Why don't leftist faggots understand

Leftists, it is this simple for many of us. Those that break the law must be punished. How do you defend breaking the law?

>protip: you can't

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>Im not against immigration
>many of us
wrong

BUT MY FEELINGS!

If liberals actually had a conversation with any of us they'd quickly realize we're probably more culturally "diverse" than they are. Look at the people that actually show up to Sup Forums events. Half of them aren't even white.

It's a narrative dude. They wrap all immigration including illegal immigration into a rhetorical bundle under the reasoning that there is no such thing as "illegal immigration." It's mind games, semantic disputes, and logic fallacies. Ideological smoke and mirrors.

Democrats deported more while they were in power. W. Is the one that allowed this to get out of control.

>muh shills

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Leftists are correct in their intuitive understanding that if you are ok with immigration it doesn't matter if it was legal or not.

Immigration laws exist to keep people out, it's an oxymoron to be for immigration but against illegal immigration.

It's like sending people to jail just because they smoked pot. If they're contributing to society why do you care? If they aren't contributing, non-citizens aren't eligible for benefits. If they are being intentionally delinquent, that's literally what ICE and the cops are for.

Tell me why immigrating without filling out all the paperwork is anything less than a victimless "crime" akin to pot smoking or jaywalking.

I'm against legal immigration and you should kys

>importing non-whites is fine provided they take a test and say a pledge first

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I'm against all immigration outside of Europeans with traceable relatives dating back to 1945 or earlier.

My country has been destroyed by immigration since the 70's because they opened the floodgates to let people from Non-European countries in, but now we can't simply let "European" define who to let in due to Europe now having millions of sandspooks.

Implying that you are against immigration is still racist. It is a code word used by white; anti-immigration is a code word for anti-Mexicans.

Me living in your house I guess is a victimless crime too right?

It's more about bringing in quality, not quantity. The current immigration test would need to be updated of course

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BUT SO LONG AS THEY PAY ALLEGIANCE TO MUH CONSTITUTION

FUCK OFF YOU EUROPEAN STYLE SOCIALIST.

>apples and oranges
Guess you win the argument!

DUDE FUCK LAWS LMAO

lol, there are billion pajeets, another billion wongs.

Even if you narrow immigration down to "educated" you have 100 million people easily.

Simply put, immigration laws exist to keep people out. The illegal/legal distinction is irrelevant in so far as the quantity needs to be reduced.

can I live in part of your house you're not using?

Law is not static. Laws can and have been changed. Just because it's "illegal" doesn't mean it needs or should be. I'm still failing to hear how "BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL REEEEEE" is an argument for deporting brown people indiscriminately.

Define contributing. Illegal immigrant labor is a serious issue in economics if their numbers are great enough. Under the table labor that's not taxed properly, undocumented criminals operating under the table, even people who were coerced via violence to travel to America and grow pot for the cartels in a public park.

No it's not, a country is an extension of your personal space but it's shared by other citizens acting in a collective fashion.

>How do you defend breaking the law?
Not every law is a good law.

Bad laws should not be enforced

Bad laws should be ignored

1) They're not. They're using our roads, flooding our health services, using and destroying our schools, driving down wages, and destroying the economy. Non-citizens might not be eligible for benefits but still use up resources, especially their anchor babies.

You're a shill so I don't expect you to even be capable of critical thinking, but illegal immigration hurts the black community the most. Aren't you supposed to dick ride the blacks? Why aren't you doing anything to help them rise out of poverty/welfare dependence by helping them get entry-level jobs that aren't being taken by illegal immigrants?

FUCK BORDERS AND SHIT LMAO

UNDOCUMENTED CITIZENS ARE FINE DUDE LOL WEED BTW

Remember: Every reasonable ethicist in the last 2500 years ignore laws while talking about ethics.

I only like immigration from certain populations that might look similar to me

Im against excessive non-white immigration

so chinks then

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>apples and pineapples
Do you people even have a concept of size?

>Illegal immigrant labor is a serious issue in economics if their numbers are great enough.
Already there you're admitting this is only a problem if it becomes some (assumed) large proportion of the economy. As it stands, I don't think historic rates of immigrant labor are at any rate to upset the entire economy any time soon.

>Under the table labor that's not taxed properly
It could be taxed if you weren't threatening to deport the people creating earnings for these companies.

>undocumented criminals
Law enforcement has nothing to do with immigration if you ignore the "all immigrants are automatically criminals without paperwork" argument, and it seems like if there was some sort of interim system to track non-citizens in the country would do more to curb crime than just rounding up all the Mexicans.

A country is an arbitrarily defined geographical region typically held together by something resembling a central government that supports the populations of people residing within its borders in some fashion through laws. I fail to see how that monstrous amalgamation in any way resembles a private dwelling as established by the laws of the very country you are trying to compare it to.

What is the Chinese version of "the goyim know, shut it down!"?

illegal immigration is wonderful for America.

It's more or less the closest thing we have to slavery without actually calling it slavery, or for that matter, having to be financially responsible for sheltering and feeding a slave labor force.

They come here and do jobs that citizens don't want.
They pay tons of income and sales tax where applicable, but they aren't citizens, so they never get tax refunds, they can't apply for any kind of government aid, they just make no money and then hand most of it over and never get it back.

>But muh crime
Drug cartels are a league of their own and are fulfilling a demand for degenerates. It's foolish to blame illegal immigration for drug trafficking, the answer to drug trafficking is to stop being degenerate drug users. The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of illegal immigrants are keeping their heads down and are hyper sensitive to petty crime, as they know they'll be deported when caught for even the slightest infraction.

>muh emergency room
Triage exists. The patient with the greatest need goes first. If you've been in a car accident and are bleeding out, they'll run over a dozen mexican kids with broken arms to find you a hospital bed, and if you have a real job and access to real medical care, you aren't worried about the emergency room except in the most dire scenario.

>muh jobs
again, only a concern if you didn't graduate high school. Lupita comes to my house every friday and cleans it from top to bottom floor to floor for 60 bucks. If I have a real job and can afford the luxury of someone else cleaning my house so I can enjoy it when I'm not working, why not? I don't want to do the job and I can afford not to.

Illegal immigration is slavery without having to stand out in the field under the hot sun and sweat and crack the whip. It's not a problem, it's a solution. It's just a more advanced, better form of subjugation.

But user, no human being is illegal.

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Honestly, I stand somewhere in the middle of the left and right.

> I think we SHOULD build a wall
...and up our border control overall. The situation in new mexico is absolutely unconscionable...the cartels should NOT have that kind of presence in our country.

> I think we should let illegals stay if they arrived under the age of 13.

It is similar to squatters rights in my eyes. The onus is on us for keeping illegals out. They never should have been able to stay here that long, but we fucked up.

Honestly, I believe that we could give other illegals the option to stay as well. Anyone who arrived as an illegal above the age of 13, should be given the option to stay. If they serve our country for a minimum of four years in the military. If you love this country...FINE...prove it. Spend the equivalent length of an undergraduate degree fighting for the country you love.

I think this is the most logical solution.

A country is a geographical region collectively controlled by a group of people ruled by agreed upon laws made by the people, such people would ideallly have the same culture and genetic background.

It's very much an extension of private property and its arbitrary only in so far as you can lose control of it.

>Already there you're admitting this is only a problem if it becomes some (assumed) large proportion of the economy
"Large" is a vague relative term. 100,000 can be large, or it can be small depending on the scheme of things. Do I know what the magic number is? No, but the fact we don't make any effort to find that out is part of the problem.
>I don't think historic rates of immigrant labor are at any rate to upset the entire economy any time soon.
Nothing is ever that dramatic. No one factor drags down and ruins an economy. Pragmatism demands shutting down what can be shut down when it can be shut down.

>It could be taxed if you weren't threatening to deport the people creating earnings for these companies.
If it's taxed then they have to be paid minimum wage, which completely destroys the entire point of hiring illegal immigrants as labor.

>Law enforcement has nothing to do with immigration if you ignore the "all immigrants are automatically criminals without paperwork" argument, and it seems like if there was some sort of interim system to track non-citizens in the country would do more to curb crime than just rounding up all the Mexicans.
Don't be ridiculous. Law enforcement has everything to do with immigration. If any asshole can walk over the border then any asshole will. Drugs and drug related violence are nothing new to border communities. The Mexican Cartels are half in bed with the Mexican government as-is.

>this whole post

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>I want whites to be replaced with LEGAL immigration
Fuck off and die cuckservative

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Obama administration focused on criminals and adults with no children. They left children and families with no criminal histories alone.

what if I just sneak in and you don't know I'm there?
and what if I contribute?
>sometimes you come home and the dishes are done or the trash got taken out but you don't remember doing it
then what if you found out i was there years later?
you would let me stay right?

Tbh I think we should cut legal immigration in half too. These millennial fags are paying five-six figures to go to college, we should give them something to do over some wog import.

The US has been reduced from 99% white to 56% white in about 50 years. The overwhelming majority of that post-1965 mass immigration has been "global south" 3rd worlders, primarily mestizos (who make up an even larger share of the illegal immigrant population, which now accounts for between 3-9% of the total population residing in the US). The average IQ of mestizos are significantly lower than that of the European ethnicities that make up the traditional American stock (their rates of criminality and social deviance are fsr hugher); we have an enormous amount of case studies for heavily mestizo nations in Latin Ameica, and every single one of them, is an insolvent, crime-ridden, impovereshed country. No statistic is more consistently positively correlated to national prosperity than average IQ; when the US has the demographics and average IQ of Brazil, it will have the living standards of Brazil.

Moreover, racially pluralistic, multicultural societies, wether on the scale of cities or countries, experience social isolation, the erosion of social trust and virtue, and and a decline in civic participation. People trust each other less and care about their communities less. Competition between disparate primate tribes is hardcoded into our DNA, and it diesnt dissapear when you take two hominid populations separated by tens of thousands of years of evolution, drop them within the boundaries of the same administrative zone, and tell them that theyre now a nation.

>Those that break the law must be punished. How do you defend breaking the law?

oh no, these horrible things called people are coming across the border, quick lets build a wall.

Lmao Canada doesn't have any illegal immigration because they have laws that protect people on humanitarian grounds.

It's a non issue and it should stop being politicized.

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I'm against all immigration at this point. My wife is an Asian immigrant and also against all immigration after being red pilled.

She has several dozens of friends from her childhood overseas through college here in the US. All but maybe 1 or 2 are fucking communists who share absolutely no American values. They want to ban guns and "hate speech". They don't believe in the constitution at all, and demand open borders.

Seriously, all but MAYBE 1-2 out of several dozen, maybe even more than 100. They come here to get paid in American dollars, all while trying to change our country to be exactly like the shithole country they left.

Close it right down. Don't even bring whites from countries that they've already allowed to be destroyed. America for the Americans, everyone else can fuck off and die for all I care.

It was 89% white in the late 1980's, when I was born.

kek.

Whites are a minority in California yet it's the most powerful state in the Union with a 6 billion dollar surplus.

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whoops- 90% white, not 99.

It is worth noting that prior to 1965, 99% of the popularion was either white or the descendants of the slave population. The ides of a racially pluralistic US open to mass global immigration is an extremely new idea.

Several dozen MIGRANT friends, I meant. Migrant friends from her home country, then of course, she came here and made friends with a bunch of immigrants from some foreign student group she was apart of in college. All post nothing but lefty bull shit that goes completely against all traditional American values.

Redpill for boomer and good goy GO(y)P supporters

The "melting pot" immigration of the early 1900's made America whiter because it was almost entirely from Europe. That's not even a fucking joke. America was almost 90 percent white from 1920-1960. The term "melting pot" in reference to immigration was created by a Jewish playwright named Israel Zangwill. (His fucking name was Israel!) The inscription added to the Statue of Liberty post-hoc was written by a Jew named Emma Lazarus. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was proposed by a Jewish senator named Emanuel Celler. Jews are at the heart of America's demographic problem. We aren't becoming a minority in the country our ancestors founded because black people or native american's are growing in size. Those groups are still fairly small. We're becoming a minority because of large numbers of non-whites being allowed to enter the country. We're becoming a minority because of white people being told it would be irresponsible to have kids and then told decades later that they need to let in massive amounts of non-whites to compensate for a low birth rate? Do you think this is a fucking coincidence? The fact that whites are told one generation not to reproduce and then told another generation that we have to take in immigrants because white people aren't reproducing. This is fucking madness. Feel free to look up everything I've said and then spread it to others. Everything in this post is powerful red-pilling material.

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I'm not even fully white

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Why is Liberal California the Poverty Capital of America?

Awesome, I can't wait to be a poverty ridden shithole.

This.

They understand. You are dealing with people that have no morals or principles. Only the illusion of them so they can use it to destroy you. They must be eradicated from the political arena. Never to be given the ears of the masses. They cannot be reasoned with, they don't care if they are called hypocrites. THEY DON'T CARE and neither should you.

When Israel Zanowill came up with the "melting pot" expression, Germans were the largest immigrant group. German was the US' unofficial second language and there were millions of pure-blooded Germans in the country, as well as differentiated Italian, Irish, Anglo-Saxon, French, Dutch, and some Slavic communities. Blacks and Hispanics were a managed minority, with vigilante violence supplementing the law. Furthermore, immigration quotas designed to keep the US majority European weren't overturned until 1965, when Jewish New York representative Emmanuel Celler proposed and managed to pass the immigration and nationality act of 1965.

California remains part of a white majority US; it is not a nation- its governance, civic structures, reoublican tradition, etc. all come from a nation that is majoroty white, and was uowards of 90% white until extremely recently. It is worth noting that California is the only part of that nation with sidewalks covered in humsn feces, slums of tent cities, and hypodermic needles littering entire blocks of major cities.

An entire world consumes the media prosuced by California, and will continue to do so for some time. But the state is not an upward trajectory.

I’m actually against all immigration, from any country, of any race, of any profession.

So are you for making it easier to become a US citizen?

Id rather the immigrants at least say they like the u.s. instead of burning u.s. flags and trying to turn us into mexico

K what if the house was really big?

>historic rates of immigrant labor

What do you think historic rates of immigrant lanor are??? Immigrants and illegal migrants as a share of the total US population are hugher thsn they have ever been in history, and you have to go back more than 100 to find a time when it was even comparable. And those immigrants in the 1900s were overwhelmingly from the same genetic cluster as the native white population, and with significantly higher average IQs than mestizos.

because you hates immigrants in your deep that arent white privilaged as you, thats the reason.

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are you going to leave the attic window open?

Mexico wasn't righteous they were a failing state that hated their dictator. They actually wanted to become a state after we beat them, but we did not move on that because they were South of the slavery line, so it would have give the slave states to much power.

Let's legalize murder. I'm not against killing people, only when it's illegal.

>It could be taxed if you weren't threatening to deport the people
president hussein did not threaten them; does this show up in the tax statistics?