasn't that great
How odd, in my opinion outshines every other Ghibli movie.
It was much better than whatever garbage Hosoda movie people were jerking off at the time. I think Wolf Children.
GuP movie was legitimately good but your opinion on this film is garbage. Best film Ghibli made since Sprited Away and one of the best they have made overall.
It was boring. It didn't do anything new. It was a beautiful movie and there was nothing wrong with it, but it wasn't high art or anything. There was nothing special about it. It's just kind of there. It's like that Irish cartoon about the mermaid or whatever, technically neat but ultimately shallow.
Spirited Away is overrated as fuck, main character just kind of blunders her way through a world that is, again, beautifully animated but pretty much just a bunch of barely connected random events, and then at the end it's unclear if she even remembers any of it clearly. Millennium Actress, which came out the same year, was a far superior film, because it had a clear purpose and multilayered story, more than just visual dazzle.
You are free to disagree with me.
wait what is GuP
Girls und Panzer: der Film.
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>beautifully animated
I used to think this but after I tried to rewatch it with some family a week ago I was shocked at how badly it aged.
>didn't do anything new
I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean as a criticism?
Anyway I think the film did a great job of taking a threadbare Japanese folktale and adapting it into a story that made sense visually, thematically, had interesting characters and was emotionally engaging. I don't think there was much shallow about it at all, perhaps it isn't particularly complex, but complexity isn't the same as depth. I'm a sucker for anything that oozes a lot of mono no aware type vibes though too and Kaguya is absolutely full of it. I mean you say it is beautifully animated but its not as if that is just window dressing in this context, part of the whole point of the film is about acknowledging the beauty of things, the impermanence of that and our inability to do anything in the face of it.
Spirited Away is probably my favourite Miyazaki film and I have never understood the fairly common criticism of the events being barely connected and random. The progression of the narrative is quite clear to me. It definitely isn't particularly deep or meaningful or anything like that in any sense but I don't really think that is much of a requirement to be a good film. I would say it is certainly as entertaining if not more so than the example of GuP which you called good on the basis of being entertaining. Not going to take anything away from Millennium Actress though its great.
You are just wrong.
Daily reminder that Miyazaki is a sociopathic piece of shit with zero empathy.
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It's just boring. Again, like that mermaid cartoon, Song of the Sea or whatever. Or Secret of Kells. They look neat but there's not much to it. It's just a straight retelling of an old as fuck legend. It's alright, but not worthy of the praise it gets.
Spirited Away never impressed me aside from the animation. I get the feeling people were only so amazed by it because it was foreign and well animated, so it was like Fantasia for newfags.
He acted like a piece of shit but he has a point there
Yeh I can agree with that. Beautifully animated, delight on the eyes, but nothing you'd remember in the long run.
I wasn't bored at all by the film? You probably aren't going to find yourself on the edge of your seat or excited by the action sure but it was plenty interesting to watch the story unfold for me and found plenty of emotional engagement with what was there. If you think it is just a retelling of an old legend you should go try actually read the legend. It doesn't even have characters with motivations as such, very barebones and allegorical story.
I think ultimately though it is Ghibli's most Japanese film in the sense of being steeped in Japanese culture and aesthetics from the ground up conceptually, narratively and visually. The wabi-sabi type aesthetic is there in the simplicity and economy of the story, and visually in things like the controlled imperfections in the line work, and mono no aware as I have explained previously is thematically a big focus of the film along with being beautifully animated. In that sense I would unironically say it is actually one of the few anime that is actually close to being high art in the cultural way and in the way of the vision of the artist. It is a rare thing in anime where a piece is conceptually, visually and narrtively cohesive to one overall guiding philosophy.
I don't think even half of the critics that praised it saw it in that way though. Rather just that it was a beautiful looking film from a lauded studio with a serious tone and had a culturally respectable source material. I don't think the majority of them would have even had an understanding of Takahata as a director to contextualise it either.
>I wasn't bored at all by the film?
Why are you phrasing this like a question, are you some kind of woman?
The implied question is that I don't understand how he would be.
I can't force you to be entertained by the movie and I agree that Millennium Actress is better than Spirited Away but just saying "it's boring" is a pretty weak argument and just makes you look like you want to shit on the movie for no reason.
>He acted like a piece of shit but he has a point there
What point exactly? He was just being a cunt because he knows he can get away with it.
What are you confused by? That someone could find the movie boring but you didn't? It was a dull and forgettable movie. It wasn't all that special. You can talk all you want about Japanese wabi-sabi and cultual whatever, but at the end of the day it's a movie that feels too long by half an hour and is visually stunning but extremely dry. It is a cultural novelty, its historical and cultural value is all it has.
Something like the aforementioned Millennium Actress is intensely cultural yet at the same time capable of telling a universal story of unrequited love, at the same time there's multiple layers to the narrative, with a single character's life serving as a guide through decades of Japanese history. Shit like Ponyo, Kaguya, Spirited Away, it's beautiful but shallow.
Plebs think Takahata's films are boring but they have so much more emotional depth and artistic merit than most anime directors can conceive of (yes that even includes Kon). The visual amalgamation of Japanese folklore, Frederic Back's style, CG experimentation, Japanese New Wave and Takahata's culmination as a director just goes over their head. They identify the worth of a film by the barebones plot and surface themes observed through merely a close reading
I'm not confused at all and I never said I was. I said I didn't understand why you thought it was boring. The rest of your post is just entirely wrong besides the part praising Millennium Actress. Ultimately I don't think its the film that is shallow in this case just your experience and understanding of it and likely you yourself.
If he's so good how come he's so boring?
OK, you don't have to agree with me. I just thought it was boring.
The point is that animators must study from life. The love for motion and creation, the sense of wonder. A machine, in his eyes, doesn't have that. What he saw was a proto of something he saw as an insult to the thing he loves most. Sure he acted like a dick and didn't see opportunity in it, but frankly the dude is probably the last person you'd want to show this to. They should've known better. What they showed him was trash.
>if you don't like to draw or animate why do you want to be in the animation industry
is basically his response
Because you lack comprehension,
"Do things my way or fuck you, also my friend is sick" is not argument, the entire point of the presentation was to show off how a computer would do things without the lack of human preconceptions and it succeeded at that.
I don't know if those guys are just programmer or if they can actually animate but that doesn't mean they have to follow traditional means to reach their goals. It's like shitting on photographers because they use machines to depict landscapes instead of painting them.
Your mind is barren if you think Princess Kaguya is boring, trite, old, whatever. You're just pitifully barren and stupid.
Are you retarded? Why bother inventing a strawman who didn't "understand it" to demonize the film instead of making actual points when you're talking to people in this very thread who enjoy it?
Obviously I'm not talking about those people, retard. It was a civil conversation until you decided to come in here slinging your shit around.
You haven't made a single cognizant point aside from "it's boring" and "normies" like it.
When confronted with actual opinions you just insult people.
Where's the insult? I even said people are free to disagree with me. You want to see an insult? Look at some of the people defending the movie, one of which is probably you If you think it's a great movie, then fine. I didn't. I have my opinion and others can have theirs. That's how mature adults do things. You're the one getting offended like a little bitch. None of the people prior to you was so offended by my "insults"
Fuck off.
How is that insulting? Because he said pleb? You're questioning the masculinity of people you've never met over their choice in punctuation instead of, you know, actually using your brain for once. Real mature.
Sorry you're such a little butthurt bitch getting offended on other peoples' behalf. You can't have a conversation like the rest of us so I'm not going to bother talking to you. Enjoy being a retard, alone.
While we're on the topic of petty insults, why is every single one of your posts
formatted with a space between the post you're replying to and your text? Why does every idiot on this site do this all of a sudden?
Really liked it. Cried at the end desu.
Yeah I would agree with this. It's certainly a great movie but it's underwhelming in light of past works. Art style is a retread of Tanabe's Yamadas. Characters are little more than ciphers and the story lacks the complex interpersonal relationships you'd see in Only Yesterday. I hate to hate on it because it really is a marvelous film, it's just low-tier in Takahata's filmography. I feel most people gravitate towards it because of its recency in conjunction with Takahata's perennial underdog status in relation to Miyazaki.
I prefer this rendition of the classic tale myself.
Miyazaki didn't make this film