Why is Fate/Apocrypha so much better than Fate/Stay Night UBW and Fate/Zero?

Why is Fate/Apocrypha so much better than Fate/Stay Night UBW and Fate/Zero?

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Because it actually has a decent MC and interesting personalities

Are you guys memeing or is this actually true? I dropped it after three episodes because it seemed like garbage.

Am I having a stroke? Did I jump to another dimension?

Oh and also, how can anime have a personality?

It's to do with the fact that Apocypha focuses on the "gimmick" of the Fate series (Servants and anime magic) more so that than Stay and Zero (Grand Order also does this, though with more Gacha)
I don't see how you can like Sieg and not like Shirou (and vise versa).

Both of them have legitimate reasons for being so autistically bland at the start of their stories (Sieg being a homuncli and Shirou suffering severe survivors guilt) and both undergo significant growth. Though its fucking stupid that Sieg that the trigger for Sieg to question humanity value is British kids being thrown in the river Thames for insurance money, even though he and his kind were being disposed of on mass.

Because you want the dragon dick?

We've reached peak Sup Forums.

Oh you.

Because oldies hate it and there is no Saberslut there

Because it has more waifus and twice the amount of servants.

Is this the bait thread?

You are being memed. Hard.

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Sieg is a legal shota searching for a reaon to live Shirou is just the Gary Stu MC harem protagonist

>Shirou
>Gary Stu
Nigga Shirou keeps constantly fucking shit up and is basically called insane and retarded by the whole cast (and readers), he's far from being a gary stu.

This bait is bad and you should feel bad.
Next time try saying that it's better than ubw only.

>Apo secondaries actually do exist
Also:
>Sieg
>shota

>this is what Apobabies actually believe

What a well thought out and clever response! Have an upvote.

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>on mass

It’s because Sieg is super fucking boring.

DEEN's F/SN still better than those, even with it's elaborate mashups. It's music what makes it. That said the VN is still superior to it's offsprings.

OP you're fucking shit at this.
Fate/Apocrypha is singe best and perfect piece of Art that human mind can create, and
I'm downloading UTW episode to crunchyroll, because it's updates quality of the video.

Don’t forget that if you don’t use Crunchyroll, you are literally murdering animators.

I want Arturia to give Gray headpats while Mordred is forced to watch!

Delete

three weeks homonculi
Even being a retard doesn´t stop him to become a seigi no mikata in various rutes where he fucks the three main girls.

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How did Sieg obtain Galvanism from Fran again, user?

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Read the fucking novel.

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He died then got hit by her exploding.

That doesn't explain how actually he got an entirely different skill from her.

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This was one of the worst things I ever watched

Its interesting to see how despite all three having the same friggin premise, because they're all done by a different writer, there are people that treat one like a masterpiece and another like its garbage.

To be honest, I'm only still watching this show because of Maya Sakamoto's voice. It's kinda soothing for me

Convince me to pick this series up again. I dropped it after the first episode cause it just seemed like a lame, lower-budget cash-grab trying to piggyback off of the success of UBW.

Because of the great character design (pic related), the clever story and interesting characters with great backstorys.
Also, the sound is fantastic, those overdrive/distortion sounds whenever anything somewhat loud happens absolutely don't get annoying,would never damage your speakers or hurt your ears and are totally awesome because MLG!

>those overdrive/distortion sounds whenever anything somewhat loud happens absolutely don't get annoying
It was at this moment that user knew, he fucked up.

If you like seeing servants clashing with each other then pick it up.

Give it another shot if you like seeing potentially interesting characters pushed to the sidelines.

>A-1fags this delusional

its a fun fate action story what are you actually looking for from it.

It is not as good as zero but its still better than 99% of anime

Probably because it's not. Plot is trash, animation is garbage, script is a cringefest.

To be fair, you have to have a VERY high IQ to understand Fate/Apo. The sheer complexity of its writing would go over most people's heads.

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Go fuck yourself with your shitty bait.

>I don't see how you can like Sieg and not like Shirou (and vise versa).
SN is structured to examine and challenge Shirou's morality.

Apoc is structured to make Sieg.look cool.

t.brainlet

I tried to rewatch this with the dub. And everyone does a pretty good job. But Jesus Christ is it still just as dull.

>t.brainlet
Stop.

I don't get it.

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It’s because the author thought he didn’t have enough bullshit powers yet.

>still better than 99% of anime
The industry isn't in such a sad state

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>lower-budget cash-grab trying to piggyback off of the success of UBW
That's exactly what it is, fampie. It doesn't even come close to F/0 or UBW in terms of everything.

>dropped it after the first episode
you are weak and you will not survive the winter

Actual question; how is apocrypha so terrible? Between the waifubait, pedoshit, and trap for days and the terrible character development and pacing I'm just seriously alarmed this belongs to the same series. Like it's the epitome of generic anime "save the world, humans are bad" forced drama shit you see in anime that doesn't know how to evoke any actual emotion. Like Jack the Rippers whole episode or two were absolutely cringe, and we're only surprising to the perspective of the MC who's not even human so he doesn't know shit.

Like it's so bad, it hurts.

I think Nasu has basically checked out.

>not as good as zero
The only Fate release that was worse was that awful Fate/Grand Order movie.
And being better than that is no achievement, even the first 3 episodes of SAO I endured were better than that pile of complete garbage.
Shit, Michael Bay, Uwe Boll and Ed Wood using the animation style of the new Berserk series, letting Deviantart users animate it and being produced by A1 Pictures could make a better Fate adaptation than Fate/Grand Order: First Order.

Nasu didnt even write this shit.

Because its a cheap cashgrab.
I don't know why you faggots keeps insisting on watching/reading everything Fate related when the last good thing released was Hollow/Ataraxia.

>Between the waifubait,
Every Fate has waifubait. You'd be deluding yourself otherwise.
>the terrible character development and pacing I'm just seriously alarmed this belongs to the same series.
There are just too many characters, for a 2 cour show. I mean in total Apo has around 25 characters. Zero has 16 and Stay Night has 15. Its not surprising that most of the Red Masters succumbed by the poison as an excuse to cut down the already big cast.
>Like it's the epitome of generic anime "save the world, humans are bad"
Except both Zero and Stay Night have this theme as well.
>we're only surprising to the perspective of the MC who's not even human so he doesn't know shit.
He doesn't know shit because he's literally a new born baby. Then again who thought that having him as an MC was a good idea.

That’s the point. He could have demanded better writing or wrote something himself. Instead he let’s this shit be part of the franchise.

Do you really think Nasu gives a shit at this point?

He still supervised it. So whilst he didn't write it himself, he still approved it.

The problem is they turned everything up to 11. They doubled the servants, they added way more waifus, they boosted the average servant power level. They focused on the superficial shit rather than interesting characters and good writing.

I don't. I've literally only seen Zero, UBW, and garden of sinners(which I'm not sure if that's even fate) because honestly I despise VN and the rest of the animes seem like pedobait.

I'm only going off anime but,

>Every Fate has waifubait

But it isn't this blatant or extreme. Zero had like 2 waifus at best, Saber and the homonculus chick. UBW had more, but they weren't blatantly sexualized, given cute fanservicey moments or anything for the most part, it mainly focused on the story.

>Zero and UBW do the same

I'de argue they don't, and if they do it's not as blatant. Every other thing that pops up in this anime is a "we gotta stop it it's world ending!" creation. The other two seem like an actual fight for the grail for the most part, and the focus seems more heavy on character development than that point.

Also yeah, the MCs perspective is absolutely unpalatable. The shit he goes through and most the characters go through aren't dramatic, I don't give a fuck. Atleast with Zero and UBW the homunculus kids strife was sad, and Zero's MC had an actually dramatic background, that was perpetuated by how you saw him through the show.

Nah, he’s set for life.

Type Moon essentials:

>Kara no Kyoukai - The Garden of Sinners
>Tsukihime - Blue Blue Glass Moon, Under The Crimson Air
>Tsukihime Fun Disc - Kagetsu Tohya
>Fate/stay night
>Fate/zero
>Fate/hollow ataraxia
>Mahoutsukai no Yoru - Witch on the Holy Night
>Fate/EXTRA
>Fate/EXTRA CCC

If it isn't listed here, then it is trash.

Nice bait. I'm going to assume it's bait because the alternative is that you're retarded, and i don't want to believe that about you OP.

> I despise VN
>animes
>pedo bait
>waifubait
People like you shouldn't be allowed to post on Sup Forums

>wanting this board to be absolute trash

I don't want that and that's why you gotta go.

This show was easier to binge than Zero. Sound design is godawful, animation is pretty okay. Watched if for Astolfo, stayed for Mordred and Jeanne and Sieg.
anime only

>The problem is they turned everything up to 11. They doubled the servants.
The idea of having a 7v7 war was fine. It just would have needed more time to flesh things out.
> they added way more waifus
Not that many more, there's around 5-6 (if you include the trap) in Apo compared to 3 in Zero & Stay Night.

>they boosted the average servant power level.
Not really. Apo has some of the weakest servants in the franchise so far. Only Karna & Achilles can compare to Gilgamesh.

>They focused on the superficial shit rather than interesting characters and good writing.
Apo's main focus really is the clash between the servants. I mean the beta for Apo was an MMO afterall. Considering Zero and Stay Night had focus on things outside the servant battles.


>but they weren't blatantly sexualized
I know you're only talking about the anime here but do remember that Fate started with an eroge VN, which had more sexualisation than anything from Apo.
>given cute fanservicey moments or anything for the most part, it mainly focused on the story.
Nah the first half UBW, had its fan-service moments when Rin took Shirou out on a date for example.

>Every other thing that pops up in this anime is a "we gotta stop it it's world ending!" creation. The other two seem like an actual fight for the grail for the most part, and the focus seems more heavy on character development than that point.
In both Zero and Stay Night the grail has been corrupted by an abomination that wants to destroy the world because it hates humans. In Apo its stopping a madman from brainwashing everybody.
>it's not as blatant.
That you are correct on. In Zero no one knew about the grail being corrupted until the very end and in Stay Night Shirou & co don't find out till the final days of each route.

>Zero's MC had an actually dramatic background, that was perpetuated by how you saw him through the show.
They should of had Kairi as the MC really.

Also consider their original mediums and authors. Urobuchi is a big name. His Fate novel would have sold no matter what.
FSN is an Ecchi VN. It needed waifus and sex scenes. But it had 50 hours of gameplay to deliver them, and the three routes that needed to be programmed also demanded lots of character depth.
Apocrypha was a Light Novel by a relatively unknown author. The amount of waifubait and the idea of upping the ante in the war by having 14 participants might have been ideas to try to sell it.

Also, note that the anime is only being produced because it has the most characters that were unknown to the fans of the Mobile Game, not because it is the Third Best Fate or anything like that.

>VN

arguably not anime

>pedo bait/waifubait

Literally what's wrong with this board/anime in general. Anime/Japan is cool because they can come up with and create really absurd interesting ideas, but there's also so much that's oversaturated with this "cute girl doing X" shit, or just out of place fanservice in general. Maybe if you're dim you find that type of stuff conducive to making a good show but it's the equivalent to Megan Fox shaking her ass in a Michael Bay film. It's unnecessary. You are actively showing your lack of confidence in your idea if you yield to sex appeal in your show or manga to sell it (unless that's part of the joke, like Prison School, Shimoneta, or something).

Yeah, I get where it comes from, but I would argue there's plenty of people who have, and will, watch the anime without knowing of the VNs. I saw UBW forever ago, but even with Rin/Shirou's relationship I remember it was atleast semi built up, that being said I enjoyed UBW way less than Zero.

>Kairi should have been MC

I thought he was going to be in the first episode, was pretty disappointed desu.

>Anime was made to promote the Mobile Game
That's pretty gross.

>Carnival Phantasm isn't on list

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Apocrypha feels like if they just took a fanfic and decide to make an anime out of it because at this point they don't even know what to milk anymore

I watch it for Astolfo and Mordred.

I wonder if you people realized how personal the fights became ever since the Grail had been stolen.

You seem to be forgetting that at the end of the day fate is still an Otaku franchise. Having waifus and fanservice is natural. Fate/Zero was just an exception to the rule because It was written by Urobutcher.

That's fair, I'm honestly not ragging on the fanservice too much with even apocrypha because while stuff like Jack the Ripper or trapman are cringe, it's generally pretty tame compared to alot of other stuff that's out there. It was more a statement about the industry in general. I just don't like it when half the cast of a show is women for such a blatant reason. Like land of the lustrous or w/e has entire cute girl cast, etc, but it has further appeal than that.

Leaving the plot and horrendous design aside.

How many servants, if any, from this story would you say are worthy of standing on the same grounds as the Zero/Stay Night servants, in terms of noble phantasms and personality/motivations?

karna is pretty cool

OP might be baiting, but Amakusa is unironically better than Emiya Shirou in every single way. Also, Semiramis is the best girl.

If nothing else I appreciate the ruse and admit falling for it. I was foaming at the mouth at the idea of Kotomine Shirou who looks like Redman, but his actual identity reveal was pretty cool.

If you're a braindead fate fan who just like seeing historic figures turned into little girls pick it again dude

As a filthy secondary my main issue when I tried to watch this is that it just didn't have that same aesthetic.

Why so many people shit on Siegfried's design when Atalanta and Karna are ten times worse?

Atlanta’s pisses me the fuck off.