Be me

Evan Martin
Evan Martin

be me
secret fascist in uni
talking to leftie female friend
complete roastie
she hates censorship
bring up 1984 like a normie
she thinks 1984 is about fascism not communism
tfw lefties don’t understand that 1984 is what any leftist ideology ultimately evolves into or already has envolved into

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dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5550063/Couple-arrested-huge-stash-weapons-Boston-March-Lives-protest.html
theblaze.com/video/rapper-who-performed-at-march-for-our-lives-was-arrested-for-gun-related-crime-last-year
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingsoc
archive.is/dtLsa
youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

Andrew Parker
Andrew Parker

secret fascist
secret
So you're a pussy?

Sebastian Peterson
Sebastian Peterson

be brainlet
don't realize Orwell was a libertarian socialist

Thomas Cruz
Thomas Cruz

she thinks 1984 is about fascism not communism
Or, it's against authoritarian regimes in general, which both ideologies have the potential to fall under

Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

doesn’t understand that socialism can’t be libertarian and that George Orwell was a meme

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

based centrist cuck

Xavier Reed
Xavier Reed

she thinks 1984 is about fascism not communism
Psst, communists can be fascist, fascism is using force and intimidation to silence political opposition.

Easton Nelson
Easton Nelson

So then why did you make a thread about 1984? Also read Homage to Catalonia

Benjamin White
Benjamin White

You sound like a YouTuber

Hunter Wilson
Hunter Wilson

I dunno man, being a fascist in a workplace where you have rights and people understand what reality is like is one thing, being a fascist when you're a student with no rights and surrounded by people who think they are the next civil rights leader is another. I wouldn't call someone who tip toes through a den of vipers a pussy

Parker Green
Parker Green

read homage to Catolonia
George Orwell is crying because he was BFTOd by fascists and communists
George Orwell cries about how bad both are like a shill

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

Orwell was a socialist

Aiden Morris
Aiden Morris

libertarian socialist
here (you) go

James Adams
James Adams

Hide your power level, user

Liam Rogers
Liam Rogers

I wasn't aware that classical liberalism fell under centrism, but alright

Jason Gonzalez
Jason Gonzalez

Better drop the subtle hints since the average normie is preconditioned to have a knee-jerk reaction to certain statement no matter how correct they are. Most people have to be eased into the redpill.

If you walk around autistically screeching "gas the jews race war now" you are dumber than the Commies.

Wyatt Clark
Wyatt Clark

Yes thank you

Bentley Carter
Bentley Carter

No it isn't, you retard. You don't know what fascism is.

Aiden Anderson
Aiden Anderson

Wow. Just wow. To expose yourself as a smug imbecile in your own OP post.

Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.
(Orwell, Why I Write)

If we are talking about reallife inspiration of 1984, it is Britain in all aspects, and Soviet Union in a general political scene.

James Cruz
James Cruz

Strictly speaking, original Fascists, I.E. Mussolini crowd, did not have a particular stance on Marxism.

Brayden Price
Brayden Price

Socialism envolves into authoritarianism (Stalinism and modern day information suppression) that’s what you highschool and college fags don’t understand
Look at Sweden and England
Memes aside both are authoritarian in the sense they suppress information and dissent in the name of diversity and tolerance all adding more prove to my statement that all leftist policies evolve into communist style authoritarianism

Carter Brown
Carter Brown

Query: If one is to have a government at all, would you prefer a National (((Socialist))) government, a (((Communist))) government or a constitutional republic wherein securing and protecting individual and national sovereignty (as much is possible absent state and federal machinations) is the paramount objective of said government, to be enjoyed, of course, by grown-up self respecting men and women who don’t cross the Golden Rule?

I mean, are you a Nanny State cuck, or a fucking man capable of exercising dominion over that which is exclusive to you, i.e. your property/life, and, can you exercise such without trespassing upon another man’s right to do the same? That’s the question in a constitutional republic like the USA.

Grown-Up State > Nanny State

mfw OP thinks 1984 isn’t about one and/or the other version of any form of authoritarianism aka fascism/communism

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Chase Miller
Chase Miller

fascism is literally just for stopping communistic subversion

it was done out of fear

weird how people even here don't understand this. You shouldn't 'want' fascism. It's simply just a way to defend yourself from communists, putting it simply. Being a 'secret fascist' is the stupidest thing i've ever heard

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

We are not talking about political beliefs. But about a simple fact of contents of 1984, which you are wrong about despite thinking otherwise and being smug and ignorant about it.

James White
James White

be drooling marxist retards
i once read some marxist retard macro that said he used the word socialism and shit so he is literally Stalin

Joseph Thompson
Joseph Thompson

Didn’t know shills use triple parentheses now I thought they weren’t allowed to
But whatever I read right through your big words and your failed attempt to sound smart you could have just Jewish Pull yourself up by the boots Conservativism is better accordingly you than prioritizing your country and it’s people without the state ownership of everything

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

You're an idiot.

George Orwell was a democratic socialist. 1984 was a criticism of both fascism and Stalinism, since Orwell saw them as being two sides of the same coin.

Brandon Hughes
Brandon Hughes

Gosh, you are even more of a moron than the OP. Orwell himself stated his position directly .

I'm also not sure why you bring up Stalin. Orwell disliked Stalin and favoured Trotsky, so?

Jordan James
Jordan James

Implying that not I’m dropping redpills low key and not trying to stop subversion in my uni

Aiden Fisher
Aiden Fisher

which you are wrong about despite thinking otherwise and being smug and ignorant about it.
Hahahahah here is your (You) retard.

Lincoln Jenkins
Lincoln Jenkins

see

Lincoln Perry
Lincoln Perry

All humans were libertarian socialists in the Paleolithic era. This lasted thousands of years.

Benjamin Walker
Benjamin Walker

Two sides of the same coin
Fuck off leaf they’re completely different you sound like everything other fakewoke trumptard where I study

Ayden James
Ayden James

I see that you resort to petty insults, being unable to uphold discussion or react to evidence provided by me in any reasonable way.

Wyatt Murphy
Wyatt Murphy

Lolbertarian socialist
dude weed, fag rights, electronic festivals, christian bad, pay for tyrones and sheboon kids, we wuz one race.

Caleb Rivera
Caleb Rivera

Leftists don't want to compromise so much they just want to widdle away whatever society there is super slowly if they have to.

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David Martinez
David Martinez

Favored (((Trotsky)))
George Orwell had a crush on commiekikes that wanted to rule over the working class as a new political elite

Andrew Reyes
Andrew Reyes

Implying this is relevant in modern times

Luis Ward
Luis Ward

Yea ppl dont get that. Fascism only comes into existence because other ideologies are to weak to fight communism. It saves society as Mises even said

Anthony Martinez
Anthony Martinez

Not really.

Using force and intimidation to silence political opposition is authoritarianism. Fascism is a particular type of authoritarianism that focuses on machismo and excessive patriotism, though other forms of authoritarianism exist.

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

Potential
user, authoritarianism is the backbone of both ideologies.

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

people who were constantly starving were thinking of complex ideologies.
They were trying to survive thats it.

Carson Garcia
Carson Garcia

... though the vast majority of fascists hate communism because they see it as internationalist and feminist.

Jackson Lopez
Jackson Lopez

be brainlet
not knowing Ingsoc is short for English Socialism
not knowing Orwell wrote these precisely as a reaction of what he saw socialist dictatorships ended up being

Brandon Johnson
Brandon Johnson

the only way I can be public about what I believe is by going around autistically screeching "gas the jews race war now"
This is why you fail, this is why you're too much of a coward to make your views public because you can't imagine how you could express them without making yourself look like a fucking raging autist.

Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

Considering how you post he is entirely correct to ridicule you for calling others smug.

Luis James
Luis James

Yea ppl dont get that. Fascism only comes into existence because other ideologies are to weak to fight communism. It saves society as Mises even said
Fascists that don't even know what actual fascists thought and believed. Typical.

Tomorrow, Fascists and communists, both persecuted by the police, may arrive at an agreement, sinking their differences until the time comes to share the spoils. I realise that though there are no political affinities between us, there are plenty of intellectual affinities. Like them, we believe in the necessity for a centralised and unitary state, imposing an iron discipline on everyone, but with the difference that they reach this conclusion through the idea of class, we through the idea of the nation.

We go to battle against the plutocratic and reactionary democracies of the west… This gigantic struggle is nothing other than a phase in the logical development of our revolution; it is the struggle of peoples that are poor but rich in workers against the exploiters who hold on ferociously to the monopoly off all the riches and all the gold of the earth…
(Mussolini)

Fascists were opposed to Plutocratic liberal democracies, and rather viewed themselves similar to communists and socialists, but better.

Nicholas Long
Nicholas Long

provides the usual evidence confirming he is just the usual smug and ignorant drooling marxist retard who doesnt know or understand shit about the contents of 1984 despite thinking otherwise
starts projecting when called out
I see you are like all the other selfabsorbed marxist cunts.

Liam Stewart
Liam Stewart

Found the pedo

Josiah Torres
Josiah Torres

Conservativism is better accordingly you than prioritizing your country and it’s people without the state ownership of everything
Sombody needs to program these bots to construct proper sentences that don’t read like a shitpile of Amerrimutt poly-sci psychobabble.

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Nathan Bennett
Nathan Bennett

How are modern hate speech laws even remotely comparable to Stalinism?

What makes you think that Stalin was promoting authoritarianism in the name of diversity and tolerance? Didn't you see what he did to the Russian Jews?

Are there any world leaders who are seriously creating authoritarianism in the name of tolerance? I can't think of any.

Jonathan Nguyen
Jonathan Nguyen

so did you get her number? or are you sleeping alone again user?

Nicholas Murphy
Nicholas Murphy

LOL Look at this "internet tough guy" dipshit.

If you want to live in a country where the government doesn't look out for the average person, move to Tanzania. See how "manly" you truly are.

Hunter Jones
Hunter Jones

Roastie

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

Are you seriously implying that George Orwell, the one who penned 1984, doesn't understand shit about its' contents? Because that is literally what you are saying, and my god you are embarassing yourself as both an idiot and a hypocrite.

Oliver Parker
Oliver Parker

The way authoritarianism takes shapes changes throughout history first was working class emancipation then for freedom from imperialism and now for diversity and tolerance

Isaiah Butler
Isaiah Butler

A bot making grammar errors
Even Russian and Chinese bots don’t make grammar errors

Jeremiah Collins
Jeremiah Collins

This post is barely coherent, but I'm going to assume that you are claiming that all socialism is Stalinism.

That's like saying all Christians are Fred Phelps.

Liam Morales
Liam Morales

THIS
Socialism, Fascism, Communism: all different means to the same authoritarian ends.

Only an idiot, a shill or a mod would insist otherwise.

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Kayden Edwards
Kayden Edwards

Op here
I want everyone to know that George Orwell was too nice for his own good and didn’t realize that most forms of leftist policies result in authoritarianism and the reaso for this transfer to authoritarianism changes over time

Landon Ramirez
Landon Ramirez

Fascism and Stalinism are similar in several ways. Both are excessively patriotic. Both trample on the rights of the average citizen. Both are not afraid of committing mass murder. Both rely on state censorship.

In fascism, there is more private business and more machismo, but they are very similar in other aspects.

Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

HURR DURR REVELATION
I’m a fascist of coarse I want authoritarianism
This purpose of this thread was to inform you that leftism always results in some sort of authoritarianism and the reason for it changes over time but fascism is a reaction to it and not necessarily the same as left wing authoritarianism

Jackson Hall
Jackson Hall

Did you smash the roast?

Ethan Cook
Ethan Cook

You just gave a watered down version of the 2 most complex philosophies and compared them as if they weren’t complete foils of each other

Jeremiah Jackson
Jeremiah Jackson

Libertarian socialism could save lives since it could end war and starvation.

Libertarian socialism isn't about demonising Christianity. We just don't want Christianity to be forced on anyone who doesn't want it.

Andrew Hall
Andrew Hall

I wish bro

Aaron Cook
Aaron Cook

Communism and Fascism are the same thing.

Never heard of horseshoe theory?

John Long
John Long

If you want to live in a country where the government doesn't look out for the average person, move to ( X )
Your reading comprehension is decomposing like leaf in the winter
How does “securing and protecting individual and national sovereignty” as the “paramount objective of a constitutional government” not specifically entail “the government looking out for the average person” regardless of their race, politics, sex, religion etc? That’s literally what it’s designed to do.

What kind of stupid are you hoping your audience is?

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James Smith
James Smith

no goys fascist and commies were friends!
Marxist truly are braindead. Goymunism is just Jewish subverted nationalism; you are taking nationalistic views and assuming they are socialist in nature, meaning you completely disregard the context of the political climate in Europe at that time.

All of these ideologies were capitalizing on nationalistic tendencies forged through a generation of small but intense warfare in Europe, closely followed by the conscription of citizens to keep armies competitive. A more cohesive citizenry yields a better armed force, which then explains the general atmosphere of politics at the time.

If Orwell couldn't see the warnings against a centralized authoritarian institution in his own works, then yes he is a fool.

But it is more likely that he was still enamored by the lie of democracy and was unaware of how it can be systematically undermined by thought control. Oh but wait, that is exactly what he wrote about in his book.

So it is more accurate to say he penned this work as a general warning of how the popular politics of his time can lead to exactly what it seeks to prevent, which is much closer to fact.

It could also be construed that he wrote this book to give light to the futility of all political theory, as the same war-minded authoritarian seems to win out in the end.

Either way, I'm sure he would agree with me when I say that you are hypocrite to call others smug when you yourself haven't substantiated an argument of your own.

Jeremiah Moore
Jeremiah Moore

Debunked by members of both spectrums

Henry Fisher
Henry Fisher

twitter.com/BasedBasterd/status/977952446122287109

March For Our Lives is a recruiting operation for Antifa.

Kids were being distributed anti-white, anti-cop propaganda at the event.
The deep state is now trying to swell its Alt-Left paramilitary group ranks with underage kids. SPREAD THIS INFO EVERYWHERE.

What this means:
THE DEEP STATE IS TRYING TO GET KIDS TO MURDER WHITE PEOPLE AND POLITICAL DISSIDENTS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

Antifa is connected to ISIS:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5018141/ISIS-connection-anarchists-revealed-Ed-Klein-book.html

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A Texan couple have been arrested in Boston after police found a haul of weapons inside their hotel room including AR-15 and AK-47 rifles along with parking tickets which suggest they were surveilling the site of Saturday's March for Our Lives protest.
Deep state is in panic. Get this out! A “mentally ill” man rambling about dealing with a virus and his wife armed with military restricted weaponry were arrested before they could “carry out their mission” at the March for Our Lives:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5550063/Couple-arrested-huge-stash-weapons-Boston-March-Lives-protest.html

Don’t let this be slid. They were plotting an attack like Las Vegas- many weapons lots of ammo. How the fuck did they get 40 mm ammunition? The elites are pushing for a civil war this year!!!!

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MORE

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Dylan Taylor
Dylan Taylor

We aren't destroying society. We are creating a world in which people work together, and cutthroat "competition" is no longer encouraged. That is CREATING society. A "society" in which struggling people are expected to fend for themselves is scarcely a society.

We aren't willing to compromise? Well ... we aren't willing to compromise with tyrants. Is that such a bad thing?

Leftists who try to "compromise" with everybody end up like Barack Obama. In other words, they fail at making any real changes.

Lincoln Hernandez
Lincoln Hernandez

Thanks for reposting ;)

Justin Reed
Justin Reed

I'm not sure if Orwell actually liked Trotsky. Didn't Orwell just see Trotsky as being less bad compared to Stalin?

Logan Edwards
Logan Edwards

I'm just saying that human beings are biologically programmed to be libertarian socialists.

In the modern world, libertarian socialist ideas are spreading across the internet. The libertarian socialist dream may soon become a reality.

Nolan Brooks
Nolan Brooks

It’s not just the grammar errors, it’s the conflation of liberalism with conservatism. Sounds like my fellow Amerimutt trying to newspeak like a poly-sci brainlet.

Nicholas Gomez
Nicholas Gomez

Stop putting the words in Orwell's mouth. He is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, and he explained what he meant and what he tried to achieve in detail. You are just practising demagogy in the face of clear cut evidence. no goys fascist and commies were friends!
I've never said that we are friends. I merely said that Mussolini did not consider Fascists the enemies of communists, and believed that they both fought the common enemy, quote, "plutocratic and reactionary democracies of the west", and quoted Mussolini where he explains just that.

So, are you implying that the founder of Fascism didn't understand jackshit about Fascism, just like Orwell didn't understand jackshit in a novel he himself wrote?

Parker Baker
Parker Baker

They likely weren't pondering complex ideologies, but they shared their food and made decisions cooperatively. They were essentially libertarian socialists in that regard.

They weren't constantly starving. Some parts of the natural world are very rich in food. How did they survive for thousands of years if they were constantly starving?

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

implying nazi germany wasn't full of neighbors reporting wrongthink and torture rooms

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Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

I've read 1984. Ingsoc is clearly supposed to be socialist in name only, just as Nazism is socialist in name only.

William Parker
William Parker

What could possibly be more self-absorbed than the narcissistic belief that the white race is under attack?

Jaxon James
Jaxon James

Both ideologies are vastly different in theory, however in practice from what we have seen so far are similar with the exception of fascism allowing for more private business and more economic inequality. Also commies tend to be way more genocidal with the exception of the Nazis being anyway near commie levels. Imo communism turns to be more like fascism in practice in the traditional and nationalistic since because the leaders of the communist parties realize that promoting degeneracy is not self sustainable and is against the betterment of the state

Ayden Phillips
Ayden Phillips

HURR DURR REVELATION
I’m an authoritarian

Ok, man of rule and law, then what problem have you with the fact that, in muh’merica, if one can’t take care of themselves by exercising dominion over their property/life, there are plenty of men/cops and women/judges whom will employ the state and a lawyer to do it for them via the (((law of the sea))) because, believe it or not, the US is already a fascist state with many a public servant tasked with relentlessly protecting BOTH the Federal Reserve’s financial interest AND the US Constitution (even though some surrender their rights to enjoy the latter by being a dumb fucks in need of the Nanny State).

I mean, America’s got it all seeing as Germany lost the War while the Nazi’s left Dodge city and regrouped in the Americas.

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Liam Wright
Liam Wright

Didn't Orwell just see Trotsky as being less bad compared to Stalin

IDK but Trotsky was way more interventionist then Stalin was and WW2 could have started a lot earlier.

Brody Diaz
Brody Diaz

No.

Authoritarianism first emerged in the ancient world. Some guy in the Egypt hoarded some farmland and declared himself to be a living god.

Throughout history, most authoritarianism has been a product of supernatural superstition, macho mythology, nationalism, or racial pseudoscience.

Not everyone who wants to free people from imperialism and wage slavery is being dishonest. Some people are actually honest about it.

Ethan Torres
Ethan Torres

You go on all you want about "private property rights" or whatever. I don't want to live in a "society" in which people don't have access to universal health care.

If the government only exists to protect private property rights, the poor will starve. After all, most of the land is already owned by the 1%. It can be every hard for a person without land to make a decent living in a society without a social safety net.

Your attitude towards politics and economics is frustratingly simplistic.

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

Truth

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Mason Walker
Mason Walker

desu it's easier to be an open fascist when you're a minority.

then privileged white kids can't say anything without you being able to play the "so my ideas don't matter because of the color of my skin?" card.

Jaxon Cruz
Jaxon Cruz

enlighten us, user
if not a socialist dystopian dictatorship, what was then?

Isaiah Diaz
Isaiah Diaz

I don’t wanna live in a world that denies universal healthcare in favor of property rights
Well, I agree, I’m all publicly funded military, infrastructure and possibly healthcare if the price gouging corporatism is left out of the equation.

However, the idea of “property” includes but is not limited to one’s own body, time, labor and free will.

What’s facilitating about the US system (which seeks to balance the interests of outright authoritarianism and sobering self governance) is that one doesn’t have to seek recourse against the government by filing a civil rights complaint when we also have the option to seek recourse by filing a claim for trespass on property.

Don’t get me wrong, this shithole is imperfect as fuck, but so too is the world and every other system of governance in it.. Bottom line: the Founding Fathers experiment has yet to perfect in practice that which was written on paper, and thats why patriots have no illusions of grandeur about gibfags who will rob, rape and murder a mother fucker, nor are they naive to the fact that the cops are always too late to save a grown tax paying goy who has to defend his life and/or property long enough to help pay his generation’s share of the National Debt...hence the Bill of Rights and specifically the 2nd Amendment. Hence why the US of A, though horrendously imperfect in practice, remains (on paper and practice) the greatest example of balancing the interests of totalitarianism and self governance, in human history, inn muh nut sew bumble op onion.

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Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

frustratingly simplistic.
spouts universal healthcare vs property rights dychotomy
boy liberals sure lack self awareness

Colton Reyes
Colton Reyes

It's pretty obvious that Ingsoc was supposed to be a fascist society.

Brody Ross
Brody Ross

this is so fucking dumb it must be subversion

Robert Diaz
Robert Diaz

english socialism frend

Alexander Hughes
Alexander Hughes

how convenient

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Josiah Scott
Josiah Scott

Doesn't realise that Orwell was a socialist

Whose the brainlet now?

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Justin Phillips
Justin Phillips

it literally has socialism in the fucking name retard

Jeremiah Reyes
Jeremiah Reyes

Just not suicidal

Jordan Rodriguez
Jordan Rodriguez

he styled it after the USSR retard

Jeremiah Ramirez
Jeremiah Ramirez

100 POST THREAD OF DISCUSSION OVER A BOOK NONE OF YOU READ

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingsoc

The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, by Emmanuel Goldstein, describes the Party's ideology as an Oligarchical Collectivism, which "rejects and vilifies every principle for which the Socialist movement originally stood, and it does so in the name of Socialism". It is noteworthy that, in the terms of the book, this ideology would be a form of doublethink.

Big Brother personifies the Inner Party, as the ubiquitous face constantly depicted in posters and the telescreen. Thus, Big Brother is constantly watching. Ingsoc demands the complete submission – mental, moral and physical – of the people, and will torture to achieve it (see Room 101). Ingsoc is a masterfully complex system of psychological control that compels confession to imagined crimes and the forgetting of rebellious thought in order to love Big Brother and the Party over oneself. The purpose of Ingsoc is political control, power per se; glibly, O'Brien explains to Smith:

The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

William Sullivan
William Sullivan

Why didn't you correct her you moron

Josiah Walker
Josiah Walker

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Alexander Richardson
Alexander Richardson

we've read it faggot, whats your point, wikipedia?

Ayden Gonzalez
Ayden Gonzalez

What if healthcare was accessible to everyone, and we had private property rights? Would you be okay with property rights then, if we were prosperous enough that "the poor" didnt starve?

We could have that, in a free market system that's not meddled with by a government that thinks it can fix poverty. Stop trying to control everything, let people own and trade, and people will prosper.

Jonathan Morris
Jonathan Morris

you didnt, the answer is in the fucking book

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

you do have access to it faggot its just not free, doctors gotta eat too bitch

Grayson Martin
Grayson Martin

its about both, its about authoratarianism you despicable retard

Caleb King
Caleb King

t. cia nigger

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

No, they are both totalitarian. Fascism is not just silencing dissent. It is a specific program to respond to specific historical conditions. This means stuff like autarky and mixed economics. Silencing dissent is something hardly unique to fascism.

Thomas Davis
Thomas Davis

you realize the nazis were socialists right?

Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

It falls under kike cuckoldry

Camden Edwards
Camden Edwards

the national socialists were the fascists

Samuel Turner
Samuel Turner

this is so fucking dumb it must be subversion
Are you referring to Mussolini's speech? Because that's the only thing I posted. Whom was he trying to subvert?

Matthew Robinson
Matthew Robinson

Leftists don't want to compromise so much they just want to widdle away whatever society there is super slowly if they have to
Sure, but what’s wielding away most at society other than globalism? And if that’s the case what nation left is there to bring down globalism other than Russia and the USA? If those two countries fail in that endeavor then what snowball chance in hell do all ye NatSoc folk have to foment your grand ethno-State in the clouds? Serious question.

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Colton Foster
Colton Foster

i was refering to your use of that quote

Austin Collins
Austin Collins

Lots of societies that aren't socialist claim to be socialist.

For example, China claims to be socialist even though it is full of children working for Western corporations.

Andrew Hall
Andrew Hall

So what about it? Point the contradiction between the quotes listed and my summary of those.

Gabriel Scott
Gabriel Scott

its is placement in the context of the discussion what is subversive, not the validty of its content

Ayden Reyes
Ayden Reyes

Actually, 1984 is not about any ideology, it talks about totalitarism taken to the extreme

Hudson Myers
Hudson Myers

tfw not even Orwell himself was capable of defining fascism concretely
archive.is/dtLsa

Nolan Watson
Nolan Watson

there's a difference between playing it smart and knowing everything has a time and place vs. being loud, proud, and real stupid.

Jeremiah Wood
Jeremiah Wood

He was also a Catholic satanist

Evan Cox
Evan Cox

I'm a national socialist in the UK, I make my beliefs known to everyone I talk to where appropriate. I don't force it down their throats, but if conversations steer towards politics I have absolutely no fear of chiming in and letting people know what I believe. I wont always say outright "I am a national socialist otherwise known as a nazi" but I put my beliefs out there. Many people I know do know I'm a national socialist though through me just openly telling them "I'm a national socialist."

If I'm openly national socialist in the UK what the fuck is your excuse faggot? Some of you fucking pussies are even afraid to tell your own family about your political beliefs. The "hide your power level" stuff is just a fucking PUSSY excuse. If you're fucking autistic though you probably should keep your spergy fucking mouth shut forever because you probably wont get anyone to respect your ideas like I can.

Grayson Bailey
Grayson Bailey

you realize you're a fucking retard right?

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Robert Green
Robert Green

That would be nice.

Such a society would also need campaign finance restriction or else it would decay into crony capitalism.

youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

no the itialian fascist were...the nazis were socialist

Austin Anderson
Austin Anderson

OP says fascist, laddie, checkm8

Xavier Baker
Xavier Baker

riiiight, theyre working for western corporations and the communist government has nothing to do with it, wake up tardo

Andrew Wright
Andrew Wright

In most developed countries, doctors are paid by the government. That seems to be working fine.

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

Of course it is subversive. Describing truth backed up by concrete evidence is bound to subvert people believing the falsehoods it contradicts.

What of it?

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

No wonder they took your knives. You're a danger to yourself.

Jordan Cook
Jordan Cook

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Jose Reed
Jose Reed

Nazis and 1984 weren't REAL socialism...

Zachary Jenkins
Zachary Jenkins

They pretty much had the same economic model you dipshit. Both were fascist systems.

Kevin Barnes
Kevin Barnes

Got any proof of that?

Are you implying that the philosophers of the 18th century liberal enlightenment were all Jews?

Juan Walker
Juan Walker

pretty much

Isaac Scott
Isaac Scott

Orwell is literally famous for his stance on communism is she retarded? Lemme guess she thought animal farm was about Nazi germany

Nathaniel Wood
Nathaniel Wood

Orwell or rather Blair as he was actually called ('Orwell' is a pen name) wrote his notes for nineteen eightyfour whilst hiding in a stationary cupboard at the BBC's Broadcasting House where he worked.
Big Brother (BB) is the BBC ('Aunty' as it likes to call itself).
Blair/Orwell was lots of things at various stages of his life. (He was a British Colonial Police Officer for example but later a revolutionary anarchist in the Spanish Civil war).
He got a lot of experience and made very inciteful and acurate predictions for the future of Britain. He wasn't engaging in either communism or fashism. He was writing a dystopian warning, that was also to be a good book.

Blake Collins
Blake Collins

its subversive cause one can find quotes from politicians saying all sort of crap, thats what politicians do, it isnt real proof of anything

Luke Mitchell
Luke Mitchell

Believe it or not there's no law in this country where it says "being a national socialist is illegal" if I was throwing around racial slurs like a low-iq skinhead retard then yeah I'd have reason to worry but they haven't made it illegal to believe what I believe, at least not yet. I'll happily use this freedom while it lasts.

Gabriel Gutierrez
Gabriel Gutierrez

not knowing george orwell died a socialist

Leo Campbell
Leo Campbell

Don't hide your power level.

Bentley Harris
Bentley Harris

your country is fugged regardless mate, assuming youre from the country which the poster displayed

Jack Watson
Jack Watson

Britain is gone my dude. I’m sorry that you’re trapped on that island, but at least go with a loud bloody fight so you can show the rest of the world their fates.

Adam Gonzalez
Adam Gonzalez

He wouldn't be in University if he didn't hide his power level. Hell I almost got expelled just for defending myself against white male privileged.
Not even arguing. Just saying, "listen let's just agree to disagree:.

Jacob Reed
Jacob Reed

The gets for both of you are confusing

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

bring up 1984 like a normie
she thinks 1984 is about fascism not communism

It's about totalitarianism which is both.

Isaac Sullivan
Isaac Sullivan

Forcing children to work for Western corporations is not communist. It's capitalist.

Matthew Peterson
Matthew Peterson

Orwell could not even define fascism

Caleb Scott
Caleb Scott

wrong

Luis Edwards
Luis Edwards

hide your power level
subvert the institutions
become the kike

Luke Cook
Luke Cook

Try reading a book sometime.

Robert Jones
Robert Jones

redistributing their wealth

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

They weren't real socialism.

Africa is full of real capitalism though.

Angel Wood
Angel Wood

Look up the death of the author. To these people any piece of information means whatever they interpret it to mean. 1984 is about fascism because that is what she draws from it, the original authorial intent be damned.

Juan Hernandez
Juan Hernandez

yea this is the reality
fascism is at least aspirational though
socialism is just whiny child mentality

Hunter Rogers
Hunter Rogers

almost as if art is subjective or some shit

Christopher Sanders
Christopher Sanders

The third world is full of sweatshops where kids make clothes for Western corporations.

If that isn't capitalist, then what is it?

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

Try using a real argument instead of vague language.

Mason Gomez
Mason Gomez

Fascism looks to the heavens
socialism looks for food
capitalism taking advantage of those communist governments subjection and enslavement of their own people

Justin Cox
Justin Cox

art isnt subjective, people who say that are lazy

Wyatt White
Wyatt White

Wealth redistribution sorta happens in capitalism in an odd sort of way.

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Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

If they come for me I'll have no regrets, I'll defend myself, I'm ready to be martyred and lose everything for what I believe. They can put guns to my fucking head, I'll still be a proud national socialist in the face of death. I'm done with this cucked fucking world, this country, so fucking done with it. I'd be proud to be sent to jail for what I believe in this fucking faggot country.

Send your tips to GCHQ faggots, I'll be fucking waiting.

Wyatt Miller
Wyatt Miller

Fascism is all about the jock douchebag mentality.

Socialism is about ending war and starvation.

Matthew Lopez
Matthew Lopez

Sound more blackpilled than natsoc

Anthony Turner
Anthony Turner

socialism is about endin war and starvation
I mean if war and starvation will lead to less war and starvation I suppose so
the absolute state of leaf logic

Grayson Rodriguez
Grayson Rodriguez

Fascism is all about the jock douchebag mentality.
I'm glad the ideology is dead then. We don't need any white niggers

Sebastian Gutierrez
Sebastian Gutierrez

youre gonna tell me, that even though something like the lord of the rings, which the author himself said is a new mythology for the anglo world and not allegorical , isnt re interpreted by any and every faggot who has an opinion??, art may be intended to be objective but it can by its very nature be misinterpreted easily

Kevin Taylor
Kevin Taylor

Karl Marx spoke out against children being used for cheap labor. How can a country that uses children as a source of cheap labor be considered communist?

Most third world countries are actually conservative capitalist countries. Most of those countries don't even have universal healthcare.

Aiden Harris
Aiden Harris

Yeah Hitler was totally fucking blackpilled when he showed defiance to the system in court and proudly went to fucking jail for what he did, winning over the public with his defence in court. I'm not even half the man he was, at least not yet, but what I can do is have that same fucking attitude towards the current system of so called "justice" by having no fucking regrets if/when they come for me.

Leo Allen
Leo Allen

Facism and communism are both ultimately a form of groupism, where everyone in group contributes all of their resources to the group’s goals and those who don’t/oppose are forcibly removed. In facism, the group is the nation/state. In communism, the group is the working class.

Lucas Powell
Lucas Powell

someone please kill this leaf faggot or inform him that globalism and the imf that bankrupts tiny countries and enslaves their workers is communist as fuck

Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

no just aiming for a job beyond recycling bottles or collecting NEETbux

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Luis Hill
Luis Hill

thats another thing entirely, you are saying that the imagination of the receiver also plays a big role in the experience, i agree

but all im saying is that artistic skill is an objective technique of manipulating the human sensory input, and in a lesser degree, of the collective mindset

in fact you could say the sweet spot is when the artist is so in tune with this collective mindset that the imagination of the author and the receiver becomes indistinguishable

Easton Robinson
Easton Robinson

Make your own money retard

Grayson Bailey
Grayson Bailey

capitalism taking advantage of those communist governments subjection and enslavement of their own people
IF ONLY EVERYONE WAS COMMUNIST SO EVERYONE JUST STARVED WITHOUT REALIZING IT SUCKS

Jonathan Fisher
Jonathan Fisher

Yeah, I said "collect bottles" already

Kevin Lee
Kevin Lee

Hitler should have won. Our grandparents were fools.

Ethan Reyes
Ethan Reyes

and there are also lots of workers that receive surplus value from their boss
for example when a woman starts a business with her hubands money
also when jews take over managements of long-running companies with decades of credibility ad surplus value and just start looting them and destroying them

Mason Gomez
Mason Gomez

True fascism hasn't been tried.

Leo Adams
Leo Adams

ok, i agree

Mason Wilson
Mason Wilson

jej

Christopher Turner
Christopher Turner

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Nathaniel Lopez
Nathaniel Lopez

but to your point, pleddit spacing, i would say that the artist always has an objective intent. its their ability to tune into that collective consciousness frequency that determines its effectiveness or subjectivity

Jonathan Hernandez
Jonathan Hernandez

If you have a nuclear family you are a microsocialist
You distribute wealth to the kids and wife who aren't able to work until they can fend for themselves and eventually provide for you
Works in that micro scale but having an entire country forced to do that for each other is a lot to ask

Thomas Reyes
Thomas Reyes

Do you have no fucking ambition or what? Why do you think the only way to make your own money is by collecting bottles? How much money do you need exactly? Lemmie guess you want to live the good goy life with a fucking supercar, a 4 bedroom house with 2 toilets and enough food to feed an entire fucking town to stuff your gluttonous fucking face with. Hitler was living as a fucking vagrant painting portraits to get by before he became the leader of his country.

It's really no wonder the world is so fucked today, it's populated by a bunch of comfortable cowards like you who want to live a fucking typical consumerist lifestyle and you can't tolerate the thought of real toil and hardship. I'm not blackpilled though, I still think you faggots can be whipped into shape and inspired. Maybe one day you'll be as driven as Hitler.

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

How the fuck in the International Monetary Fund not capitalist?

Logan Miller
Logan Miller

is not my fault pleddit does the same i do, i never posted or lurked there

maybe there ought to be a word for an objective collection of subjectivities, but i think its at what we are both hinting, some sort of shared mind of a community that reveals itself to its own creators through culture

Nathaniel Baker
Nathaniel Baker

tribes are completely fascist you dumb fuck
behavior is highly regulated
goals are aligned
lazy losers are booted
fascism is HUMANITY

Joseph Bailey
Joseph Bailey

Worse, they don't want you to do that for the nation, but for every POC in the world.

Tyler Ortiz
Tyler Ortiz

international
globalist
how are you not getting this, comminism is the problem not capitalism

Cameron Reyes
Cameron Reyes

1984 is against authoritarians. orwell does have an essay or book that makes fun of socialists, but i forget the title. it’s about english peasants

Dominic Gomez
Dominic Gomez

interdasting
or is it subjective collection of objectives
panjectivist

Samuel Reed
Samuel Reed

In Paleolithic societies, everyone in the tribe shared everything and the kids were raised by the whole tribe, not just their biological parents.

Tyler Fisher
Tyler Fisher

objectivities*
thats interesting shit though, like the artist never truly knows the intent of their work until it reveals itself though its effect on its audience... grug brain hurt

Jose Wilson
Jose Wilson

Nope.

In primitive tribes, people are free. Behavior is not highly regulated.

When the Romans were conquering the Germanic tribes, the Germanic people ran onto the battlefield, driven by rage. They didn't even have battle formations because they were so individualistic.

You are also ignoring the fact that decadent, opulent, idle rich brats have existed in every fascist society ever.

William Adams
William Adams

Doesnt realize that Orwell saw exactly what Communists and Fascists were and was a "NO TRUE SOCIALISM" faggot.

After all of his experiences Orwell detested the concept of the state and the inherent exclusivity of power contained within.

Power is not a means, it is an end

Dylan Hall
Dylan Hall

Nations are an illusion.

I don't want white people to distribute wealth to all people of color. Some of them are billionaires after all.

Black rich assholes are exactly the same as white/Jewish/Arab/whatever rich assholes to me.

Josiah Morris
Josiah Morris

llolllllolololol

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Lucas Anderson
Lucas Anderson

jesus CHRIST
look at the outcomes they create
slave labor
they shop the govt most willing to sacrifice its young
probably because thats also the government willing to let kikes literally slaughter and rape their young

Oliver Clark
Oliver Clark

In primitive tribes, people are free. Behavior is not highly regulated.
OH COME ON
please tell me youre trolling
nobody is gonna let the smelly whiny useless faggot stick around that dude is OUT OUT OUT
and thats it. thats fascism. you have such a fucking canadian understanding of the world
ungendered nonhuman swine

Owen Reed
Owen Reed

You are a retard. Capitalism naturally becomes internationalist eventually. Businesspeople can make more money by expanding across the world. That's capitalism.

Anti-globalist capitalist societies can never last because the megacorps do not want to be bound to one country. They are loyal only to their quest for cash.

Capitalism has become globalist in recent years because modern shipping techniques and communication technology have made international trade possible on a massive scale.

Patriotic isolationism cannot coexist with modern technology. Technology has killed nationalism and there is no going back.

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

fpbp

Samuel Perez
Samuel Perez

PJW tries Sup Forums

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

A shocking amount of people in this thread are completely blind to the concept of wage slavery.

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Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

muh orwellian horseshoe

Anthony Martin
Anthony Martin

I'LL NEVER BE A FUCKING KIKE.

Unlike you I believe true European values and strategies are superior to subversive KIKE bullshit. You're a cuck, you're essentially admitting to yourself that kike tactics and strategies are superior, they're not, Europeans have merely lost their way for a multitude of reasons.

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