Be me

>be me
>secret fascist in uni
>talking to leftie female friend
>complete roastie
>she hates censorship
>bring up 1984 like a normie
>she thinks 1984 is about fascism not communism
>tfw lefties don’t understand that 1984 is what any leftist ideology ultimately evolves into or already has envolved into

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>secret fascist
>secret
So you're a pussy?

>be brainlet
>don't realize Orwell was a libertarian socialist

>she thinks 1984 is about fascism not communism
Or, it's against authoritarian regimes in general, which both ideologies have the potential to fall under

>doesn’t understand that socialism can’t be libertarian and that George Orwell was a meme

based centrist cuck

>she thinks 1984 is about fascism not communism
Psst, communists can be fascist, fascism is using force and intimidation to silence political opposition.

So then why did you make a thread about 1984? Also read Homage to Catalonia

You sound like a YouTuber

I dunno man, being a fascist in a workplace where you have rights and people understand what reality is like is one thing, being a fascist when you're a student with no rights and surrounded by people who think they are the next civil rights leader is another. I wouldn't call someone who tip toes through a den of vipers a pussy

>read homage to Catolonia
>George Orwell is crying because he was BFTOd by fascists and communists
>George Orwell cries about how bad both are like a shill

Orwell was a socialist

>libertarian socialist
here (you) go

Hide your power level, user

I wasn't aware that classical liberalism fell under centrism, but alright

Better drop the subtle hints since the average normie is preconditioned to have a knee-jerk reaction to certain statement no matter how correct they are. Most people have to be eased into the redpill.

If you walk around autistically screeching "gas the jews race war now" you are dumber than the Commies.

Yes thank you

No it isn't, you retard. You don't know what fascism is.

Wow. Just wow. To expose yourself as a smug imbecile in your own OP post.

>Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.
(Orwell, Why I Write)

If we are talking about reallife inspiration of 1984, it is Britain in all aspects, and Soviet Union in a general political scene.

Strictly speaking, original Fascists, I.E. Mussolini crowd, did not have a particular stance on Marxism.

Socialism envolves into authoritarianism (Stalinism and modern day information suppression) that’s what you highschool and college fags don’t understand
Look at Sweden and England
Memes aside both are authoritarian in the sense they suppress information and dissent in the name of diversity and tolerance all adding more prove to my statement that all leftist policies evolve into communist style authoritarianism

Query: If one is to have a government at all, would you prefer a National (((Socialist))) government, a (((Communist))) government or a constitutional republic wherein securing and protecting individual and national sovereignty (as much is possible absent state and federal machinations) is the paramount objective of said government, to be enjoyed, of course, by grown-up self respecting men and women who don’t cross the Golden Rule?

I mean, are you a Nanny State cuck, or a fucking man capable of exercising dominion over that which is exclusive to you, i.e. your property/life, and, can you exercise such without trespassing upon another man’s right to do the same? That’s the question in a constitutional republic like the USA.

Grown-Up State > Nanny State

>mfw OP thinks 1984 isn’t about one and/or the other version of any form of authoritarianism aka fascism/communism

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fascism is literally just for stopping communistic subversion

it was done out of fear

weird how people even here don't understand this. You shouldn't 'want' fascism. It's simply just a way to defend yourself from communists, putting it simply. Being a 'secret fascist' is the stupidest thing i've ever heard

We are not talking about political beliefs. But about a simple fact of contents of 1984, which you are wrong about despite thinking otherwise and being smug and ignorant about it.

>be drooling marxist retards
>i once read some marxist retard macro that said he used the word socialism and shit so he is literally Stalin

Didn’t know shills use triple parentheses now I thought they weren’t allowed to
But whatever I read right through your big words and your failed attempt to sound smart you could have just Jewish Pull yourself up by the boots Conservativism is better accordingly you than prioritizing your country and it’s people without the state ownership of everything

You're an idiot.

George Orwell was a democratic socialist. 1984 was a criticism of both fascism and Stalinism, since Orwell saw them as being two sides of the same coin.

Gosh, you are even more of a moron than the OP. Orwell himself stated his position directly .

I'm also not sure why you bring up Stalin. Orwell disliked Stalin and favoured Trotsky, so?

>Implying that not I’m dropping redpills low key and not trying to stop subversion in my uni

>which you are wrong about despite thinking otherwise and being smug and ignorant about it.
Hahahahah here is your (You) retard.

see

All humans were libertarian socialists in the Paleolithic era. This lasted thousands of years.

>Two sides of the same coin
Fuck off leaf they’re completely different you sound like everything other fakewoke trumptard where I study

I see that you resort to petty insults, being unable to uphold discussion or react to evidence provided by me in any reasonable way.

>Lolbertarian socialist
dude weed, fag rights, electronic festivals, christian bad, pay for tyrones and sheboon kids, we wuz one race.

Leftists don't want to compromise so much they just want to widdle away whatever society there is super slowly if they have to.

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>Favored (((Trotsky)))
>George Orwell had a crush on commiekikes that wanted to rule over the working class as a new political elite

>Implying this is relevant in modern times

Yea ppl dont get that. Fascism only comes into existence because other ideologies are to weak to fight communism. It saves society as Mises even said

Not really.

Using force and intimidation to silence political opposition is authoritarianism. Fascism is a particular type of authoritarianism that focuses on machismo and excessive patriotism, though other forms of authoritarianism exist.

>Potential
user, authoritarianism is the backbone of both ideologies.

>people who were constantly starving were thinking of complex ideologies.
They were trying to survive thats it.

... though the vast majority of fascists hate communism because they see it as internationalist and feminist.

>be brainlet
>not knowing Ingsoc is short for English Socialism
>not knowing Orwell wrote these precisely as a reaction of what he saw socialist dictatorships ended up being

>the only way I can be public about what I believe is by going around autistically screeching "gas the jews race war now"
This is why you fail, this is why you're too much of a coward to make your views public because you can't imagine how you could express them without making yourself look like a fucking raging autist.

Considering how you post he is entirely correct to ridicule you for calling others smug.

>Yea ppl dont get that. Fascism only comes into existence because other ideologies are to weak to fight communism. It saves society as Mises even said
Fascists that don't even know what actual fascists thought and believed. Typical.

>Tomorrow, Fascists and communists, both persecuted by the police, may arrive at an agreement, sinking their differences until the time comes to share the spoils. I realise that though there are no political affinities between us, there are plenty of intellectual affinities. Like them, we believe in the necessity for a centralised and unitary state, imposing an iron discipline on everyone, but with the difference that they reach this conclusion through the idea of class, we through the idea of the nation.

>We go to battle against the plutocratic and reactionary democracies of the west… This gigantic struggle is nothing other than a phase in the logical development of our revolution; it is the struggle of peoples that are poor but rich in workers against the exploiters who hold on ferociously to the monopoly off all the riches and all the gold of the earth…
(Mussolini)

Fascists were opposed to Plutocratic liberal democracies, and rather viewed themselves similar to communists and socialists, but better.

>provides the usual evidence confirming he is just the usual smug and ignorant drooling marxist retard who doesnt know or understand shit about the contents of 1984 despite thinking otherwise
>starts projecting when called out
I see you are like all the other selfabsorbed marxist cunts.

Found the pedo

>Conservativism is better accordingly you than prioritizing your country and it’s people without the state ownership of everything
Sombody needs to program these bots to construct proper sentences that don’t read like a shitpile of Amerrimutt poly-sci psychobabble.

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How are modern hate speech laws even remotely comparable to Stalinism?

What makes you think that Stalin was promoting authoritarianism in the name of diversity and tolerance? Didn't you see what he did to the Russian Jews?

Are there any world leaders who are seriously creating authoritarianism in the name of tolerance? I can't think of any.

so did you get her number? or are you sleeping alone again user?

LOL Look at this "internet tough guy" dipshit.

If you want to live in a country where the government doesn't look out for the average person, move to Tanzania. See how "manly" you truly are.

>Roastie

Are you seriously implying that George Orwell, the one who penned 1984, doesn't understand shit about its' contents? Because that is literally what you are saying, and my god you are embarassing yourself as both an idiot and a hypocrite.

The way authoritarianism takes shapes changes throughout history first was working class emancipation then for freedom from imperialism and now for diversity and tolerance

>A bot making grammar errors
Even Russian and Chinese bots don’t make grammar errors

This post is barely coherent, but I'm going to assume that you are claiming that all socialism is Stalinism.

That's like saying all Christians are Fred Phelps.

THIS
Socialism, Fascism, Communism: all different means to the same authoritarian ends.

Only an idiot, a shill or a mod would insist otherwise.

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Op here
I want everyone to know that George Orwell was too nice for his own good and didn’t realize that most forms of leftist policies result in authoritarianism and the reaso for this transfer to authoritarianism changes over time

Fascism and Stalinism are similar in several ways. Both are excessively patriotic. Both trample on the rights of the average citizen. Both are not afraid of committing mass murder. Both rely on state censorship.

In fascism, there is more private business and more machismo, but they are very similar in other aspects.

>HURR DURR REVELATION
I’m a fascist of coarse I want authoritarianism
This purpose of this thread was to inform you that leftism always results in some sort of authoritarianism and the reason for it changes over time but fascism is a reaction to it and not necessarily the same as left wing authoritarianism

Did you smash the roast?

You just gave a watered down version of the 2 most complex philosophies and compared them as if they weren’t complete foils of each other

Libertarian socialism could save lives since it could end war and starvation.

Libertarian socialism isn't about demonising Christianity. We just don't want Christianity to be forced on anyone who doesn't want it.

I wish bro

Communism and Fascism are the same thing.

Never heard of horseshoe theory?

>If you want to live in a country where the government doesn't look out for the average person, move to ( X )
Your reading comprehension is decomposing like leaf in the winter
How does “securing and protecting individual and national sovereignty” as the “paramount objective of a constitutional government” not specifically entail “the government looking out for the average person” regardless of their race, politics, sex, religion etc? That’s literally what it’s designed to do.

What kind of stupid are you hoping your audience is?

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>no goys fascist and commies were friends!
Marxist truly are braindead. Goymunism is just Jewish subverted nationalism; you are taking nationalistic views and assuming they are socialist in nature, meaning you completely disregard the context of the political climate in Europe at that time.

All of these ideologies were capitalizing on nationalistic tendencies forged through a generation of small but intense warfare in Europe, closely followed by the conscription of citizens to keep armies competitive. A more cohesive citizenry yields a better armed force, which then explains the general atmosphere of politics at the time.

If Orwell couldn't see the warnings against a centralized authoritarian institution in his own works, then yes he is a fool.

But it is more likely that he was still enamored by the lie of democracy and was unaware of how it can be systematically undermined by thought control. Oh but wait, that is exactly what he wrote about in his book.

So it is more accurate to say he penned this work as a general warning of how the popular politics of his time can lead to exactly what it seeks to prevent, which is much closer to fact.

It could also be construed that he wrote this book to give light to the futility of all political theory, as the same war-minded authoritarian seems to win out in the end.

Either way, I'm sure he would agree with me when I say that you are hypocrite to call others smug when you yourself haven't substantiated an argument of your own.

Debunked by members of both spectrums

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March For Our Lives is a recruiting operation for Antifa.

Kids were being distributed anti-white, anti-cop propaganda at the event.
The deep state is now trying to swell its Alt-Left paramilitary group ranks with underage kids. SPREAD THIS INFO EVERYWHERE.

>What this means:
THE DEEP STATE IS TRYING TO GET KIDS TO MURDER WHITE PEOPLE AND POLITICAL DISSIDENTS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

>Antifa is connected to ISIS:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5018141/ISIS-connection-anarchists-revealed-Ed-Klein-book.html

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> A Texan couple have been arrested in Boston after police found a haul of weapons inside their hotel room including AR-15 and AK-47 rifles along with parking tickets which suggest they were surveilling the site of Saturday's March for Our Lives protest.
Deep state is in panic. Get this out! A “mentally ill” man rambling about dealing with a virus and his wife armed with military restricted weaponry were arrested before they could “carry out their mission” at the March for Our Lives:

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Don’t let this be slid. They were plotting an attack like Las Vegas- many weapons lots of ammo. How the fuck did they get 40 mm ammunition? The elites are pushing for a civil war this year!!!!

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>MORE

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We aren't destroying society. We are creating a world in which people work together, and cutthroat "competition" is no longer encouraged. That is CREATING society. A "society" in which struggling people are expected to fend for themselves is scarcely a society.

We aren't willing to compromise? Well ... we aren't willing to compromise with tyrants. Is that such a bad thing?

Leftists who try to "compromise" with everybody end up like Barack Obama. In other words, they fail at making any real changes.

Thanks for reposting ;)

I'm not sure if Orwell actually liked Trotsky. Didn't Orwell just see Trotsky as being less bad compared to Stalin?

I'm just saying that human beings are biologically programmed to be libertarian socialists.

In the modern world, libertarian socialist ideas are spreading across the internet. The libertarian socialist dream may soon become a reality.

It’s not just the grammar errors, it’s the conflation of liberalism with conservatism. Sounds like my fellow Amerimutt trying to newspeak like a poly-sci brainlet.

Stop putting the words in Orwell's mouth. He is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, and he explained what he meant and what he tried to achieve in detail. You are just practising demagogy in the face of clear cut evidence. >no goys fascist and commies were friends!
I've never said that we are friends. I merely said that Mussolini did not consider Fascists the enemies of communists, and believed that they both fought the common enemy, quote, "plutocratic and reactionary democracies of the west", and quoted Mussolini where he explains just that.

So, are you implying that the founder of Fascism didn't understand jackshit about Fascism, just like Orwell didn't understand jackshit in a novel he himself wrote?

They likely weren't pondering complex ideologies, but they shared their food and made decisions cooperatively. They were essentially libertarian socialists in that regard.

They weren't constantly starving. Some parts of the natural world are very rich in food. How did they survive for thousands of years if they were constantly starving?

>implying nazi germany wasn't full of neighbors reporting wrongthink and torture rooms

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I've read 1984. Ingsoc is clearly supposed to be socialist in name only, just as Nazism is socialist in name only.

What could possibly be more self-absorbed than the narcissistic belief that the white race is under attack?

Both ideologies are vastly different in theory, however in practice from what we have seen so far are similar with the exception of fascism allowing for more private business and more economic inequality. Also commies tend to be way more genocidal with the exception of the Nazis being anyway near commie levels. Imo communism turns to be more like fascism in practice in the traditional and nationalistic since because the leaders of the communist parties realize that promoting degeneracy is not self sustainable and is against the betterment of the state

>HURR DURR REVELATION
>I’m an authoritarian

Ok, man of rule and law, then what problem have you with the fact that, in muh’merica, if one can’t take care of themselves by exercising dominion over their property/life, there are plenty of men/cops and women/judges whom will employ the state and a lawyer to do it for them via the (((law of the sea))) because, believe it or not, the US is already a fascist state with many a public servant tasked with relentlessly protecting BOTH the Federal Reserve’s financial interest AND the US Constitution (even though some surrender their rights to enjoy the latter by being a dumb fucks in need of the Nanny State).

I mean, America’s got it all seeing as Germany lost the War while the Nazi’s left Dodge city and regrouped in the Americas.

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>Didn't Orwell just see Trotsky as being less bad compared to Stalin

IDK but Trotsky was way more interventionist then Stalin was and WW2 could have started a lot earlier.

No.

Authoritarianism first emerged in the ancient world. Some guy in the Egypt hoarded some farmland and declared himself to be a living god.

Throughout history, most authoritarianism has been a product of supernatural superstition, macho mythology, nationalism, or racial pseudoscience.

Not everyone who wants to free people from imperialism and wage slavery is being dishonest. Some people are actually honest about it.

You go on all you want about "private property rights" or whatever. I don't want to live in a "society" in which people don't have access to universal health care.

If the government only exists to protect private property rights, the poor will starve. After all, most of the land is already owned by the 1%. It can be every hard for a person without land to make a decent living in a society without a social safety net.

Your attitude towards politics and economics is frustratingly simplistic.

Truth

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desu it's easier to be an open fascist when you're a minority.

then privileged white kids can't say anything without you being able to play the "so my ideas don't matter because of the color of my skin?" card.

enlighten us, user
if not a socialist dystopian dictatorship, what was then?

>I don’t wanna live in a world that denies universal healthcare in favor of property rights
Well, I agree, I’m all publicly funded military, infrastructure and possibly healthcare if the price gouging corporatism is left out of the equation.

However, the idea of “property” includes but is not limited to one’s own body, time, labor and free will.

What’s facilitating about the US system (which seeks to balance the interests of outright authoritarianism and sobering self governance) is that one doesn’t have to seek recourse against the government by filing a civil rights complaint when we also have the option to seek recourse by filing a claim for trespass on property.

Don’t get me wrong, this shithole is imperfect as fuck, but so too is the world and every other system of governance in it.. Bottom line: the Founding Fathers experiment has yet to perfect in practice that which was written on paper, and thats why patriots have no illusions of grandeur about gibfags who will rob, rape and murder a mother fucker, nor are they naive to the fact that the cops are always too late to save a grown tax paying goy who has to defend his life and/or property long enough to help pay his generation’s share of the National Debt...hence the Bill of Rights and specifically the 2nd Amendment. Hence why the US of A, though horrendously imperfect in practice, remains (on paper and practice) the greatest example of balancing the interests of totalitarianism and self governance, in human history, inn muh nut sew bumble op onion.

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>frustratingly simplistic.
>spouts universal healthcare vs property rights dychotomy
boy liberals sure lack self awareness

It's pretty obvious that Ingsoc was supposed to be a fascist society.

this is so fucking dumb it must be subversion

english socialism frend

how convenient

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>Doesn't realise that Orwell was a socialist

Whose the brainlet now?

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it literally has socialism in the fucking name retard

Just not suicidal

he styled it after the USSR retard

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>The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, by Emmanuel Goldstein, describes the Party's ideology as an Oligarchical Collectivism, which "rejects and vilifies every principle for which the Socialist movement originally stood, and it does so in the name of Socialism". It is noteworthy that, in the terms of the book, this ideology would be a form of doublethink.

>Big Brother personifies the Inner Party, as the ubiquitous face constantly depicted in posters and the telescreen. Thus, Big Brother is constantly watching. Ingsoc demands the complete submission – mental, moral and physical – of the people, and will torture to achieve it (see Room 101). Ingsoc is a masterfully complex system of psychological control that compels confession to imagined crimes and the forgetting of rebellious thought in order to love Big Brother and the Party over oneself. The purpose of Ingsoc is political control, power per se; glibly, O'Brien explains to Smith:

>The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.