What Nietzche actually said: >"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
most people that are atheist are because they read a poll that said smart people are atheist they are also the people that joined facebook because of one article that said "rich people use facebook" idiots. the word shouldn't exist everyone who is an idiot should be raped with a meteor
Cameron Perez
Well, I remember i was like that when i was about 14-15, now im 23. I think most people have to "go through it" kind of. Its a phase, some people go through it at 14-15, some people at 30+. Ironicly, over the past year, i felt some connection to Cristianity, idk how or why, i dont believe in the bible desu, but i can feel something in the air around it.
he wasn't an atheist you retarded fluoride riddled moron
Camden Rivera
the state of leaf reading comprehension
Ryan Gomez
praise kek
Anthony Sanders
>most people that are atheist... Because they grow up and no longer believe in Santa Claus for Adults. It's not that they don't want to believe in a kindly, loving God; it's just that they see no proof of that existing.
>Why are atheists so retarded? They see themselves of being freed from the chains of religion What they don't realize is that those chains served a great purpose Nietzsche's point was that those chains must be released if one wants to ascend to the next phase of man. What atheists think is the release of the chains is the ascension itself, Nietzsche disagrees. There is a great chance of degeneration rather than ascension, and most atheists are ignorant of that fact. It's like leaving your parents, you may do better than they ever have, or you may fail, hard. IMO we're failing, hard.
William Cox
>Man, at a given moment, wanted to "be free". He was allowed to be so, and he was allowed to throw off the chains that did not bind him so much as sustain him.
Parker Hughes
they would be agnostic at least then, but they are not
Gavin Gutierrez
I don't believe in any of that or the Nietzsche bullshit. Apparently I must take on complex ideological principles simply because I don't believe in God.
Jason Brooks
Perfect example from his writings
But yeah, back to your OP, if you're actually wondering why the atheists are like that, it's because they haven't actually read his work.
I also hear religious folk speak of Nietzsche and the Death of God in the same way, they haven't actually read his work
The latest Black Sabbath album has a song which references Nietzsche and The Death of God in that context, as much as I love Black Sabbath, the lyrics to that song make me cringe.
Parker Diaz
Same for me, man. Not really a believer (can't quite spin my head around it) but I increasely found myself interested in the concepts and teachings of Christianity. Quite curious, indeed
Christian Price
>Apparently I must take on complex ideological principles simply because I don't believe in God You will either A, take on Christian morality as your moral basis without believing in God B, take on Christian morality as your moral basis while believing in God C, reject Christian morality and become a degenerate D, reject Christian morality and become ubermensch
That's all Nietzsche was saying Which part do you disagree with?
Jaxson Cook
C being infinitely more likely than D
Daniel Davis
>Quite curious, indeed It's because the collective wisdom of thousands of generations of our ancestors is greater than contemporary individual moral masturbation
agreed t. former degenerate who thought he was ubermensch
Christopher Parker
Atheists are fundamentally irrational and annoying as fuck.
Justin Clark
I disagree with all of it. Christian morality? How does it differ from others? Concept of Ubermensch? Pure German autism.
You ask questions with the assumptions that I believe that the dogmas of Christianity are something special, that the morality I operate with from day to day needs a Christian basis.
Aiden Gutierrez
Technology killed god. Hell, half our generation is atheist only because Zeitgeist came out on liveleak in like 2007. A generation of young men that went on internet forums and sites like that found the material and watched it.
Cooper Phillips
Correct, except the very last part.
A concept of God is necessary to humanity, it's simply a part of us. In this capacity, God is real whether you like it or not. Whether it's the Christian God (The word, aka the truth that contains this), a super powered AI, a cult of personality, or the sun, we have a void that will be filled.
Maybe you fill it with selfishness and hedonism. Or maybe you fill it by living a proper life. People don't seem to make fun of Buddhists who want to "ascend" and make fun of Christians for essentially the same thing.
Of course, the thing is living well is fucking hard to do. Really hard. And men and women have different roles in it, too.
John Hill
And, so sorry - you're not WRONG. You made a great post and summed up exactly what Fred meant about the death of God correctly. I just didn't personally jive with that last bit you tacked on.
Ethan Reed
You seem to fall into category A The danger with that, is that without a God in which to base your moral inclinations, you will seek other, weaker, systems in which to base those conclusions Things like: science, Government, community, philosophy, hell, even works of fiction Neitsche theorized that replacing God which such systems would lead to a social psychological strife which would lead to conflict the likes of which the world has never seen aka the 20th century
Aaron Turner
I was an atheist since 7 years of age, with no preconceptions on what ''atheist'' are or that there was even a name for it.
Funnily enough, I can remember believing in Santa Claus but not God. Althought the Santa thing was obviously suspicious too, as there was something intuitively so wrong with one guy going through all the world's houses in one night, but I still believed it with some doubts at the age of 7. So there was something about God that made it absolutely unbelievable for me, but not Santa.
Nice story brother, but I don't think a single atheist ever became atheist with the thought ''lol I'd rather be free!''. That's probably something that could be thought up by a theistic mind.
>Nice story brother, but I don't think a single atheist ever became atheist with the thought ''lol I'd rather be free!''.
That's not exactly true - how many whores do you think are religious, or junkies, or murderers? People feign religion for social cover in many ways. But the true believer is stunted by judgement. You cannot believe you're going to hell for something and continually doing it without a major psychotic episode.
IME As both a junky and a person with some serious moral flaws I was an atheist I created my own moral code to suit my transgressions. When I grew older I stopped because I realized my faith was skin deep as a facade to justify my behaviors. Needless to say I'm reformed both morally, and spiritually.
I wouldn't say that covers a majority but I would say it covers a large enough realm of constituents to consider it a large factor.
Camden Lee
No, I don't. You assume my morality follows from a fundamentally Christian dogma. I disagree with this completely, so it's impossible to discuss if you are going to insist on something I do not agree with.
Hunter Ward
>A concept of God is necessary to humanity, it's simply a part of us. In this capacity, God is real whether you like it or not. Whether it's the Christian God (The word, aka the truth that contains this), a super powered AI, a cult of personality, or the sun, we have a void that will be filled. I agree. My big "ah ha" moment was this: I realized God was the result of human inquiry. It's an explanation for why things are the way they are. Science, is a method of inquery. So to truly remove God, we would need to remove man's ability to inquire. To remove man's ability to inquire, would also remove our ability to apply the scientific method of inquiry. It's that realization which lead me to no longer view science and God as opposition, but rather a result of the same process.
Hunter Ortiz
Unless you've been living in the woods it probably is. Hell, even the idea of objectivity of science came from the fusion of Plato philosophy and the idea of a structured heichary of nature from top down(ie divine order). Ask a pagan or alchemist back in the day what they believe, and you'd hear several different stories and about any such thing like how garrgling mercery is good for you. Easily testable, but people simply didn't give a shit about universal truths and prefered anecdotal experience and swapped gods like Yu-Gi-Oh cards....
You're so immersed in Christian cultural relics, you don't even realize it. Like a fish understanding the abstraction of air. If you want to see a Christianleas ideaology, just look at Marxism or india hinduism.
John Torres
>That's not exactly true - how many whores do you think are religious, or junkies, or murderers? Looking at the religious affiliation of your inmates, quite a lot.
Rabbi Yeshua bar Yoseph is supposed to be a forgiving character, no?
Mason White
Could you give me a brief rundown of your personal morality and why it's superior to Christian morality?
>I don't think a single atheist ever became atheist with the thought ''lol I'd rather be free!''. You don't think atheists made the choice to decide on their own rather than referencing an alleged holy book?
Evan Long
The point is that in his philosophy there is no god so we must fill the gap ourselves. Self made morality and self made meaning.
I had heard the name "Nietzsche" so many times and heard it described as great philosophy. I also came up with the same idea's as Nietzsche myself, independantly as a teenager. That doesn't mean I am smart. I think it means the opposite.
Philosophy is masturbation and not a sign of intelligence. You should be able to figure all this out on your own if you are average intelligence. Writing the book and phrasing it all eloquently probably requires a higher IQ.
Hunter Rivera
Less child raping in my morality.
James Perry
Oh also philosophy is probably a product of its time and heavily influenced by the abundance of information and communication technology so Nietzsche was probably also way ahead of his time and for people with an Internet connection maybe it should all be obvious.
Ryan Roberts
>Less child raping in my morality Why is less child raping more morally sound than more child rape? What is the moral basis of that proposition?
Grayson Cox
>Philosophy is masturbation and not a sign of intelligence. I wouldn't expect an Irishman to know anything about intelligence.
Colton Clark
That's for you to decide. In my world view rape harms the child.
John Peterson
Atheists, instead of supporting their position with arguments, have changed the meaning of atheist to "without belief in God." The idiot does mean agnostic.
Brandon Gomez
At least use a meme flag and hide your shame.
Samuel Collins
Nice mind you have
Dylan White
None of these sentences mean anything, I don't need Plato or divine order to apply objectivity in science. You talk as if these concepts are something abstract, they are not.
I don't know if it's superior. I believe there is a natural morality in a sense. We don't need the concept of God to structure laws that punish murder and stealing, nor do we need it in personal relationship to define adultery as bad. All of these things come natural from the relationship between humans. What is specific in Christian morality that you believe is not derived from human interaction?
Jason Roberts
Atheist is without belief in a god. Agnostic and gnostic is what you are getting confused about. Mutt.
Caleb Green
On a second thought you're probably correct, especially for America where christianity is still a thing. Faking religiosity is surely less common here in Nordics, I assume most here are honest with their beliefs.
Austin Reed
>have changed the meaning of atheist to "without belief in God." What does "a" mean? What does "theism" mean? What does "gnosis" mean?
Logan Cox
>In my world view rape harms the child. But why? From a purely biological stand point, if rape was harmful, nature would have done away with it. I can front the argument that forced sex causes more babies with stronger genes, thus, a net positive for the survival of humanity There is no scientific basis for forced sex being bad for man overall. One needs to go to a higher authority to find that type of morality.
Samuel Rodriguez
Well Per you are living example that dumb people shouldn't be atheists.
How does it differ from others? Travel around the world, check how natural, unblemished morality of natives is exactly the same as first-or second generation atheist with 30-40 generations of Christians before him. Check how morality in Soviet Union eroded during 80 years of communists rule. You are living example that only people smarter than 90% should be allowed to become atheist. Your genes destined you to salt herrings all the life and you have been thrown into modern world that you don't understand.
Dominic Bell
>Looking at the religious affiliation of your inmates, quite a lot.
Yeah, people in hard times using their fake religiosity to mask their reality. It's almost as if you want to prove my point for me. You realize most of them are converts right? Have you ever been to jail? If you have then you know the majority go just so they don't have to be looked up for 2 hours on a Sunday.
It's almost as if when someone is falling down a hole they will grab anything to provide them with even momentary comfort. If you can't understand this nuance then there is nothing I can say. Your bias is thicker than the truth can penetrate.
Jeremiah Price
>nature does away with things that are harmful
Are you high??
Connor Barnes
No one is interested in understanding anything, just the memes.
Hunter Morales
Most atheists are only atheist because they're mad their parents made them go to church. Or they saw a video of the Westboro Baptist Church and started believing that Christianity was about hating gays and nothing else.
Evan Perry
>From a purely biological stand point, if rape was harmful, nature would have done away with it. nonsense
Nicholas Robinson
That's probably true in the US. It's hard to believe some of the backwards shit that comes out of your continent.
Jaxson Butler
wtf am i reading here.
Luis Hernandez
Sorry I'm not so well acquainted with the inner workings of criminal degenerates, ese.
Isaac Barnes
He is trying to troll but sounding completely retarded so I assume he is another north American drug addict.
Brody King
Because there's less everything in your morality. It's just empty
Zachary Nguyen
>You cannot believe you're going to hell for something and continually doing it without a major psychotic episode. News flash: religious people are hypocrites, just like everyone else.
>le no true scotsman
Every time. Just accept that the religious are just as morally flexible as atheists and we can move on. People "sin" at their own convenience and interpret their religious doctrine to their own convenience. And break that self-interpreted moral code when convenient.
Retarded religious people like to believe that the religious are more ethical people because they have some kind of rigid objectivem oral code, but it's a fantasy. The very fact that religious people visit this shithole board and engage in entirely unchristianily behavior is proof of that.
If your metric for a "truly faithful" person is that they're not a hypocrite that engages in sinful behavior, then the truly faithful basically don't exist.
John Morgan
>I believe there is a natural morality in a sense. There is, even the bible implies that >What is specific in Christian morality that you believe is not derived from human interaction? It's the idea that the morality is grounded in God When you remove the foundation for the belief, other foundations are sought out, and they're weaker, as I explained earlier.
Jason Roberts
>God said it's bad. I don't even think about it. >Well I think it's bad because I can see the effects it has on the child later in life, and how sexual abuse deteriorates the mind. >but WHY?`
I will never understand this line of reasoning from religious people, it is as if the concept of seeing suffering and misery from an action means nothing. Meanwhile, this is how we mostly decide what is a moral action or not.
Luke Wright
I'm asking for you guys to give me a moral argument against rape that is not based on Christian principles.
Ryder Moore
>I don't know if it's superior. I believe there is a natural morality in a sense There isn't. You appear to be thinking that modern commonality of moral principles is evidence of an objective morality, when it isn't. What was common morality among many cultures thousands of years ago is considered atrocious today. For example, slavery and pedophilia, which have only become reviled in modern history.
Cooper Barnes
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Aiden Bailey
>Most atheists are only atheist because they're mad their parents made them go to church.
That's the irony with these clueless """enlightened""" atheists. They don't ever realize their "atheistic" morality is still based on christian doctrine.
Evan Reed
These ingrates don't seem to realize that it's Christian countries, or countries that used to be Christian, that disapprove of sex with children. Do you think animist savages in Africa or most of Asia care?
Christian Taylor
Objectivity stems from utility as a brainlet like youself believes. But utility stems from use or what's "useful", or what is preferable or "good". But if good is as subjective a concept as merely a brain chemical feeling, or even reproduction (passing on genes is not a valid measurement of reality, hence can't produce a objective tool to measure it, only to measure useful things for reproductive success) then objectivity becomes elobrate subjective explainations.
>forced sex causes more babies with stronger genes, If this is your idea of natural selection and evolution, I don't wonder why you believe in God.
Obviously men would propagate their genes best by raping everyone. The problem is that other men and women won't accept that. That's why you don't rape people in your in-group or people of other tribes that might come and hunt you down. It was probably common for raped women to just abandon their babies anyways if their rapist didn't stay to provide resources for the kids, so raping is not a very sustainable way to guarantee that you will have offspring that get to reproduction stage themselves.
Raping a woman is much more likely to result in his angry brother coming and killing you rather than the rape resulting in offsprings that will get to reproduce. You can't reproduce if you are dead. This is why rape is reproductively a bad fucking strategy most of the time.
>How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?
How, indeed.
Brayden Barnes
You claim it is weaker but you offer no basis for it. In my world, saying that morality has a basis in God is a weak point. To me morality arising from human interaction as a natural process makes it very strong, it does not need an explanation for it's existence.
I think it depends how we view history. Power corrupts and always will, the hierarchy in a slave society is derived from power over others but I don't think the slaves would see it as just a way of life they happen to be in. So the question of morality would here be, does the slave feel that his captivity is wrong? Considering slave revolts over the course of history I would assume they didn't like it.
Isaac Campbell
>morality is a christian concept! you can't have morality without religion! So many retards on this board.
Hunter Hall
We punish rape because it is a violent act of aggression often with severe consequences for the victim. Explain to me where Christian principles come into play here. You have the same interpretation of rape in the context of law all over the world, most of whom are not Christian. The assumption that you are making here is that punishment for rape follows from Christian doctrine without saying how or why.
Justin Cook
this
Parker Lewis
Why would you need a ''moral'' argument? Maybe rape is not objectively bad. I don't think it is.
For my genes to propagate, a stable society is preferable to a chaotic one where rape (and murder) is common. If rapes were legal, cohesion would be break down and it'd be pretty 50/50 if my children would make it out alive in that society. My primary concern as a biological organism is to get my children and children of my genetic relatives to procreate.
It doesn't matter if the slave feels slavery is wrong. Might is right during those times. You didn't have advanced diplomacy or nuclear deterrence. You had the strength and technology of your state. If you can't defend your culture and countrty, you were conquered, raped, and enslaved. That was considered "normal" morally for a very, very, very long time. People did not cry a river over slaves existing, they were just considered a natural part of class disparity.
In other words, let's say I beat your ass, knock you out, and lock you in my basement. Who the fuck cares if you aren't happy about that or think it's morally wrong? Why does your opinion matter? I have dominion over you, and your opinions are not going to get you out of the cage.
Jaxon Gray
Christianity speaks to a mythological reality that we live in everyday
Josiah Young
It's the dark night of the soul, abyss, void, or whatever you prefer.
Andrew Collins
>le atheism is a phase meme Always love Christian apologetics. They can't win an actual debate and they believe all sorts of goofy dumb shit, so they have to engage in all this "lol I grew out of being an atheist" shit to try and impress other religious dipshits.
Grayson Diaz
The redpill is that might is right still applies in this world, but christianity convinced many that it's wrong so now it's just done more discreetly. You think there are not billions of people lusting for more power? Just like Hillary Clinton, they obviously won't state their goals directly, but still a good deal of suckers actually think the world revolves around ''noble'' goals.
A strong deterrent to kill and enslave was that it's pretty fucking risky business. Could as well end in your death or enslavement. Easier in modern times with guns, but then someone with a bigger gun is coming after you.
Cameron Rodriguez
He was, he was just poetic in his writing. It was a lament of the fall of myth to reason.
James Wright
Adam and Eve were the first Nietzcheans because the decided to ignore God's law and create their own law. It's in our fallen nature to think of ourselves like Gods and now those chickens are really coming home to roost in the form of massive degeneracy, transhumanism, etc.
Ian White
Yes, it matters a lot. If we are talking about slavery specifically, we must acknowledge that there is a hierarchy structure that separates morality into different categories for the populations. So if the slaves believed the personal slavery of them was bad and immoral, this is the level which we should judge the morality of the action. Since the elite already relegated slaves as beneath them and didn't apply the same standard of morality to them, it is difficult to understand how this could be considered a morally just action. Might is right is inherently at odds with morality because it allows you to apply selective morality based on superiority. That is not a moral system , it is a system of power. Both can exist within the same space.
We do this with animals today, we selectively apply morality in relation to animals depending on their worth. Personally I believe it's wrong, but this becomes a question if power trumps morality at all levels.
Owen Watson
The problem is that we live in an incredibly unjust world, as made so by the elites. They use Christian moral values to subvert God's laws, enabling evil. An eye for an eye is a basic observation of reality. Just as shown in Newton's third law. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is just the moral equivalent. Mercy is granted by doing them no worse in return. (e.g. hand chopping for stealing)
Evan Smith
In the old days rape would be associated with property damage.
Women, wife or daughters, were property of men, and if you raped them, then you were infringing on a man's property.
Jeremiah Ross
Atheists simply do not understand themselves at all. You need some Jung.
Alexander Allen
>Funnily enough, I can remember believing in Santa Claus but not God yeah, that's called autism
John Foster
It has nothing to do with impressing others. If you believe you can make a sacrifice worthy of saving your own life, then do it. The faithful in Christ do not believe they can. There are reasons for and against this.
Robert Cox
I think it happens to most people. It all went as phases of self knoledge. I used to believe in the objectivity of God, then became atheist, and a physicist. Now I believe in God not as science describe something objectively. It is transcedental without being supernatural. Scientific and mythological knowledge are not describing the same thing, they are different in methods and objects of study. I believe in God now more than ever, and specially as a manifestation of faith, which can be as real as any physical phenomen.
>I feel a connection to it Yours, mine, and every other European (or European sourced) civilization is rooted in Christian traditions. We are all connected to it, which means we are ultimately all connected in the end. This strikes fear in the heart of the jew, which is why he wants to dismantle christianity into nothing.
Parker Perry
Who is ready for the Christian millennium?
Jack Stewart
>be church give people a value system >turn evil and tyranical and give 0 shit about suffering >science is born and requires a viewpoint of an objective world >science reduces suffering >church doesnt offer anything anymore >the only people left in church are also scientist that believe there is a magic man in the sky >majority is born into an objective world
The church fucked up
John Morris
What Nietzche actually said: >God is dead
What christcucks hear >I'm a huge faggot please rape my face
Josiah Robinson
amen
Jordan Phillips
>Who is ready for the Christian millennium?
Tens of thousands of abused children all over the world. They're SO ready.
