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do you know that there are liberty and democracy in many countries without having this in your home?

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Count dankula learned of this the hard way.

Have you yet realized we don’t give a fuck what you do to yourselves in your countries?

>liberty and democracy
You have the illusion of those things, the same way we do. But if they're taken from you, you have no recourse.

>Count dankula
ohhhhhh a stupid youtubers got in problem because a video of a dog hitler, democracy and liberty is gone

so if the guy would have had an ar15 he would have been able to post the video and not being accused?

no, you don't care, that's for sure, look at history

Freedom to own weapons is always tied in with freedom overall, such as freedom of speech.

and you think stupid people militia would stand a chande against an army???

Afghanistan against the USSR
Vietnam against the USA
Taliban are still holding out

And so on

in my country there is freedom of speech too

only stupid rappers and lefties saying things in favor to terrorism or things like that have problems

>only

There you go, not freedom.

As soon as you have a "but...," you've lost it.

>Afghanistan against the USSR
shieeettt those anti aircraft missiles came from nowhere....

Don't forget you're talking to US-Americans here, basically being the special bus of countries.

>but muh weapons

I'm not allowed to deny holocaust or talk about polish death camps
how is that liberty?

you can say things like "I hope the terrorist kill the king..." or say things that incite to violence

>There you go, not freedom.
They have the freedom to excersise their speech, but they are not exempt from the consequences because of

>muh free speech with no consequences to my actions

Do you think a gun would help you with that? el oh el

yes but you do not live with a bunch of rasis honkeys

I meant CAN'T, you can't say things like that, but you can have your opinion in what you want

Just which army do you imagine we would need to stand against?

OP is saying that liberty can exist without guns
and I'm saying that at least in Poland it doesn't

Of course you can say it. You'll just have to be ready to face the consequences.

You know, in a democratic state with the rule of law and all that, how horrible that must be.

Your current government seems to be pretty retarded anyway

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this happened like some weeks ago

imagine changing definition of freedom of speech so it would fit your political views

Listen, you fantastically retarded motherfucker. I'm going to try to explain this so that you can understand it.
You cannot control an entire country and its people with tanks, jets, battleships and drones or any of these things that you so stupidly believe trumps citizen ownership of firearms.
A fighter jet, tank, drone, battleship or whatever cannot stand on street corners. And enforce "no assembly" edicts. A fighter jet cannot kick down your door at 3AM and search your house for contraband.
None of these things can maintain the needed police state to completely subjugate and enslave the people of a nation. Those weapons are for decimating, flattening and glassing large areas and many people at once and fighting other state militaries. The government does not want to kill all of its epople and blow up its own infrastructure. These are the very things they need to be tyrannical assholes in the first place. If they decided to turn everything outside of Washington D.C. into glowing green glass they would be the absolute rulers of a big, worthless, radioactive pile of shit.

is that a spanish shield i read some blurb about arrested catalonian govt ppl if you don't want immigrants don't start oil wars too bad so sad sorry i have my own problems

Police are needed to maintain a police state, boots on the ground. And no matter how many police you have on the ground they will always be vastly outnumbered by civilians which is why a police state it is vital that your police have automatic weapons while the people have nothing but their limp dicks.
BUT when every random pedestrian could have a Glock in their waistband and every random home owner an AR-15 all of that goes out of the fucking window because now the police are outnumbered and face the reality of bullets coming back at them.
If you want living examples of this look at every insurgency that the U.S military has tried to destroy. They're all still kicking with nothing but AK-47s, pickup trucks and improved explosives because these big scare military monsters you keep alluding to are all but fucking useless for dealing with them.
Dumb fuck.

Wew lad, or imagine throwing together all branches of government into one and throw some fit over concentration camps and collaboration of Poles or something

Everytime I try to talk about this issue americans say that arms is to prevent a dictatorship to take over their freedom.

>Freedom of speech exists except when it doesn't and they probably deserved it

>liberty and democracy
This is a republic faggit.

>freedom of speech - the power or right to express one's opinions without censorship, restraint, or legal penalty.
we don't have it, you don't have it but burgers do have it

the dicktatership comes when govt falls apart due to fiat currency and complete lack of tendies guns are v good in this regard

There no such thing as liberty if the government prevents its citizens from owning the means of resistance.

at this point its a war. if they give up guns then it will be sign of libtards taking over. or winning.
besides I dont understand why guns even cars kills people.

And you have landed precisely on the difference of the definition of “Liberties” vs “Rights”. No matter who you are or where you are you have the “Liberty” to say or defend yourself in any way you like. If you are willing to accept the consequences. Which is why America IS exceptional. Our Founders realized that protecting “Liberties” is the ONLY legitimate function of government. This is the bedrock principle that has made us what we are and is exactly why our “enemies domestic” are doing everything they can to tear it down.

>A fighter jet cannot kick down your door at 3AM and search your house for contraband.
>being this dumb

Man, do you dumb down your "argument" for yourself so you can understand it or what's the deal with you being so moron-

oh, look at that flag.

>or legal penalty

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in your country, you can say for example: "I hope ISIS kill donald trump and cut his head" and there is no consequences??

Yeah go on and threaten to murder someone then and let's see about your free speech.

that's the definition of freedom of speech you fucking moron

this is a REPUBLIC, and what is a republic for you dumb amerimutt?

where did you read that?

You can't control a country with drones? fuck off. You walk outside holding a gun, drone shoots you in the head. Done.

You are one stupid motherfucker.

They should be allowed to say things in favour of whatever they please. People should be allowed to view "extremist material" as well.

How are voters meant to make informed decisions if what they can see and what they can discuss are restricted?

ISIS is evil, but we know that because we can see their material. If the government of Britain had its way, we would know nothing about them except that which they told us. Then we would only know the difference between terrorists and puppy handlers if the government wanted us to know. Then if the government was composed entirely of cat people they could wage war on dogs with abandon.

USA is providing that liberty and democracy by winning world wars, destabilizing the middle east, and buying tonnes of cocaine and heroin. It is the world super power. What is the outcome if USA citizens have no guns?

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Prevention of subjugation by Tyranny is what our arms are for. I suppose you are ineloquently arguing we are CURRENTLY subjugated by tyranny which I am not sure I would argue strongly against. Here, we realize that civilian disarmament is not going to result in LESS tyranny.

Why do you care Spainfag?

Yeah and how does that mash with reality? I doubt they'd just leave some lunatic posting to kill Trump unchecked.

>by by winning world wars
>america

please tell me this is bait, no one is this retarded. actually you're probably just underage.

See? That is the entire point. I have the Liberty to say whatever comes to my mind. You literally can not stop me. Our Founders realized this and realized this is the definition of Freedom. I can say whatever the fuck I want and cant be stopped so why bother? Now if I begin to ACT on harming another or depriving THEM of the Liberties we have a problem.

>civilian disarmament
You realize not even the march for our lives people want that, right?

yes, vietnam and the middle east have proven that guerrilla warfare is effective against a modernized military meant to fight nation states

>A fighter jet, TANK, drone, battleship or whatever cannot stand on street corners.

what? you occupy a city with a full army of tanks and profesional soldiers and confiscate weapons. some people can try to fight? yes but they have no chance against a professional army with all type of weapons and unlimited resources.

>I have the Liberty to say whatever comes to my mind.
Same here.

Notice we have libtards threatening to kill Trump on an HOURLY basis. Sure they get a visit by the Secret Service to determine just how significant a threat they are but they almost all go free after the interview.

>You can't control a country with drones? fuck off. You walk outside holding a gun, drone shoots you in the head. Done.
Tell that to the Taliban, who are still alive and kicking, and all they have are AK's, and have their bases in fucking caves, and still managed to resist a full invasion of NATO for almost 17 years now.
That drone has a base from which it operates from and gets refueld and resupplied with ammo, unless you've got alien technology that allows you to have a space ship to operate from, any ground base can be attacked and overrun with enough manpower. In a battlefield situation, this won't be that big of an issue since you have clear frontlines to operate from, but in a government vs civilian situation, all military bases in the US will be surrounded by hostiles.
Jets, tanks, APC's and soldiers need ammo and fuel, which can be cut off from them by attacking their supply lines. That's how guerrilla warfare works and has worked wonders throughout history, allowing a lesser force face a more organized and superior force for centuries.

You realize that most of them admit that that is EXACTLY their ultimate goal?

does your country believe hate speech is free speech?

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>and what is a republic
I'll tell you what is ISN'T you fucking greased cuntlip, it's not MOB RULE, which is democracy. Jesus christ go back to fucking school.

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>Sure they get a visit by the Secret Service
>muh freedom

We have a lot of AA missiles. And they are cheaper than US analogues. I think our military will suddenly lose a couple containers around US shores that accidentally would be controlled by militias.

Take away my legal guns and I will just get illegal ones in their stead.

such as? usually when you start a post like that you give examples unless you are just a sliding shill pushing gun control like the rest of the bots infesting this board the past few nights.

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No it's not, whoever "most of them" is, their official line isn't.

So you think that ISIS supporters should be allowed to make protests in favor of ISIS and try to recruit new supporters in London??
because that is freedom of speech??

Freedom of speech is not unlimited.

Righto ausfags all this gun control bullshit is making me nervous. What guns can we legally get here. I live on a large property so im not a city fag, and the nearby town has a range ( im told I have to go there every couple of months ) is there a guide of what we can have

Shitty guns are better than no guns

It certainly worked well in Afghanistan and Vietnam didn't it?

Japan has no offensive army, if they are attacked by China USA is understood to counter attack China. This has been agreed since USA bombed the fuck out of the Empire and disarmed them at the end of WW2.

Looking at where USA has military bases shows what the results of WW2 were.

Do you know how big America is. How slow tanks move. How much gas they consume?

It's not exactly liberty if I can't own a simple machine, now is it?

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>implying europe has liberty and democracy
Europe is in a state of socialist republicanism with no freedom, and a mock democracy.

what the fuck are you talking about amerimutt?

a republic is just a country without monarchy you dumb

do you think your country is the only that has a constitution??

how dumb can be americans?

In general, yes.

You'd think with your country's history you'd know geurrila warfare and civil wars are not really fought like this.

Doesn't matter about drones or tanks, if you have a rifle you can kill the people the fuel or repair these machines and feed the operators, ect. Destroy the infrastructure that allows them to operate these technologies.

Anyways history has shown lightly armed geurrilas can very difficult for huge modern professional armies to deal with. I don't know why people try to argue otherwise.

Liberty does not exist in any country other than America. Very often, that's because of democracy.

Because the purpose of all non-Americans everywhere is to declare unwarranted supremacy over Americans.

It's just a thing losers do.

I want one.
Every citizen should also be a soldier and posess a weapon

almost every country in europe?
south korea?
japan?

No there isn't. The government is free to ass fuck you without recourse if you are disarmed.

Before anyone responds with MUH 1776, that was British regulars against Spanish and French soldiers.

>in general
what does that mean, either you're allowed to say gas the kikes, race war now or you're not.

>ocialist republicanism with no freed
(((non-Americans)))

As will many others. Spanish meme also doesn't get that most the factories that make these here are in red areas.

dude the fucking talibans got anti aircraft missiles from youuuuu and many more weapons and intelligence

they were been killed like ants before you started helping them

Somehow we're constantly living rent free inside their head, though.

yet it makes complete sense because tyranical govenments don't want to blow up their own countryside they want to appear majestic example NK: everyone knows its a shit hole dictatorship but they don't have the means to over throw their government.

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how do you fight that

>What are minutemen and militias

Wrong. There is the American democratic republic and then there is the rest of us who are allowed to pretend to live in democratic society. Just look at Britain. The birth place of modern liberal ideals.

So if people having guns is not relevant, why do you still care?

You're just gunless and jealous.

Implying it exists in America. Liberty is a XIX century thing.

>police car with two officers pulls up
>they knock
>you're deranged so you draw your AR15
>they tell you to put it away
>you're already so lost you want to make a stand right there
>they put one into your side
>you manage to take down one of them
>the other retreats and calls in the SWAT team
>you cling to your AR15 while crawling into your tub
>SWAT charges in and has to kill you

Yeah your weapon sure helped there. Oh and btw, the police only wanted to check for a disturbance call.

MUURIICA

Go say that the Holocaust did not happen in public.

And you still fucking lost.

no freedom....

can you tell me what freedom has usa that we don't have???

We're more sophisticated than you dumb lot.