What is the best

what is better? Jiu Jitsu or go to the gym?

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Both. If you’re a fat shit and you know jiu jitsu you won’t last long. If you’re fit but don’t know how to defend yourself then you won’t last long.

Just get a gun and start doing IDPA.

You need to lift in addition to training a martial art.

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both , frend
also muay thay brings quick results

lifting, jujitsu only works in a fight. Lift and people won't try to fight you, plus it has so many other advantages

This. Must Thai is amazing

I have an bjj master but he is lazy and don't explain good,is the most shitter master...

>I have an bjj master but he is lazy and don't explain good,is the most shitter master...

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>checks out
autocorrect kicked in kek

CQC

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Some BJJ gyms have weights too, can't go wrong with doing both though.

I felt stronger and healthier when I was doing jiu jitsu than when I was lifting. I might have been a little bigger lifting, but I felt much better doing BJJ and was learner

both are good mentally, both will damage you physically when taken to the extremes.

I've had 2 blown ACL's in the last 8 years of bjj (purple belt) and the lifting causes few major but many long term injuries if you're not juiced to fuck (i dont take steroids and i've learnt that basically means you need to rest a LOT, and i never do).

If you're going to do either of them, especially if you do both, make stretching a large part of your evening (like 30 mins MINIMUM)

t. beentheredonethat 32 year old

learning Jiu Jitsu involves going to the gym.. That said, learning techniques like Jiu Jitsu or Freestyle Wrestling are going to do you worlds more good than simply getting ripped and trying to just fisticuffs someone when you have no actual fight training.

Just buy a gun you fucking loser. What, do you think your pathetic Bruce Lee shit can stop a bullet? I'd like to see you try.

What are you going to do when someone is 40 feet away with a gun?

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>jew jitsu
500 ways to hit another man's dick.
>inb4 that's not what it is
Fuck off JIDF homos

jew jitsu.

Maybe he needs something as an American High School student, being that he's in a gun free zone.

>500 ways to hit another man's dick.
Good one, I was thinking more

>how to roll around on the floor with a dude's dick in your face but somehow no homo

unironically this, but also learn to use heavy blunt weapons

but every fighter who wants to actually fight someone is a ju jitsu and freestyle wrestling practicioner. If you can't defend yourself on the ground you're done. Striking only takes you so far.

>Jiu Jitsu or go to the gym?
yes

Muay Thai.

go to the gym...

goyim...

Only closeted fags would look at BJJ and think it's gay. Wrestling is the master race sport from the Spartans to the Hitler youth.

being a faggot is NOT politics

gym is for closeted homos who like peacocking around other men and martial arts are for either professionals or faggots who got too much into DBZ and decided to quit a week after.

Grab a shovel and an axe. Learn to fix. Humility pays.

Judo.

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Can't wield that shovel very long when your body starts to break down.
How do you keep your body from breaking down earlier in life?
By working out.

eh idk, I'm a country guy so I've never had to worry about looking wiry

>grabs an axe and learns to fix
>gets comfy
>some kike lawyer steals your shit, backed up by state heavies.
Security is paramount. To be truly autonomous you must be in control of the necessities of life.
If someone can take away your your water, food, air...then you have to do what they want or die, and you are no more than a slave, and will never be at peace. To be your own farmer, first you must be a warrior.
This is not to say that you will succeed. But if you literally cannot fight for what is yours by right, then you will definitely fail. It's surprising how often people will back off because the defendant is willing to go to more extremes than the assailant. There's a reason why there is a "leave me alone" snake on the Gadsen flag.
If your counter argument is "The state will protect me" then you ARE a slave, with a slave mentality.
Learn to fight, and most of the time, people will leave you alone. There's something in the eyes that tells them it's not going to end well.

Must Thay is retarded you'll end up crippled in your 40.

I still have bumps on my shins from doing it 10 years earlier , it's an adaptation to crack other peoples bones, not a crippling

Best for what? This question is just crap.

both

BJJ is crazy unhygenic and gay.

yellow belt (just started 6 months ago) karate shotokan practicer here.
is karate (except kyokushin) really that useless?

Don't do BJJ. Try take someone to the ground in a street fight and you'll get your head stomped on by his mate.

Muay Thai and clinch fighting is the best for self defense on the street. Grab someone's neck, pull their head down and then break their orbital with an elbow and it's over.

This is bullshit. No one will expect you to compete, train for ten hours a day like a Thai or kick through palm trees.

You can expect a lot of bruises and strains though. Which is not a bad thing since it makes you understand that you're not made of glass and kinda tackles your fear of a physical altercation.

Muay Thai combined with some weight training and calisthenics is god tier.

I wouldn't say it's useless, but it has some downsides if you want to be effective and adequate against your average bar/street/club drunk moron. Cons include not pivoting for punches, not using the torque of your torso when striking, some rigid, wide-as-hell and incredibly ineffective stances such as zenkutsu dachi and kiba dachi.

Full contact kyokushin is alright, but I've found kickboxing and muay thai more to my liking despite the fact I was an insane weeb when I was younger and used to love Jap martial arts.

Muay Boran is the master race of martial arts.

I used to do shotokan,one lad from the club was ganged up on in the street.
He did a gedan barai and a kiai and the gang shit it and ran off.
Funniest thing ever..how to defeat your enemy without a single blow.

>rolling around in your pajamas with your legs wrapped around another man
Muay Thai is the shit

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non-brazilian jujitsu is good too to learn quick responses to situations
check out excellent 8-bit burmese television slomo-highlights with added sound @ 3:20 here :
youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0MTp9ggEY

Tacky, but lots of heart. The spirit of Southeast Asia! youtube.com/watch?v=dunjKsmkNAs

Gym is degenerate, martial arts are wholesome.

This has been known for over 2000 years, the Romans and Greeks already discussed it.

Then why do almost no martial arts champions lift?

Most American thinking:
>Champions do A
>Don't do A, better do B

>sanda
>a lot of money
Explain pls, trained back in Latvia for 3 years for 30 euros a month and could go every day

it's the tv-standards for replays in SEA, except thailand, I personally love it

Are you training a martial art to play in a competition for points, or to slay niggers in the streets?

It's very useful, you just have to train it correctly. Karate is mostly about being strong and tough and fighting dirty (Eye gouges, ball kicks etc.).

Same. What were you doing in SEA?

started olympic weightlifting last year and it works out really well.
though i don't think i am made for fighting.. i took part in some beginner courses on hema and jiu jitsu and there i realised that i am not a fighter at all. also wanted to check out the mma club in my city but, naturally, i pussied out.

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I'm doing kickboxing right now, but want to move on to muay thai.
Coach says I should stick with kickboxing for awhile since I'm a beginner.
Apparently the gym I go to is notorious for letting students kick the shit out of each other in sparring.
I didn't know at the time, it just seemed to be the place with the most experienced trainers in my area.
They really push the idea of toughness and try to grind you down.
Also lift though.

oh no not been there but all their replays have a fix format , frantic instrumental music + slomo + effects , would like to see those places tho, almost went to bali but broke up with gf before we flew there kek

Not trolling,
Judo seems to be more useful, because BJJ is pretty brutal if you get in a fight on concrete/asphalt (real life defense scenario).
Why is this on /pol?
Good luck

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The latter. But soldiers also don't lift weights.

Why are all those meme things (not krav maga) included under very deadly and also aikido.

How is BJJ more expensive than Judo? BJJ is an offspring of Judo and they use basically the same shit.

Well, you of course have to modify stuff. You aren't gonna a do a double leg on concrete, either. That's why people everywhere used pic related instead. It's the same technique old school jiu jitsu uses (Contrary to popular opinion, Judo didn't take their morote gari from wrestling but from Yoshin ryu).

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I do Judo, it´s a very fun sport and quite effective but it doesn´t have any striking or leg locks.
If you´re planning on becoming some kind of street killer you should add some striking.

MMA
Asían Martial arts are meme, only worth it to learn specific techniques (like going to a taijiquan master to learn some qui'na tantien). MMA is all martial arts stripped of the bullshit.

Gotcha, I want to visit SEA someday too. youtube.com/watch?v=CbqOUp2ZoQg

But BJJ is hip and new, therefore more expensive.
Also, many countries don't have adult hobbyist judo classes, just kids' classes and classes for serious athletes.

Stop copying varg, idiote.

Leg locks are found in old Judo books, eg. Kawaishi. Just train them on your own.

MMA is bullshit, only specialists win in fights. Which is ironically what MMA proved.

Gym, if its weights and cardio. The reasons why is that you get two benefits. One is that you get fit, both strength and cardio. And the other is that you will look better once you gain some muscular growth. BJJ can be useful but it would be better to be strong and look intimidating than to know how to roll better.

Looked it up, yeah jiu jitsu was more expensive.

Also, BJJ doesn't train leg locks either, but this is changing slowly now (Because leg locks > guard passes). Dean Lister's videos are nice.

"Only specialists win in fights"
And you get to specialize in the only thing that actually works.

Not really.

nice sounds

The problem with TMA is that they're not scrappy enough, that's all.
The problem with MMA is that it's basically a schoolyard brawl by nerds for nerds.

There's a reason actual combat athletes only join MMA when they're too washed up to make money with real combat sports. The technical level in MMA is laughable.

You kind of do, you hit harder and can overpower in grappling.
It might fuck with your weight class though if you compete.

Yeah, for me its not really a point of contention with judo, but since i do it myself and love it, i don´t want to be a shill. Leg locks is something BJJ practices and judo doesn´t.

>you hit harder and can overpower in grappling.
Urban legend. No one ever got a stronger punch or harder locks by lifting. It's all technique.
And since lifting uses your body in a different way than fighting, it is actually usually detrimental to fighting because you ingrain bad habits.

MMA boils off all the bullshit martial arts and it pressure tests martial arts in situations where they wouldn´t usually be tested.
It basically proves that different martial arts are effective when employed by different people in different situations and different ways.
There is no simple striking > grappling equation it depends.

>Leg locks is something BJJ practices
Really, you do? That's uncommon, stay with your school then.

History lesson: BJJ traditionally considers leg locks to be "dirty tricks" because they work better than guard passes, but guard passes are BJJ's thing. Back in the 50s, a competing jiu jitsu school (Oswaldo Fadda's jiu jitsu) cleaned up the Gracie style with leg locks, and since then, they hated it.

I do judo, we don´t do leg locks.
Leg locks aren´t allowed in judo, they are in BJJ

It's why you do both and stretch.
Lifting making you inflexible is the real meme.

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The one thing MMA proves is that you're better off learning real combat sports and specializing. The "well rounded" fighter who trains MMA instead of kickboxing or what have you usually loses out against specialists.

Just look at Mayweather vs McGregor, the highest level of MMA striking literally can't hurt a pro boxer.
While, OTOH, we have Fedor, a humble Sambo specialist, who was considered invincible for years.

MMA is too young to have good methods, it needs more time.

>Lifting making you inflexible is the real meme.
Nope, it's the truth. It makes you stiff and slow.

Source: Any fighter who wanted to reach a higher weight class by lifting. Felix Sturm and Lyoto Machida, for example.

Most UFC fights nowadays turns into a sloppy brawl of wrestlers trying to do wrestling/BJJ moves and failing because the opponent knows how to defend against submissions and the fight turns into a shitty boxing match. 5 Minute rounds and shitty cleanup results in bloody fights where the primarily wrestling background fighters try to outbox each other. This happens because submissions and takedowns are ridiculously easy to defend against as long as you have some knowledge of how it works on top of strength and endurance. Kicks aren't used nearly as much as punches because kicks throw you off balance which could result in a takedown. In full mount/guard, submissions are almost never used anymore because of their unreliable nature. Just being on top and wailing your fists at the other guy's head is way better. It looks barbaric because it is. If UFC truly had no rules it would result in people getting maimed by soccer kicks, stomps, and bites. As it is right now, just basic BJJ and wrestling practice is all that's needed. It turns into a boxing fight.

tl:dr If you are going to learn one martial art you should learn boxing or a striking martial art that uses boxing such as Muay Thai.

having mass and strength is great in a wrestling match.

IF

You know how to use it, if you suck at wrestling and you just try to use muscles you´re basically just carrying around weight that makes you tired. you need more air and in a wrestling match you often can´t breathe freely.

we should make a Sup Forums combat teaching cell and make a little repository of basic stuff that works , for the anons who want to get able at self defence

Probably more practitioners in your country?

Aikifag here, I would contend the 'don't like sweating' thread header.
Weights can decrease your flexibility, which could impede your fighting prowess, however I do also do calisthenics and got some dumbells this past christmas, and do a fair bit of cardio.

There's no punches to the head in kyokushin, so they naturally keep their guard low and walk forward face first. This overly aggressive stance will wonk on people that don't know how to fight at all, that are scared, or that are also using kyokushin. Against someone that knows how to fight, you will get one shot.

The only reason people have a hardon for kyokushin is because they spar full contact.

You retard. Mcgregor vs mayweather was a boxing match, not an mma match.

>if you know him jitsu and are a fat shit you will get wrecked


Not true. The more you practice bjj the less energy you use when rolling with people, especially untrained fags.

Also I have seen fat shits wreck entire divisions in large bjj tourneys, beer belly and all.

I´m not an expert at this shit, i do judo and i watch joe rogan don´t take anything i say seriously.

That's because you were stronger and healthier when doing bjj. Most people lift like morons because we can't afford someone with a masters in physical science to teach us how to lift.

i'm just saying we could all chip in

Use my katana obviously.

My katana has been hand folded over 3000 times by an Japanese master swordsman. Master kensei has been trained in a specific sword foldin technique passed down for the past 1000 years. This sword can cut through 12 men at breast height while still being able to cut a feather dlot If down a stream. This is the sword that I will use to cut your bullet from the air and as I appear behind you I will utter: "bothering personal kid". Before cutting you in two.

Russian Sambo

jej

Literally no striking in bjj so maybe you are thinking of your mothers typical Sunday when you are thinking about a bunch of dicks?

Or you're a fag.

Dissominated to the world by Alexander the Great.

we could link to videos with people performing the techniques but really to be able to perform them you have to train to use them. training karate in the kitchen doesn´t mean you can use it in a street fight.

that is one of the biggest reasons aikido is a meme

Did that for a few years. Gets shitcanned a lot, but my old instructor was a hard cunt. Some techniques may not work irl, (can’t see sankyo ever really happening without a good elbow to the face) but I enjoyed it

Only if you are a dirty fag, you dirty fag.