The 2nd amendment was written 230 years ago. Why shouldn't our gun law be updated?
The 2nd amendment was written 230 years ago. Why shouldn't our gun law be updated?
Jose Moore
Anthony Parker
Because the government won't update theirs.
Lucas Wright
Women got the right to vote a hundred years ago. Why should our female voting laws be updated?
William Diaz
It should be updated.. to clarify that there are zero limits on private ownership of any weapon.
James Watson
because it was a mistake?
Michael Perry
Ethan Morris
>loaded it one shot at a time with black power
Fucking liberals, people did not have their slaves load their guns for them. Wouldn't want them to get any ideas.
Jaxson Wright
>let's change laws because "why not?"
That's not the way it works bucko, you need to come up with reasons for why the laws SHOULD BE updated.
I'll wait.....
Juan Edwards
Julian Jackson
This
William Harris
The credible threat of force by the citizenry against the government they eleced as a final check and balance to ensure the other rights outlined in the bill of rights is hardly an outdated notion.
You're looking at the subject as "guns are different now than they were then", rather than "is the need for the ability to protect ones self determination, as an individual and society, different now than then?"
Cameron Bell
the bill of rights aren't laws, they are natural rights of human beings as citizens of this country no matter who is in power ay any particular time. If you want to update them, ratify the Constitution
John Ross
the people who wrote the U.S. Constitution did not use the word 'firearms'. The word used was 'arms' and meant weapons of all kinds, including hand grenades.
Carson Bell
Fucking moron.
Henry Ramirez
Nicholas Ross
It's updated, there are plenty of regulations. Magazine caps didn't stop Sandy Hook nor San Bernardino.
>specifically for war
The founding fathers wanted this. And all rifles can be used for war.
Isaiah Roberts
Kevin Hill
This. However, oddly and Interestingly, then and now, the difference between arms and ordnance is legally recognized.
Nathan Rogers
Actually the U.S. Bill of Rights refers to all Human Beings, not just Americans.
Cooper Sanders
>Implying the musket isn't designed specifically for war and to kill people too
Zachary Moore
>1 post by this ID
>Memeflag
>Weak bait
Neck yourself, faggot
You know what to do, gents
Juan Watson
in b4 every single fucking post that gets posted to this bait every fucking time like 2,874,618,264,214,612,307,751,264,016 times
Chase Peterson
Jordan Hughes
No because you can literally build a slingshot with more power than AR-15,
Not going to be as accurate, but will still kill you.
Watch Joerg Sprave on YouTube youtube.com
Juan Butler
yes, i see a difference. the one on top can be legally owned by a US citizen. the one on the bottom cannot.
ordinary citizens cannot own an assault rifle.
stop being a shit head and stop trying to spread lies.
Tyler Hall
the 2nd ammendment was written primarily in regards to self defense from the kind of tyranical government they had just rebelled against. which would imply that citizens keep up in terms of weapons technology to the point where they can supply an effective resistance to tyranny.
David Williams
Missed it by that much
Evan Anderson
>"keep and bear arms"
>"arms"
>arms are weapons; armaments
>not specifically "muskets"
would it be possible the guys who wrote the second amendment knew weapons evolved?
Jacob Sullivan
Doubtful, especially the part about legal difference in these two words in the past.
Daniel Williams
Stealing
Christopher Wood
Because the point is to keep the government from becoming tyrannical.
>inb4 the government could take any LARPing rebels
Tell that to the years of unsuccessful attempts to kill a bunch of sandniggers with AK47s and SUVs
Gavin Lopez
The 1st amendment was written 230 years ago. Why shouldn't our free speech be updated?
Jaxson Harris
The purpose of guns hasn't changed at all.
Kevin Howard
Back when the second amendment was written, citizens were able to own basically any armaments the military could get their hands on.
So, pretty much should have zero laws against any type of weapon ownership.
John Martinez
"Arms' also referred to heraldry to the people who wrote the Constitution. So it could include your right to bear a 'coat-of-arms'.
Christian Price
there almost isnt even a point anymore to try to educate retards that there were a bunch of repeating style multi shot what the fuck ever types of weapons before the constitution even fucking existed.
Brayden Nguyen
Feel free to call a Constitutional Convention of States. You won't like the results, lol.
Nathan Martin
Saying people can't own autoloading rifles because the 2nd amendment was written while people had muskets isn't fair. Technology didn't advance just for murderers, it advanced for everyone. What I'm trying to say is everyone is on the same level as were the American's and their enemies in the 1700s.
Carson Wood
Most of the Founding Fathers owned crank fed automatic weapons decades before the 2nd amendment was ratified. Claiming they couldn't foresee advances in weapons technology is retarded at best or intentionally disingenuous at worst.
Jayden Powell
1st Amendment was written pre-Internet. Pls update
Ian Smith
hey OP faggotry wasn't legal when the second amendment was written but you still ram your ass with that giant dildo...
William Reyes
3rd Amendment: you can't come into my house and fuck my wife and daughter
4th Amendment: you can't go rooting through my private shit
2nd Amendment: and I've got a gun that says you can't, slimy Redcoat
Colton Walker
>Why shouldn't our gun law be updated?
Why don't you update a rope around your neck?
Connor Richardson
It takes 5 seconds for someone with critical thinking skills to debunk this nonsense. All you've done is demonstrated a lack of basic intelligence. Please for the love of humanity and whatever deity you may or may not worship. Hang yourself, because Humanity would be better off without your defective genes!
Christian Martin
Anybody here see a similar difference?
Get fucked, shitlord
Kevin Adams
If the second amendment only applies to muskets and flintlocks then:
The first amendment doesn't apply to Facebook or Twitter or text messages or Magazines or blogs or telephones, etc etc.
The fourth amendment doesn't protect you against your car or purse or backpack or phone or computer from being searched or seized.
Although these days leftists don't even believe in free speech so this argument probably falls on deaf ears.
Nolan Ortiz
The 2A isn't just about guns.
Ryder Perry
No; they were ignorant men... They did not know that mankind, before the invention of the musket, had previously fought with crude and unwieldy cannons... crossbows and steel blades before that... And bronze blades before that... And copper and flint blades before that... And slings and sticks before that. They never correlated weapons becoming more advanced with time civilization has existed... Obviously the 2nd was made so that there was a chicken in every pot... Or something...
Look it doesn't matter the government has our best interest in mind ok nevermind they fumbled the whole mental health/threat aspect of Nicolas Cruz or constantly lead us into expensive unwinnable wars... Jut trust them you conspiritard.
Jose Nguyen
They have been updated, but OP either doesn’t know this because he’s retarded or is posting weak bait. In conclusion, OP is a faggot, sage.
Jeremiah Myers
A militia with stone age weapons isn't muhc of a militia, is it?
Jace Campbell
No. It does not. The US Constitution is the law of the land in the USA only. No foreigner living on foreign soils has any rights under the US Constitution. No right to entry. No enforceable protections while in their native territory.
The Declaration of Independence does speak of inalienable and God-given rights that exist for "all men" (everywhere in the world), but this is a statement of principle, not a guarantee of enforcement or protection, nor does it create an obligation that the US Government or Citizenry must fulfill, in any way shape or form, outside the borders of the US.
Benjamin Rodriguez
The idea was that the people and the govt would be equal in weaponry. You coild argue that the purpose of the amendment has been broken with the tank ban, mcnuke ban, and automatic weapon ban
Jonathan Lee
Yes, the difference is that when Americans had the top, they actually had the balls to fight for freedom. Now they have the second but do nothing.
Daniel Williams
Brandon Morris
Exactly. So we should be allowed to own armed Apache helicopters, missile launching jets, and such.
Chase Rodriguez
The 1st amendment was written 230 years ago. Why shouldn't our freedom of speech and religion laws be updated?
Replace it with any amendment and its still something a liberal would say (except the 3rd)
Asher Wood
Because war never ends.
Brandon Perez
This.
Too many people incorrectly think otherwise.
Gavin Young
There are no such thing as natural rights
Luis Cooper
Only when you let people take them away.
Michael Cooper
if you have the money, nigger
Owen Evans
You don't have a right to health care. FUck off nigger.
Christian Watson
Levi Collins
Sauce on pic?
Andrew Myers
>Musket vs Musket
>AR vs. AR,Drones, Rockets´n shiieeett
Your problems.
t.hasguns
Oliver Harris
You almost got it right. The U.S. Government, as a constitutional democratic republic, is how a small subset of Human Beings, known as Americans, enforce and protect our rights as Human Beings. This enforcement effort did not and does not create these rights, it recognizes them. While it does not create the obligation to protect the rights of nob-Americans, it does not deny them to those Human Beings.
Brandon Cook
>loaded with black power
HOL UP SO WHAT U BE SAYIN IS
Jaxon Long
en.wikipedia.org
69 years before the 2nd amendment was written.
Jonathan Gomez
Sure. The difference now the common citizens could own the exact Firearms used by the Continental Army. Now you have to settle for a neutered rifle without a select fire or full auto setting the Army has.
Alexander Lewis
You don't have the right caliber of people not to have it.
If you did have the right caliber of people you would not even be having a discussion about it.
Kayden Adams
Which gun do you think the Founders Fathers would rather have back then you faggot ?
Do you think the FF thought the evolution of weapons would stop in 1776 ?
Do you think the FF understood that without the 2nd amendment the rest would fall ?
Austin Carter
>designed for war to kill people
no fucking shit what do you think the musket was designed for? its good looks? also who gives a shit all the mass shooters are fatherless and or jewish ban single mothers before guns
Jaxon Edwards
Why shouldn't our free speech laws be updated? I'm all for freedom of speech, but... Ban high capacity free speech devices now! The 1st amendment was never meant to apply to typewriters, radios, tvs, or internet! These weapons of mass communication make it too easy for free speech nuts to spread their hate! We need common sense free speech reform!
Carter Allen
>1 post by ID
Everytime. I'd say the 2nd ammendment is timeless.
>British Empire - muskets and cannons
>Revolutionary Army - muskets and cannons.
Compared to:
>Modern Military - select fire (semi/burst/auto) small arms, anti-vehicle weapons, artillery, tanks, jets, missiles etc
>General Public - semi automatic handguns and rifles only, special licensing needed for automatic and heavier weapons.
So your point is really just a extremely subversive misrepresentation and manipulation of reality. You literally want a disarmed populace so they cannot fight back against a tyrannical government. The 2nd ammendment guarantees the 1st ammendment. Also sage in all fields
Josiah Morgan
A government should fear the people, the people shouldn't fear the government. How you might ask? A well armed citizenry.
Isaiah Gray
My family looks at me like I'm crazy when I say I should reasonably have the right to purchase and keep a fully functioning tank if I have the money to purchase one from an agreeable seller.
God damn do I want a tank.
Robert Wood
Because it says right damn there SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. That’s what it says that’s what it means.
Brandon Gonzalez
OK Tinkerbell lets answer this by going over what the WORDS mean. Keep in mind that the founders were not idiots, and were forward thinking realists:
"Well regulated" means simply "Functioning correctly, well functioning, doing the job it is supposed to do".
Militia is defined by Federal Law as also being all healthy males 16-60 able to preform militia service.
Security in this case means well protected.
Free State is a state (nation state) that puts the LIBERTY of it's citizens as it's primary purpose.
As an aside: Liberty is one of the three primary natural rights:
1. The right to life: you have the right to stay alive and keep your mind, and person from harm.
2. The right to Liberty: which means in all things you have the right to go about your business, unmolested, as long as it doesn't interfere with another's right to life.
3. The right to property: you have the right to own and keep the fruit of your labor, including land and personal possessions.
SO: a militia is necessary to maintain those rights in a "free state".
"The people" in the constitution and bill of rights means free people as individuals. Not the collective "people".
Right, as in the right to own property, have liberty, and protect your life:
Keep and bear means Own and Carry, literally.
Arms are ANY arms that a Militia, military, or police force could use to do those jobs.
Finally, "Shall not be infringed" means literally:
Shall not be regulated, removed, or interfered with by anyone for any reason.
It was the founders intent to make sure the people, as individuals, were armed and trained in their use with the same weapons on par with the military of any country including theirs.
As "We the People" as individuals are the government, the military, the police, and the citizens.
Not just a few guys in uniform.
Noah Allen
There is no “update” to the second amendment as it was part of the many put in place to protect everyone, not just the individual, from tryany like they faced back then. Although you may argue that the constitution is ever changing, that’s simply not the thing. Basically we need guns and other rights to secure the freedom of the people u hipster fuck
Adam Adams
Fuck off.
Back then cunts had cannons.
Julian Hall
fuck off lefty shill
Austin Foster
Guns back then were single shot, but there were only 2.5 million people in the country. Today guns have 30+ rounds, and there are 320+ million people in the country... essentially we need more bullets because there are more people. Simple.
Nicholas Powell
Abortion isn't a constitutional right.
Nathan Thompson
Holy shit it takes a lot of butthurt to draw that shit lol
David Gomez
FUCK OFF SHILL
Jeremiah Rivera
Because George Washington was a God amongst men and always knew what the fuck he was doing.
Asher Wood
The musket wasn't the only type of military armament they allowed, the second amendment at its time of conception also covered things like cannons and The Puckle gun.
Landon Brooks
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Aaron James
But we want to shut you down you nazi.
Connor Bailey
Lincoln Gray
Most definitely
Kevin Davis
op
Chase Gonzalez
We probably have more of a proper caliber than we did then, numbers wise, even considering the proliferation of weak men
Jayden Cook
Exactly. It should specify civilian rights to own anti tank and anti air capabilities as well.
Colton Evans
Currently:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
My suggested update:
"A well armed right wing Militia, being necessary to the security of a State free of degeneracy, the right of the people to keep and bear all kinds of Arms, shall not be infringed.
And that includes semi and fully automatic weapons, and any future developments like lasers and blasters, and phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range."
It's a living document!
Jordan Gray
You know who else had Colonial Era muskets? The Government of the United States, Indians and all major European powers. The same entities that the militia would be expected to fight.
American gun laws should be updated so the militia is capable of taking on tribes, major world powers and the United States government itself.
Benjamin Torres
>Why shouldn't our gun law be updated?
Because it shall not be infringed.
Ayden Watson
I want my own drones and tactical nukes doggonnit!
Chase Gomez
Are Americans incapable of reading a thread before posting?
Landon Perez
this. fpbp