Was ww2 really like this Sup Forums Did the amerimuts really do so little?
Was ww2 really like this Sup Forums Did the amerimuts really do so little?
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Nah, this is how it really is
What they teach about WW 2 in American public schools has ALWAYS been a crock of shit.
I do know one thing. The entire DoD and intel community is convinced it was Infosec and propaganda that won.
surrendering sniveling pussies are convinced we didnt win them the war.
the US basically came in late and planted a flag on Iwo Jima (did you know because they didn't get a good shot of it the media asked them to do it again and the soldiers pictured are actually recreating what had already happened)
you nuked Japan and gave birth to anime, that was your contribution
"On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."
-Boris Vadimovich Sokolov
Hitler and Japan win if the US stays (totally) neutral, it's that simple.
no, dinosaurs were extinct by 1939
I know a Russian immigrant whose father fought in WW2, he said if it were up to him he'd make a giant monument to Spam in the middle of Stalingrad because when they finally got American supplies they had been reduced to eating rats and worse. He said the Americans provided the means to fight, nearly every bullet, every can of food, every truck. Lend-Lease funded the entire war effort for the Allies, Soviet, Britain, whatever. On top of that, the Marshall Plan rebuilt western Europe and they still have the gall to be indignant to Americans saying we didn't pull our weight in the war.
I'm inclined to believe our role in WWII was small, but all of the online posters from the losing side are butthurt towards us over WWII, which contradicts that claim.
poland part of the nazi regime
what did OP mean by this?
They did nazi it coming.
we had a teacher say that we joined world war two to defend the jews. i don't know if it was the most bluepilled or redpilled thing i've ever heard
The Americans probably shortened the war by about 5-6 years, if the US didn't get involved in Europe they would have still been fighting in 1950 and it would have been a shitload worse for all of Europe.
I just love the fact that we could export all our kikes to Sweden and still be considered heroes.
How's that multicultural feminist utopia doing my friend?
U.S. contribution was decisive and major from the very moment of entry. By 1942, at least half of German military spending was focused on areas where they specifically would have to fight the West in, such as AA defenses, and by 1943 the overwhelming majority of the Wehrmacht, including nearly half of the Panzer Divisions, were already in the West. By 1944, over 50% of said Divisions were now in the West.
In early 1942, the Finns elected to not attack the important Murmansk Railway due to American diplomatic pressure. Operation Torch later in the year forced Hitler to divert forces from Operation Winter Storm, the relief attempt of Stalingrad. In 1943, Kursk was ended despite the great successes of II SS Panzer due to the need to counter Operation Husky. In 1944, when the Soviets launched their most famous offensive of Bagration, Army Group Center had been stripped of tanks (Sent to France), fighter cover (Sent to the Reich for homeland defense) and artillery ammunition (General shortages existed due to the need to defend the Reich with AA).
Not even getting into the Lend Lease issue alone proves the value of the American contribution to the War. Further, a review of the casualty counts will reveal the Anglo-Americans inflicted more than the Soviets; Pro-Soviets only cite the KIA, instead of both the captured AND WIA counts, which find the West was doing just as much if not more than the Soviets, in a far more humane fashion.
Japan was not a tiny dino. They had conquered all of the major chunks of Eastern Asia and practically all SE Asia and the Pacific islands. It was hard as hell to beat them in that arena. Soviet fuckers were nowhere to be seen at Iwo Jima.
did you know because they didn't get a good shot of it the media asked them to do it again and the soldiers pictured are actually recreating what had already happened)
Did you know that all of those photos were damaged and completely unusable and the classic one that everyone knows was the original the photographers actually wanted to throw away.
now make those little dinosaurs without claws, teeth, eyes, or tough skin then show the U.S. dino arming/feeding/giving them eyes/armor with U.S. dinosaurs thrown in with the rest to account for the 300,000 who died fighting Germany and the millions who helped and didn't die
Post the non poofter version dottard
It would be hard to suggest that Germany could have undergone full invasion of Britain. At the same time, there's no way Britain could have invaded main land Europe without US help (with the US they managed out of sheer luck if you know the story). Sure, if Germany kept bombing going for years whole slowly building up after taking France, Russia, and the rest of Europe, but that in itself is a huge stretch.
thats not really cool danebro
Britain unironically did more in WW2 than America, and we still only contributed the 3rd most out of the Allies (behind the Soviets and China, just because of the sheer amount they bled)
only country in it from day 1 and not overrun
major participant in every theatre, like America but under more strenuous circumstances
And all for what? A dead and decaying country.
I cry about those brave forgotten boys who died for nothing.
Japan was tiny where it counted, though. I'm talking of course about technology, lad.
The Ruskies did the heavy lifting against the Germans. I wouldn't discount the effect of the lend lease act to help the Brits and Ruskies get their military industrial complex going. And it was the Normandy invasion that turned the war into a war on two fronts and effectively made the war unwinnable for the Germans. Still the Ruskies inflicted about 80% of the German casualties and in the process took much higher losses than the United States or England did.
We also took out the Japanese with a little assistance from the Aussies, Kiwis, Chinks and native islanders, which was not a trivial accomplishment.
In all honesty, the war in Europe would have ended without the USA. It would have taken a few years longer and ended with a lot more Russian domination of Europe. UK, France would get stronger. Everyone else would have been shit out of luck.
The USA definitely helped ensure a quicker victory.
The Pacific front was basically just America's war anyway, nobody other than the Japs and America gave a fuck. Maybe China.
War is actually just for keeping up morale, the most important decisions are made somewhat more in the background, T.B.H.
Fortunately for everyone alive today, we will get to see how WW3 plays out without our involvement.
Cant wait. Comfy as fuck over here famalam.
Why were Germans so dumb to take on 500 raptors and 2 t-rexes?
Except no. Germany's Western Front had priority over the Eastern Front for a total of ten days form 1941 to 1945, namely June 10 to June 20, 1944. The Russian Front had priority for men, equipment, material, and supplies for more than 1,000 days and the French front for ten.
Side note, the Balkan/Yugoslav front is actually fascinating and not really studied as much as it should be. They mostly liberated themselves with a bit of help from the Ruskies, but not enough help that they were ever in debt to them. They did benefit from Germany having to scale back near the end but then again everyone else benefited from them distracting Hitler for a few months at the beginning.
Most people I've met think we intervened in WWII because of the Holocaust.
The USSR took on a whole front against the Nazis (with some American help of course) and arguably won the war in Asia, Japan could still go on with the nukes dropped, they didn't stop when 75% of the country was razed to the ground, only when the Commies took Japanese controlled Manchuria and what's today North Korea, where most of the Japanese raw material and weapon manufacturing happened was when Japan had no choice but to surrender.
That's a fantastic webm, thanks
Ruskies did most of the job by simply distracting the Nazis in the east giving US time to pile in at the end to retake Italy and France to eventually pile into Germany.
So I'd say equally Russia and US did major parts in the war. Japan was Axis power and needed to be stopped as well and if it wasn't for the US dropping nukes fucking Nips would have gone on forever.
Except the historical record doesn't back that up at all; according to Glantz, in 1942 the Wehrmacht had about 2.4 Million personnel within occupied Soviet territory. Total force size at the time was around 11 Million, so that means that even at the height of the Eastern Front, the overwhelming majority of the Wehrmacht was elsewhere. You can also check for yourself how the Panzer Divisions were being deployed from 1943 and 1944 on too; in November of 1943, Hitler directly declared the Western Front held priority.
Glad you enjoyed it, I've always thought it was pretty interesting. Particularly how quickly things go to shit for the allies during the blitzkreig and how quickly things fall apart for the Germans at the end of the war.
Fucking Switzerland. Every time.
what's the sauce on the webm?
It's not ignorance but programming -- people are made to believe this and then it's used to justify every American military intervention everywhere.
I'm afraid I don't know. I got it from /k/
The Soviet offensive into Manchuria had collapsed by the time of the Japanese surrender; 6th Guards Tank Army had ran out of fuel and it wasn't until the 21st of August that scouting elements were even able to reach their targets. The Kwantung Army was still intact and savagely fighting throughout the region, and was preparing plans to stage a fighting withdrawal into Korea in order to utilize the existing fortifications there.
The claim of the value of North Korea falls completely flat when one reviews the fact that Japan is an island far away from it, and that the U.S. Navy had completely cut off shipping by the time of the surrender. The U.S. Army Air Force, meanwhile, was in the process of collapsing their internal transportation network and it was predicted by both sides that collapse of the food supply was imminent, which would mean mass starvation that Winter.
Finally, Japan had already begun seeking terms for months prior to the Soviet attack. Initial communication difficulties explain the delay in the surrender following the Atomic bombings, but once it become clear what had happened, surrender quickly followed; there's a reason Hirohito directly mentioned it in his address to the nation.
By that token the Germans only finally surrendered when the Americans arrived, many hauled ass to go west to surrender to us yanks instead of face Soviet repercussions.
Had the American front not been there they’d probably fought until every last inch of German land was taken by force.
I'm reading Cryptonomicon, it takes place mostly around Manila, got me interested in the Asiatic half of the war. No shit last night my dad came over and we found out what a certain badge was that his dad had brought home from the war. He's got a bullet they pulled from his dad's leg hanging off one of these medals, we're thinking he killed the guy who shot him lol.
shitload worse for all of Europe.
It can't be worse than their current condition
No Muslim or African Refugees
Possible imigration to US instead of beaners, nigs, poos, and Muslims.
Some retard on youtube that makes inaccurate charts on paint
dont give up yet faggot
Neat, my grandfather and his father were both on the western front. He was an artillery air observer and his father was a General both in the 3rd army.
I inherited their medals, their sidearms and a bunch of Nazi war trophies.
I was taught that. For a long time i thought America went to war with germany over the holocaust. We also barely learned about wwi or how germany became nazi germany. I used to have a really weird view of nazis, like they were juat inherently evil people who were born evil and wanted nothing but dead jews. It wasnt until i was older that i started to realize they were just normal people.
checked and keked!
making japan a small raptor
bring proud of throwing millions to the slaughter
cant spell check
Russia did most of the heavy lifting during WW2.
we did infinitely more than you
You didn’t do fucking shit kid
Honestly I fault Glantz among others for helping to propagate the Pro-RKKA narratives that are so common even here.
"I'm going to blame you with everything bad your country has ever done but give you no credit for everything good it has done"
you're what we call a "nigger"
It doesn't accuratley reflect the number if Russians killed they got fucked up.
No, he's right.
Just suck it up and stop being a chimp.
You never claimed a single island or inch of territory from the nips because you were too busy sitting around with your thumb up your asses. If it hadn't been for Guadalcanal, you'd have the nips breathing down Sydney's neck.
Yeah, the school system definitely present the Nazis to be comic book villains to the point that it becomes almost impossible to understand how anyone could have followed such an ideology.
I'm not a fan of socialism of any kind; but failing to explain why the German's followed Hitler, why they were anti semetic and why they were so fearful of communism makes the war into a nonsensical battle between good and evil.
This is true.
much appreciated, thanks mate.
Lol the absolute state of modern American men
You fragile frail petunias are why the USA can’t win wars.
Why don’t you both just settle down and drink a shot glass of wheatgrass juice each
Americans should have stayed out of the European side. Focused on the Japs, then go to Europe. As soon as Germany surrenders wee should have left Europe. The Soviets would have taken over, but that wouldn't have been our problem.
Instead we foolishly helped ungrateful bastards for nothing in return.
aussies btfo by Turks and the Japs sooooo
These pictures actually go in order. The nazis were killing a shit load of russians and then america and britain came in and stabbed germany in the back. It was kind of like the end scene of scarface. Tony was nazi germany. All the people pouring into the house were the russians. Just getting mowed down like nothing. And then that sneaky bastard america snuck up behind nazi germany and shot him in the back.
What does rice farmer and goat herder penis taste like?
I’m guessing from your attitude, salty
You sound and act like a trashy bogan degenerate with no knowledge of history.
I'm sure your grandfather was some kind of illiterate rapist who got sent to that wretched desert you call a country for the sake of preserving British dignity.
Except for the part where Hitler war on us for getting bombed by Japs for not trading with them till they signed a treaty promising not to attack us.
So Japan was the sneak and Germany was the asshole.
Still though, I agree with you. We shouldn't have gotten involved. We need to go back to our isolationist policies.
This is the type of hypersensitivity that losing wars thrives on.
Good to see you’re consistent
After pondering over your points and doing some more in depth research, I agree to the points you laid out, but I would like to see the sources for your first and second points.
this picture is a misrepresentation of what happened. No real historian argues that the russians had more deaths, caused more resources from the germans, and was directly invaded. This picture depicts that the russians put like 8x as many resources and men towards fighting the russians than the U.S. did, which is false. They put roughly double the men, and that's disputed. Americans had 16.1 million citizens serve. Russians have a disputed 34 million, which is a little more than double. This picture shows more accurately the amount of russians that died vs americans.
The Germans never had 11,000,000 men in uniform at the same time. You are citing figures that include Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, etc.
gets war declared on them
"America shouldn't have gotten involved!!!!"
Eh, should have kept trading with the japs, make money, war lasts longer, we get to jew both sides more, claim neutrality.
Our roll prior to D-day was mostly selling rifles and tanks to the Chinese, Ironically Germany did this too before joining Japan in the Axis but they only sold pistols.
Russian cannon fodder did indeed do most of the work in defeating the Reich by raping and pillaging the Baltic states and ethnically cleansing Ukrainians before ultimately storming the Germany's capital, typical Russian tactics but it works.
yeah but not trading with the japs doesn't mean we knew it was going to propel is into war via a sneak attack by the japs.
US did barely anything against the Germans. However we single-handedly beat the Japs, and supplied the Soviets with enough trucks to keep their logistical machine functioning.
what did you check?
America didn't want to get involved, Roosevelt did.
I love that! It's like a portmanteau of "Americans" and "mutts", isn't it? Bravo!
Highest K/D ratio country reporting in
If your teacher meant the holohoax then yeah bluepilled. But if they meant funding for allies, then you should find your teacher and have a beer with them
Read a history book
You're not from Finland.
Do any of these threads take into account the numerous American volunteers that fought under the various other armies long before the US officially got involved?
Based Finland is winland.
Which specifically? The Manchurian Operation, which is what I assume you are referring to, has received a modern dissection here thanks to access to new Soviet materials:
No, the Wehrmacht at it's peak (1944) had about 12 Million in uniform:
It’s a shame your grandfathers side lost the war. Don’t worry user the Reich will come soon enough
Only because we continued trading despite a war. We should have stopped trading with Germany, Russia, England, Japan, and all others involved once war broke out as was originally intended.
At the very least we should have left Europe after the war was over. The Soviets would have treated those ungrateful assholes how they deserve to be treated. Europeans are naturally subservient, us making them democratic and protecting them from the Soviets proved destructive.
The fall of a utopia...
We actually pulled off creating a western front, which is one of the most impressive military accomplishments in history. Everyone loves to say that "oh, but the Americans didn't gun down nearly as many Germans as the Russians, they did nothing!" While it's true the Russians did do more to defeat Germany than the western Allie's, the sheer challenge of pulling of a naval invasion is ridiculous. Not only do you have to land, but you have to supply an advance into the heart of Europe when all your equipment has to come from overseas. The Soviet Union at least had factories on the soil they were defending, which makes logistics much easier. Plus the US took down Japan while island hopping, which is one of the hardest forms of warfare.
You don't seem to be very familiar with WWII sidearms.
That's a US Army issue Colt M1911 (my grandfather's sidearm in WWII and Korea), a US Army issue Colt M1909 revolver (my great grandfather's sidearm in WWI), and a Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless that my Great Grandfather carried as his officer's pistol during WWII.
Either that or you're making a backhanded comment about how the Jews and the commies won the war and everyone else got screwed in the long run.
With so few participants you tend to get divide-by-zero errors.
Just kidding you canadadians kicked ass in ww2.
What happened after that?
Lmao it was a joke user “Nazi trophies” sounds like he was a Nazi
They were replaced by big government loving leftist immigrants starting in the early 1990s.
I feel the need to state once again that the Western Powers, predominantly the United States, inflicted essentially equal casualties as the Soviets did once captured and wounded are factored in. The claim the Soviets did more is based solely on the KIA counts, which did indeed favor them, but doesn't tell the whole picture.
I don't bust out the war trophy collection often for that very reason.
Too bad he didn't kill Japs, you can show their war trophies off without anyone accusing you of wanting to conquer America in the name of the Emperor.
fighting over who was the biggest goy of the war
Yep sounds like Tiger star
Was ww2 really like this Sup Forums Did the amerimuts really do so little?
With what we are taught in school that is accurate the eastern front is rarely talked talked about.
In a majority of US schools kids are taught about the holocaust and Dday maybe Stalingrad but nothing else
The Russians played the larger part in the ground war but had the US not gotten involved a few things would have happened.
England would have been nearly destroyed or made strategically irrelevant with lack of logistical support
The war on the eastern front would have lasted longer and the Germans would have made more advances without the supplies shipped to them
North African campaign would have been more successful for the axis with the combined onslaught on logistics by German U boats in the north Atlantic and Mediterranean
All the US did to help Europe was a constant supply of munitions. Had the Germans and Italians not had to fight a three fronted war the Russians would have suffered.
TL;DR we didn't win it but things would have turned out vastly different
or you're making a backhanded comment about how the Jews and the commies won the war and everyone else got screwed in the long run.
I mean, is he wrong?
wanting to conquer America in the name of the Emperor.
I pick both. You can go back, now.
Wow so many cucksauruses here
United States fought a war with Japan, Germany fought a war with the soviets.
Well, you know we wouldn't care too much if did want to take over the US in the name of the führer.
Russia was just a bootomless abys that Germany fell into
It was the USA that blew them out of France and Italy, Ruskies only gave the final punch when then they where low
The Holocaust was the (((medias))) pitch to go to war
the political reason was for revenge against Japan
The real reason was for Oil.
This movie parodying Adolf Hitler came out before the holocaust even happened, and it basically foreshadowed the Holocaust
Considering how hard Jews and our government lies? Eh... it's pretty clear that the Nazi hate is 95% propaganda so people had an easier time killing them during the war.
do so little
In relevance to European opinion? yeah probably
In reality dismantling the Japanese Empire is doing a lot of "something" but not really relevant to a Swede and since Europeans believe the whole world revolves around them, they believe nothing happened at all.
I'M NOT SENSITIVE YOU'RE SENSITIVE!
you swedes didn't do shit even when Finland was getting attacked by communists.
Then you successfully copied natsoc only to be cucked by shitskins who are devastating your once homogeneous society. Serves you right.
but all of the online posters from the losing side are butthurt towards us over WWII
They're butthurt because yanks just cram the conversation with "HURR YEAH WE WON ERRYTHANG W/O YUROPS HELP" every fucking time, you cunts are too indoctrinated into believing your shit doesn't stink. I'm not stupid enough to say America didn't have a major contribution to WW2, but fuck off with the "won it ourselves" shit.
Gonna post this here too since it still is sort of relevant and I'd like the imput of non-american anons.
One thing that has me curious is the topic of the history of American relations with Europe in the period following ww2. In modern times much of Europe appears to have a rather dim view of America and Americans and when I discuss such matters with them they tend to speak vaguely of our actions directly after the second world war.
Now I understand that relations between Europe and america was not perfect and there was a threat of the break up of the alliance many times during the cold war. I'm aware that there were times when we sided with third parties against the European powers and acted against a return to their former Imperial power. On the other hand we sent many volunteers and equipment to hep them hold their empire together, sent troops to ensure that any conflict between these states and the USSR would ensure American involvement, and we assisted in the rebuilding of Europe.
When I discuss this with Europeans, I'm given the impression we essentially just profiteered off them. Especially when I talk with French nationals. My understanding is that France had always been antagonistic with America after both world wars but I don't know the causes beyond our disagreements with how to deal with the USSR.
How much of mutual antagonism between Europe and the US is due to this history, and how much of it is due to revisionism due to the actions of modern America?
Why do Aussies always seem like they have little man syndrome? Its cute but gets obnoxious quick. Its ok Aussie we know yoy "helped"
Why do Aussies always seem like they have little man syndrome?
Because Canada replaced them as top shitposters.
We own /bant/, Sup Forums and all of Sup Forums. There is nothing the pathetic a*ssie can do about it.
I think it's safe to say Britain performed the worst during WW2.
do fuck all for weeks
sent packing with our tails between our legs at Dunkirk and delude ourselves into thinking it was a major success
completely at the mercy of American aid
in exchange for help we give them land and every last bit of cash we had
barely hold off against the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain
fail to defend Norway
invade neutral Iceland
have to give it up to the Americans
force colonial men to do a disproportionately high level of fighting
get annihilated by half starved Japs in the Pacific half our number
make Australians and Indians do all our fighting over there
cause famine in India, killing millions
junior partner to Americans in North Africa, Sicily, Italy...
in fact we perform so poorly there that in many cases they have to pick up our slack
do less than CANADA on D-Day
Canadians liberate the entire country of the Netherlands and are celebrated there to this day
we did nothing of note independently and are reviled by places we """"helped""""
commit war crimes on German civilians
And all so that Mohammad could have free reign over British girls :)
jews and muslims will coexist quite well once European culture is destroyed. When you study their religions they are quite similar. Lebanon and Syrian needs to be destroyed first of course.
This is straight nonsense. Of course they won’t get along, they never have. The Hebrews will continue to try to rule over the muslims. However, the unified white race is the biggest threat to the kikes, but sadly has also been their (((greatest ally)))
If the white race actually falls, can the Jews hold their own against the islamic world?
if it wasn't for judo-russians the axis would have won
No, they don't think far ahead into the future. That's what the European nobility does, and it is based on religious views.
Yeah it's not like the Lend/Lease program enabled England and Russia to keep fighting. No, sure, the battle of Stalingrad would totally have worked out the same way with no conflicts in the west to divide German forces and without the literally thousands of tanks Russia was getting from us a year before the battle happened. And they WEREN'T actually getting over 50% of their ammunition from us, no that wasn't a thing at all.
America saved the world, retard. Deal with it.
the jews don't need "whites".You obviously don't study history
dont forget churchill planned an invasion of norway also, but leaked the plans. germany invaded norway for it was afraid of it falling into the hands of the british. this debacle was the the reason for chamberlains resignation, and subsequently promotion of the very admiral who was responsible for the debacle in the first place.
i hesitate to view things in black and white, but i find very little redeeming about churchill and his character. i hope he rots in hell :)
So, they don't teach British kids about the Lend/Lease program at all, do they?
die in the millions in a war on your own soil
"we're helping guise, just pls make that second front already!"
Ivan was useful in keeping the krauts busy, but they played no bigger part that we did.
Didn't the British also sink a French fleet?
Given the British I've met, I wonder if they're taught history at all. They hadn't even heard of the war of the roses.
Uh, no. The original has a rough tree trunk for the flagpole. The re-take has a nice, smooth flagpole.
Britain helped us invade continental Europe, and they did manage to win Battle of Britain. Everything else was basically US and USSR doing the work.
Absent the Americans, you'd probably be making that post in German.
Germany could knock Britain out of the war, but not conquer it.
Germany wanted to conquer the Sovs and turned East after cucking the snaggletooths. If they'd turned that warmachine on them, they were toast.
We gave the Russians like half their ammunition and half their food.
i thought it was funny
American schools never mention the Soviet contribution except talking about how well they repelled the Nazis during winter and how many Soviets were killed