Change my mind
I fucking hate capitalism
Eli Baker
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Isaac Phillips
Socialism, Capitalism. It doesn't matter what it is as long as a central bank exists.
Cameron Kelly
Well what is your contention woth capitalism?
Caleb Cox
Private banking is one of the biggest problems with this country you fucking idiot.
Lincoln Perez
where do you see yourself in a hypothetical communist america? Card carrying party member? or are you a prole doing just prole things?
Jayden Morales
It's practically private tyranny.
Corporations become tyrannical empires of their own, accountable to no one, not loyal to any nation or people. Draining the earth of resources for their own personal gain, meanwhile exploiting the labor of half the population while the other half has it off even worse.
>where do you see yourself in a hypothetical communist america?
Domestic Urban Military
Noah Lee
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West Germany vs. East Germany - take a look what each looked like in comparison and why.
Account for HUMAN NATURE(especially the nastier elements of it)..
Charles Ross
What he says
>I will work for the greater good of the proletariat and the state wherever the ministry of labor sees fit to assign me!
What he thinks
>lol manual labor is icky and for Drumpf voters, I'm going to be on the Central Committee!
Daniel Johnson
Communism is in no way against 'human nature'
This is always the dumbest argument every time it is brought up.
Aiden Harris
So do a lot of people on this board. Why do you think there are so many coporatists and National socialists. I don't even nessecarily hate communism, I mean Stalin and Mao were evil pricks, but (sans the atheism (to include the faggotry and destruction of the family), violent revolution, inevitable centralization and purges) I think old school marxism is actually pretty cool. THey do a very good job at identifying the problems with capitalism, but their solutions are pretty ridiculous.
Also nu-age marxists are shit. Pic related
t. Falangist
Christian Bennett
I already responded to that question you fucking melt.I would join the police force.
Jeremiah Nelson
The fed (central bank) is a private bank owned by the Kikes, and is therefore extremely incentivised to be traitorous towards the people of the united states
Jose Allen
Can you name one thing outside of weapons that was developed by a communist country that wasn't developed by a capitalistic society?
Further, would you be willing to give up the comforts provided by capitalism?
Yes there are people who have it rough and things kind of suck for them, but those same people would be dead in a society that was not capitalistic. Capitalism is a dollar-based democracy. The people are given power by the dollar. Don't like a service or product? Don't pay for it. The business will either adapt to meet the public's needs or it will collapse or worse, have the government bail them out.
Jonathan Scott
I support communism for the exact opposite reasons.
>The fed (central bank) is a private bank
That's what I said.
Jeremiah Adams
>The revolution is triumphant, but why do people still want to own property and have food tovarisch kommisar?
>Nyet problem, we'll just unleash a massive wave of social engineering projects and change all aspects of every day life so people will act more natural
Jackson Diaz
You know, a couple of Venezuelans would gladly switch places with you.
Eli Thomas
Countries with capitalism have better growth and living standards
Xavier Reed
Try not trading for a few weeks.
Dylan White
I agree. Let's work together.
Just kidding, go fucking starve along with the rest of your nasty fucking family, you inferior subhuman parasitic motherfucker.
Camden Robinson
visit Venezuela and eat out of the garbage with the rest of the natives for a week or two, that will probably wise you up more than any lecture here
Joshua Cox
>I'll join
>implying you have any choice in careers
>implying I didn't already report you to the Cheka for dereliction of your duties as a state appointed janitor
Dominic Gomez
You have a choice.
You're welcome. Spoiled brat.
Dylan Rogers
heh i saved that one too, just for faggots like OP
Caleb Ross
That's not how you do change my minds.
Brody Cooper
Sure thing you fat socialist scum
Chase Bennett
Assuming the removal of monopolies, your core issues happen any time someone is hired or asked to work on a regular basis.
So you want nobody to be able to improve their quality of life, ever, unless they do it completely alone and can't share?
Jonathan Collins
>Can you name one thing outside of weapons that was developed by a communist country that wasn't developed by a capitalistic society?
Various pharmaceuticals, along with other actually necessary forms of innovation.
>Further, would you be willing to give up the comforts provided by capitalism?
Yes. Especially if it means helping out the third world.
>muh Venezuela
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Kayden Thompson
Which is why you will lose. You can only deconstruct basic human psychology and hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary training so much.
eventually you guys (especially the sexual revolution types) will run out of social constructs to deconstruct. This is already happening with the pushback against transgenderism. Next comes polygamy, then pedophilia, at which point most people will be fed up with the whole thing, and put a stop to it. It also helps that the ones who are not degens have more kids, so have fun with that population bomb.
Gabriel Ortiz
>Domestic Urban Military
how classic: a commie wants to be a murderer
Gavin Hill
Read Hoppe's A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.
He was a Marxist until he studied up.
Then he wrote that brilliant book.
It's only 250 pages.
Pretty short for all it gives you.
Free online.
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Charles Baker
>then pedophilia
That will never happen. Unless it is a false flag from the alt right (which it usually is).
I'm skinny boyo.
>coke or pepsi
Wow. Great life capitalism gives us.
I would be willing to work with you guys. Let's figure it out right here right now. I'm serious.
Connor Roberts
There is no such thing as "capitalism". There is only the principle of Private Property. Either your right to ownership is enforced and endorsed by society, or you are a slave of The State. There is no alternative. The secondary consequences do include some wealth disparity, but who would argue that being a slave is actually better than being free?
Ryder Baker
And how do you intend to help the third world when most of their basic needs are only being anywhere near met because of capitalistic corporations?
Sure sweat shops are awful in the 3rd world from our perspective, but what's the alternative for the worker? Most likely death,or forced prostitution then death.
More places than ever have electricity and basic comforts thanks to the help of capitalistic corporations. Capitalism does it by rewarding those with drive to create or do more. Even then, the efforts of a few driven individuals improve life for the downtrodden and mediocre.
Gavin Anderson
Stop being lazy.
Chase Wilson
capitalism is clearly superior when done right, it's just that america takes it a bit too far. when jeff bezos is worth like $130bil but half of his workers at amazon are on garbage wages and can barely make ends meet, that's a problem. but i believe there's a middle ground, and that middle ground will be superior to any communist bs
Brandon Moore
Nah, it's about as Jewish as Communism.
Joshua Sanchez
Marxism-Leninism involves using the structures laid by corporations and turning them into state entities. Everyone would still be fed with those same structures, including more people because there would be more equal distribution.
>but what's the alternative for the worker?
Not producing mass amounts of cheap products that break after a few years.
>More places than ever have electricity and basic comforts thanks to the help of capitalistic corporations
No communist denies this. Again, it is about taking the current structures and providing them for the people. Capitalism is not evil, it is merely just a stage of human history; a stage that is reaching it's limits.
Nothing is Jewish you tinfoil hat wearing lunatic.
Jackson Perry
LOL
>nytimes.com
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It started with homosexuality is not a crime, then not a disorder, same for the trannies. Now we are here
Carter Bailey
>nothing is Jewish, disregard how the overwhelming majority of "muh 1% are kikes"
I understand you're defensive over the fact that your ideology which has consistently been used to beat down the people is as Jewish as capitalism very much is but you're going to have to come out of your delusions one of these days mate.
Jonathan Jones
>nothing is jewish
Israel?
Joseph Gomez
Delete this.
Levi Reyes
Give up everything you own/have then.
Brandon Perez
Stop being an uneducated retard Mehmet
Nathan Edwards
I almost replied in confusion, then I got it. Damn that was savage
Elijah Watson
>Nothing is Jewish you tinfoil hat wearing lunatic.
Jordan Gomez
The only people who like capitalism are the corporate monopolies who ruined it and the country hicks who think they can game it.
Jason Brooks
Noah Wright
The american psyciatric association is not an alt-right false flag, but they are playing directly into their hands. As are all of the homos who openly admit to like boys as young as they can legally get them, which means they are probably just pedos in disguise.
The left will die because you cannot seperate your economics from your desire to be a libertine
Julian James
I believe the middle ground involves not flooding your country with low IQ slave labor to drive the wages into the dirt.
Ethan Sanders
>Change my mind
why should I? you can hate it for all you want. the fun just stops when you try to take away my shit because you're poor and useless
Jacob Cruz
>Change my mind
Ryan Bailey
Nice. Elites are sucking the wealth out of the economy, away from workers, and into their pockets and your go-to is blaming the "shitskins" like always. This is why right wingers are the biggest cucks.
Isaiah Wood
Lol I just want to point out that your ID is "BASY Suck"
I don't know what it means but maybe it's a sign.
Austin Carter
>nice kikes are sucking the wealth out of the economy, away from the people, and into their pockets and your go-to strategy is to blame the "shitskins" that are being imported en masse because they're too dumb to do anything about it and will work for less than the native populace
O shit wait a minute I've plugged the gaps left by the left wing and neo-con narratives.
Brayden Lewis
Capitalism does not exist.
The USA does not have a Capitalist system.
Capitalism is an imaginary system invented by Communists as a straw man against somewhat free markets.
Who in America makes money by merely owning things they never built?
Not very many people.
It certainly isn't at the core of our system.
Trump isn't a Capitalist. He was a self-employed construction foreman/project manager.
Cuckerberg isn't a Capitalist either. He is an entrepreneur who built a technology company.
Most of the wealthiest people in the USA work for their money. Dentists, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, are all just self-employed workers that hire additional workers to help them.
Capitalism would be a system where there was a noble class that just sat around owning everything and nobody could do anything but work for one of them.
Does that exist anywhere in the world?
Jackson Russell
>Great life capitalism gives us
Don't drink either then? Don't drink soft drink?
I bet you're British.
Nothing is free. Even if you were to "redistribute wealth", once that is "redistributed", the high taxes and seizure of wealth falls back onto the one class of people. Whilst their assets and money are always going back to the centralized power. Even if they are "given" something, they have to pay for it by giving something else up.
Resources don't come from thin air. Even the Communist Party of China realise they have to have private industry and enterprise in some regard, otherwise the countries quality of life is terrible and lacks innovation.
That being said, for that most part, China is not a nice country to live in.
Liam Turner
Kike tactic
Leo Howard
Do you like your computer?
Leo Thomas
No country is really 100% free market or 100% nationalised.
But the USA is more free market than it is nationalised so it can be called capitalist. People that are for the free market do call for the deregulation of many things in the USA.
Liam Jones
MFW 1/3 of the alt right is a socialist of some stripe and we hate the republicans as much as you hate the democrats
And we know that the banks and the stock market are evil
Christopher Rivera
Stop replying to him, you are wasting time.
Charles Gomez
Mason James
No I'm from the Burger Empire unfortunately.
There is no reason for production not to carry on post-revolution, especially considering how the economy will be planned and production numbers will be refined.
The USSR and China's biggest problem was that they lacked the infrastructure to collectivize in the first place. The USA would be a perfect place to set up such an economy.
>socialism is when the goberment does stuff
Jose Carter
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Austin Long
Before pol:
$ VS
After pol:
卐 VS $
Nathan Smith
>communist text symbol wont show on Sup Forums
Robert Ramirez
>the USA would be the perfect place to set up such an economy
You're totally right the country that can barely maintain its infrastructure as is and which has cities which are demolished daily by spics and niggers could handle a radical restructuring to an "untested" economic system.
Definitely.
LOL.
Nathan Morales
you are a genius. No I hve no problem with socialism. I have a problem with cultural and moral destruction. What I like about corporatism/socialism is the low labor mobility which leads to greater communal bonds and better public morality.
I thought about joining the YPG until I learned about their position on abortion
Colton Sullivan
Yeah, because the military is sucking up all of our funds. Did you not know this?
>must be the shitskins fault
Fucking retard.
Hunter Rivera
That's really weird.
I'm sure you'd be able to have your isolated NazBol community post revolution.
Carson Adams
What is wrong with wanting to preserve your culture and familial traditions? it is much harder to do when you are surrounded by people from another culture.
Christopher Foster
The issue is though is that when a democratic socialist system is established you will be surviving off existing capital. Nationalising all the corporations in the USA will result in them having control of the means of production.
If you bankroll them and make them start from square one they will 1) use their power and assets to start a civil war or 2) the impact of the collapse of these powers will destroy the economy and the USA will be a 3rd world country and so the infrastructure will degrade and decline as there is little capital to maintain it. (such as in Africa, Venezuela, Russia etc).
Lincoln Brooks
Remember, Capitalism is a Communist term.
We never used the word Capitalism before they invented it.
And we have the same system we had before they invented the term.
Capitalism is a system based primarily on ownership, and not on labor.
The freedom of the market isn't really the issue.
To a Communist, the Capitalist system is institutionalized slavery where people who do no work force people who are poor to work for meager subsistence wages. They can do this because they magically own the means of production without having even built them.
Does that system exist anywhere?
Maybe Saudi Arabia is the closest example?
Ryder Taylor
Falangism is my thing. Talk to a lot of the Catholics and Orthos on these boards and they will have similar opinions. Also NazBol is pretty big here.
Also most of the Nazis are moderate to left leaning economically.
Also the fascists that have actually read past 1488.
pretty much everyone who knows what they are talking about except the liberatarian/ancap types and the normies
Gavin Jackson
I would call the economic system that the USA has an organic economy. I think that's a much better term than Capitalist.
Hunter Reyes
>Detroit
>Chicago
>Atlanta
>Los Angeles
>New Orleans
>Philadelphia
>not shite places because of darkies that time and time again demonstrate they are unfit for human civilization
lol.
>yeah because the military is sucking up all of our funds
Wow it's almost like you need to maintain a strong military to stop yourself and your allies from getting zerged by Chinks.
Sebastian Flores
Culture? I can agree to an extent. I think a nation's culture is something that should be preserved.
Familial traditions? No one is stopping you from doing this. Living in a progressive society, you will still be allowed to form a traditional nuclear family with anyone you one. Living in a conservative / traditional society, I would ONLY be allowed to form a nuclear family of a specific type.
I want people to have the freedom to make their own choices about these matters.
Julian Martin
Family is simply Un-Communist.
Brayden Edwards
Who cares what you call it. At its core it is about regulation, low taxation and small government.
Joshua Reyes
>regulation
deregulation
Tyler Gonzalez
Wow it's almost like the one that's been subverted by a disproportionately Jewish media is deeply degenerate (yet you consider yourself a progressive so really the left images are exactly what you want.), whilst the fascist state that isn't plagued by kikes is pretty fuggin neato.
Xavier Martinez
I wish Best Korea was actually good but I can attest to it being a poor shithole. Everyone there who they let you come into contact with is fucking fake. Any store you go to is fake and just for show. All of the poor people do drugs and just want normal lives like they know exist outside of their shithole country. Fuck you for larping as a commie.
Jordan Butler
That's what it has morphed into today.
But that's not what a Communist means by Capitalism.
We never should have adopted the term ourselves.
Like I said, we should call our economic systems organic economies because they naturally arose without strict structure or plan. In fact they rose because those structures were removed.
Instead we adopted the terminology Communists created as a straw man argument against us.
Isaiah Ramirez
Let's join forces to take down porky together. Then afterwards, we can have our own separate societies with different values.
Levi Parker
700 billion dollars a year.
Brayden Reed
The point I was making is that those traditions cannot be preserved when you are being flooded with immigrants (who are imported as a tool by the local capitalists to deflate wages, they dont give a fuck about patriotism and tradition). When your formerly white city is now filled with Mexicans, its white culture is lost. The preservation of your own culture should take priority over open borders
Michael Evans
I don't care about skin color or race, but yeah I agree that mass immigration is bad.
Daniel Morgan
No. I have seen what you guys promote to children. You will come for mine if I tell them that homosexuality is wrong.
If the left would cut out the feminist bullshit, I would probably be in.
Also you guys kill babies
Nolan Miller
In complete agreement.
I don't care for semantics on a basket weaving forum. Capitalism is a commonly used term and so that's why it used it.
Juan Ross
Yeah, good luck convincing people they want to have less food, pinko.
Oh, I forgot.
Communists don't need popular support. They use force, terror, and genocide, don't they?
Liam Watson
That's a lot of over-exaggerations.
Luis Cruz
so who grows the food in your society?
Josiah Murphy
If you don't care about race then you simply aren't well educated enough on the matter.
You've already demonstrated in this thread that you know literally fucking nothing about our politics so I'd not be surprised if you'd not actually been listening to anything we've been saying when we talk about race realism and subversive Jewery.
Stop being such a bigot :^)
Aiden Gomez
*yawn*
Robert Sullivan
Farm workers, just like under capitalism.
Revolution is by popular support, then democratic centralism takes place.
Brandon Cruz
I wouldn't be splitting the hairs if OP wasn't a Communist.
They invented racism too from what I understand.
Mason Wood
And this is why we're winning and you aren't.
The common man doesn't want to see inbred paki's raping his kids anymore than he wants to see fags marching through the street near enough naked anymore than he wants to get fucked in the arse by Jewish bankers.
You only claim to tackle one of these issues whilst totally dancing around the core of the matter whilst we acknowledge every single one.
Noah Allen
who has the guns in your society? Would the police force be made of the people? Like everyone has to serve as a police offer one month out of the year to avoid police brutality or would your police force be a separate entity beholden to the central party first and foremost?
Benjamin Bell
No. Revolution is by an army rounding up and shooting people.
It is the seizure of power followed by a reign of terror.
That's how it works.
That's what you're supporting.
Jason Cooper
From the UN
>Societal attitudes against LGBT and intersex persons should not be used as justification to promote discriminatory laws and policies, to perpetuate discriminatory treatment, or to fail to investigate and prosecute those responsible for violence against LGBT and intersex children and young people. States must act to overcome prejudice and stereotypes through anti-discrimination initiatives in schools and public education campaigns. They should also address intersectional discrimination and violence against LGBT and intersex youth on the basis of race and ethnicity.
Subtext, if you dissaprove of your child's behavior, we will tell him that you are a monster and take him from you
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