How would you realistically fix the population problem in Europe without immigration?
>just give more incentives bro!!
Germany has a ton of incentives for people to have children, you get lots of monetary bonusses and other privileges, yet that did not help.
>uhm... just let the population decrease then!! that won't be a problem!!!
Uhm, nope. Germany has 50 million people that will retire in the next decade who all want their retirement payments.
We need more young people not just to pay for them, but also to take care of them. And the time for just "durr raise more children" is over. Our situation is desperate.
>whatever!!! fuck it!!! let only the best ones in and fuck th erest!!! Europe is stronk without immigration!!!!!
Nope, absolutely not. Europe needs a ton of immigrants to fix the looming problem of our population. Too many people are about to retire and there aren't enough young people to pay for their pensions.
>Nope, absolutely not. Europe needs a ton of immigrants to fix the looming problem of our population.
what are you talking you greedy germ, we have like 20% unemployment rate , more immigrants? fuck off
Jordan Wilson
What "population problem"? We are standing on the verge of a robot driven 2nd industrial revolution. There is talk of a "universal basic income" because we'll produce more goods and need far fewer workers. You bought into some fucked up meme that what Europe needs is a bunch of unskilled, lazy labor who came for the gibs; who want to kill you, rape your women, and make you dhimmis as a solution. That's full retard, German bro. Are you, perchance, a Mudslime?
>Uhm, nope. Germany has 50 million people that will retire in the next decade who all want their retirement payments.
So what?If you keep up like this they will be 100 milion. The elderly should be taken care by their own children and grand-children.Not the goverment.
Caleb Wood
Gotta pick your poison with the globalism meme. The doctor and engineer meme is real, but only for Indians and Chinese.
Juan Green
There IS no population problem. >hurr we have less people, guess crime goes down >hurr not enough people are buying land, guess we'll lower the price >hurr there aren't enough people in debt Who the fuck thinks these are problems?
Landon Perry
Whatever happened to "we need UBI because there won't be enough jobs for everyone." Retard.
John Clark
>Germany has a ton of incentives for people to have children.
Not true your government basically robbed families for years now with always the same excuse that there is no money and thats why they need half of your shit every month. The same excuse they also used to implement harz4. Which is all fine i guess if it weren't for a small detail like the following "refugee crisis" when it suddenly turned out there are 100millions of money available...just not for the own citizens but sure as fuck for the import... cant give them the monetarily value of harz4 that would be against their human rights, right you stupidiotic german tax payer?
From all your all day everyday rhyme of work, drink, sleep you dont even notice how you are systematically fucked over and all the money you worked for over the past decades including several years of pensions get shoved up peoples asshole that never paid a cent into it, hate you, hate your culture, hate your language, hate your religion and hate your political system.
Jackson Watson
There's nothing wrong with population shrinkage provided you don't have an open border. Europe already has a housing crisis and can barely produce enough energy to sustain the needs of its popualtion.
Elijah Hall
We don't need more children - we need to stop Africans, Indians, Arabs, Chinese etc to stop having so many children!
Christian Ortiz
this
Aiden Taylor
>population problem
to whom is a declining population a problem? oh that's right, to the jewish corporatocracy that needs competition in the labour market in order to drive down wages.
solving the jewish problem solves every other problem in the world. and there was one particular man in modern history that understood that.
Anthony Cox
We all understand it on some level. They've rigged the game so there is no way to succeed, however.
When your country has nothing left but oldfags, you’ll be invaded anyway. Then what, you’ll toss your pills at the invaders? Hit them with your walking stick? Run them over with your wheelchair?
James Scott
Having a culture that doesn't make being a soyboy seem like an option. When you figure that out let us know.
Aiden Nguyen
Automation and instilling an actual feeling of patriotism again.
Luke White
The only cure for europe is other continents disease. War, only war fixes us. Don't worry Jerry, we will have a war in some weeks in the
Josiah Peterson
There is no population problem. The problem is that Euro economies are Ponzi schemes. The immigrants are being brought in to puff up meaningless numbers and expand the debt burden, not be productive. There is no endgame for this, it'll just collapse eventually like Ponzi schemes inevitably do
Robert Ward
Maybe there are enough people already. >but muh growth D: This dependence on constant population growth is an exit scam waiting to happen. Just crash it now and find something better before you become an African shithole.
Liam Sullivan
If the next generation needs to support 50 million people, how is importing Somalis, Poles and Russians, who cannot contribute to a high-tech economy going to help?
Due to immigraion we now have too many people on the welfare rolls that we will not be able to support. Immigration is the problem. Deportation is the solution.
Cameron Green
old people to camps
Ryder Smith
Austria's current government seems to be fixing that problem really well desu.
Tyler Gonzalez
So quite literally you boomer cunts would rather defile and destroy europe and plunge it into decades of ethnic civil war and bloodletting rather than take a small cut to your standard of living
>The immigrants are being brought in to puff up meaningless numbers and expand the debt burden, not be productive. Pretty much. There's no way they can be paying elder pensions when they're such a drain on state services. They're importing consumers and potential debtors so that we can keep having Growth. Of course actual growth happens from technological improvements and more productivity, but don't tell governments that.
Adrian Ortiz
Dann erkläre es mir bitte Hans, jeder zweite Ostdeutsche der in unser Rentensystem einbezahlt hat. Erhält zuwenig Rente und muss mit Sozialleistungen aufstocken, der Mauerfall war 89 wobei ein Großteil der Bevölkerung die jetzt ins Rentenalter eintritt 30-35 Jahre alt war.
Das heißt sie haben im Schnitt 30 jahre in Rentensystem einbezahlt und benötigen Unterstützung vom Staat. Wie möchtest du das mit Einwanderung, die im Schnitt auch 30-35 Jahre alt sind und erst nach 7-10 Jahren voll Erwebsfähigkeit sind. Damit erst in 5-6 Jahren in unser Steuersystem anfangen einzubezahlen und die gleichen Rentenansprüche wie jeder Deutsche erwerben.
Wie sollen das unser Rentensystem schaffen ? Wie schnell soll neben der sprachlichen Barriere, die Berufliche Eingliederung stattfinden ? Wie willst du die Ghettosierung, die jetzt schon in vielen Westdeutschen Städten stattfindet aufhalten ?
Camden White
>>Nope, absolutely not. Europe needs a ton of immigrants to fix the looming problem of our population.
This makes no sense.
Caleb Miller
Germany Europe is fucked only UK is set grow and be biggest population in Europe.
Germany needs 10 to 17 million workers in next decade I fought mind.
France set drop 12% Spain 11% ass well.
All the economy's will collapse and so will house prices.
Only UK will grow
Isaiah Martin
>How would you realistically fix the population problem in Europe without immigration?
- ban women from high paying jobs - inject testosterone int numales - replace christianity with islam (to fuck the feminists for good)
Kayden Campbell
>All the economy's will collapse and so will house prices. They need to collapse anyway. Euro economies are a scam.
Connor Gray
>Too many people are about to retire and there aren't enough young people to pay for their pensions. Then fuck them. Better old ones are starving than young ones become a minority in their own homeland, you faggot.
Aaron Watson
>Better old ones are starving than young ones become a minority just proves humans are pieces of shit without forcing morality on them via religion or some other means.
Wonder how Richard Dawkins would explain this phenomena, where hedonism wins over gene spreading
John Miller
>we have a problem >lets put a temporary "fix" on the problem so it can come back twice as big later + all the other problems the "fix" brings along
good thinking
Logan Baker
>Who cares? we'll be dead! Honey, did you see our house went up in value again?
t. boomers
Jack Taylor
Make it easier for Americans to immigrate (currently it's ridiculously backward compared to being a useless 3rd-world nigger), break the ethnic immigration taboo about white(ish)-specific migration and open up to South African 'refugees' who happen to be white (yes, even non-Boer Anglo leftovers). That's just a start.
Noah Cook
>incentives. Your nation seems to be giving them to the wrong people. >let pop decease / pensions The boomer problem is global. We have the same issue here. >allow immigration It does seem like the only short term solution. This problems should’ve been worked out decades ago.
Easton Sanchez
Frankly, I look forward to the based Poles and Hungarians charging in top purge again with the help of the American expats they seem to be piling up by the thousands at the moment. i have no idea why, but WTF the number of STEP enrollees in Budapest and Krakow, Warsaw is fucking retardedly growing.
Josiah Martinez
>1post by this ID seriously how can you fall for this stupid bait?
Aiden Perry
Clearly not enough pressure is being applied. If a real "population" problem occurs (assuming you kick out kebab) then your population will start working on it. Assumedly nothing has been bad enough for people to change their act. Just let it wane and wax is what I wish the government would let all nations do instead of this bullshit.
Justin Myers
With all due respect. How come fucking refugees can find a job instantly and Spaniards can't?
Grayson Phillips
Eastern Europe’s population is dropping even faster, and every time a white American emigrates elsewhere, America becomes less white, dooming that country to become a second South Africa. It’s a zero sum game.
Josiah Bailey
>refugees >working ?
Aaron Bailey
Working for less than average wage.
Brody Price
underrated. Inuit would just kill themselves in order to save the younger generation.
Brody Long
Societies self adjust. With a low birth rate it would follow enconomical crisis, which historically have made people have more kids. Let just the natural course takes its way.
Also, you are either a joo or a shitskin rapefugee. Stop larping.
Lucas Jackson
>dooming that country to become a second South Africa Except Americans have 1000 of guns per person lol. It would be really hard to start genociding them
John Parker
this
Charles Peterson
pay women 50% of the money they pay to refugees if they have children
Undo the shitty divorce laws that can make a man lose everything without being his fault
Make working more child friendly. We live in the techoage. Why does a woman have to be "there" for a conference. Why can't she do it with her laptop at home? Same for men. Lots of work can be done at home
This woman gets 7500 py the tpayer. Just give German women a 1/4 of that instead of giving it to refugees.
Blacks already killed tens of thousands of Whites since segregation ended, not to mention all the shootings. All those guns couldn’t prevent that. And things will get worse, as the number of whited dwindle
Aiden Scott
>Uhm, nope. Germany has 50 million people that will retire in the next decade who all want their retirement payments.
So you will ruin your country just to keep the gibmedats going for another twenty years?
Jeremiah Wright
Spaniards pretend to be "unemployed" to get gibs.
Jackson Wilson
more socialism will fix it!
Luis Scott
You are being disingenuous because you have agenda for destroying German identity. Pensions are a new concept in the long history of nations, and if we can't support them them society will collapse and rebirth into different system. This is the natural order. Eventually population will correct itself naturally. If you bring in constant people for your supposed goal of paying those pensions, what happens when they retire? You have even more people you need to bring in to support those people. When does it end? Growth is not forever, stop now while you are still German.
Tyler Howard
If they got rid of pensions people would start having kids again to support them in old age. The problem, as always, is government.
Brayden Barnes
Claim: >The only way to realistically obtain economic growth is to have a growing population. Goal: >There needs to be economic growth for us to be able to allow our elderly to afford the same or higher standard of living as their seniors had. Natural limit: >The number of humans that can live off of 1 square km of land and its resources, while continuously being increased by technology, is still ultimately limited. Logical conclusion: >Population that always grows meets the natural carrying capacity limit of the available land, leading to mass famine, diseases and conflicts. The realization: >We are currently already living beyond our sustainable limit, and if anything we should be decreasing our standards of living to preserve our natural resources for the long term. End pont: >This will lead to a slowly decreasing population up until it reaches a point of balance. After which steady growth of technology will continue to increase the carrying capacity of the land we own to allow for very slow and slight population growth. Avoiding extreme situations: >Population growth cannot be allowed to plummet too quickly, as it will leave the country unstable and with a crumbling economy. Solution to ease the transition: >Allow small supplementary immigration from countries with people of similar cultural/religious and ethnic background, and work hard to naturalize them into your core population.
This ride never ends, Hans. You cannot continue to grow your population like this, or the country will collapse. You just need to smooth out the population decline. Obstacle: >Democracy. Reason: >No populace, no matter how intelligent, will ever vote for a party that will openly advocate lowering their standards of living. No matter how much sense it makes in the long run. Democratic systems are not suitable for such changes.
Why does a country need an endlessly growing population?
Don’t believe the (((lies))). Japan is doing fine. The country will have less mouths to feed in 20 years and a “smaller” economy but it won’t be destroying its culture and its people in order to make a number on a spreadsheet look bigger.
Jaxon Davis
DECREASE
GOVERNMENT TAXES
AND CONTROL OF ECONOMY
OR GET FUCKED
Matthew Rogers
I agree Hans please take more immigrants from Africa and Middle East, I mean you need to make sure you will have a pension when you retire dont you.
Camden Myers
There are a lot who start an apprenticeship after one or two years of learning German. They can look for a job in other EU countries or take lower wages. One thing they can't do is whine about 20% unemployment when there are tons of jobs.
Kevin Mitchell
Yes. This was the way in Japan, and I am sure of European and American in our grandparents generation.
I hate the fearmongering left wing do to people when they make it seem detrimental for end of pensions. It's not end! Society will reform and correct itself after pensions are gone.
Nolan Cox
I don't think Germany has an obligation to take in foreigners, but for the sake of argument, why do you think muslims are the best choice when you could bring people with German ancestry from countries like like the US in?
Kevin Russell
Germans don't understand economics, user. Too materialischte.
William Powell
>Germany has a ton of incentives for people to have children, you get lots of monetary bonusses and other privileges, yet that did not help. You're a fucking retarded 14 year old. Leave before you're banned for being underage.
Caleb Williams
>We need more young people not just to pay for them, but also to take care of them. But niggers and sandniggers don't pay for others. They cost us money. You're fucking retarded. >europe needs immigrants to pay for shit >meanwhile immigrants cost Germans money Good job.
Bentley Young
t. “German” Brazilian
>the deluded monkey thinks Germany will give him citizenship and a free ticket to their country because he’s 1/16 German Dream on, ape
Henry Ortiz
Techno futurism or bloody civil war
you ain't making this easy.
Sit down you dumb fuck and do the work for once. All the faggots complain "oh these foreigners they get all this childcare money to live off".
The biggest problem with all that money ge gov can throw at you is the mandatory school. Thats the only real thing.
wait i just remembered that you get your childcare money form the german gov even living outside of germany in another euro country for example
Julian Taylor
>Germany has a ton of incentives for people to have children, you get lots of monetary bonusses and other privileges, yet that did not help. BS. Increase bonuses. Extra heavy Tax if you're childless. Ease adoption of unwanted children & limit abortion. Limit access to contraceptives. Stop the bullshit. No incentive needed for young people to fuck.
Nolan Edwards
So the general consensus is already well known. > demonise Europeans > plant puppet governments in Europe > pass disastrous laws and policies > mass immigration > low birth rate > darken Europe
Here's what I don't understand. Let's say they win. Let's say niggers absolutely overrun Europe, and we are all killed. What happens next? What is stopping them all from chimping out against (((them))) and going full Ghengis Khan on both the East and the West? How does such a small minority expect to contain this?
>What is stopping them all from chimping out against (((them))) well, (((they))) manipulated whites into extinction. believe me, they can manipulate niggers into obeying
Juan Sanchez
Constant growth being absolutely necesaary is a perverse thought. It's the same mentally that makes the economy create huge bubbles and depressions. I say let your countries population move naturally, it's not like we westerners lack the money for pensions.
Joseph Powell
Hate speech laws. No guns. No cutlery. Imagine the UK, but all over europa. A full police state. You carry your own behavior monitor in your pocket. Dissenters go to the gulag.
Bentley Walker
there are two problems in Europe, apart from immigration of course. Old people and a lack of children.
The solution is simple. Kick old people without kids out.
There, I fixed Europe's future. Thank me later. Now bang.
Import eastern euros and white southern south americans
John Roberts
>Germany has 50 million people that will retire in the next decade who all want their retirement payments Seems like they need to die. Fucking boomers are traitors anyways
David Wilson
Brave New World. As long as the masses are distracted with mindless hedonism, they're no threat, and if all pillars of meaning (God, morality, the family, and ultimately the nation) have already been destroyed, there's nothing left for anyone to organize over. Those who try will simply be beaten back into line by their fellow drones.
And let's not forget, once we have full automation so that even skilled workers are unnecessary (i.e. at a singularity where machines can both maintain and upgrade themselves), whoever holds power at that point will have no reason to keep the masses alive. We'll just be liquidated at that point.
Landon Russell
This. They didnt want to have Children? Fine, let them starve.
Ian Foster
Well you (kinda?) got your wish, because China's birth rate is low
>I don't think Germany has an obligation to take in foreigners Did you read everything I wrote, faggot? Or did you just pay attention to the part where you thought you could mock me because of my skin? First, I'm Brazilian with Italian ancestry, not German, comedor de chucrute. And I don't plan on leaving my country. Especially for yours. Fuck incentives from the government anyway. This only benefits lazy and entitled people that think they should have everything for free while the rest of the population is working hard.
Maybe Icelandic people are 300iq or just eternal snowniggers but what we know is that our population is growing and snowniggers won't be dying out just yet.
>illiterate Africans that have been through elementary education at best will fix our labor shortage >people that won't be able to understand German for years to come >people that don't speak english What kind of job do think there are? More and more low end jobs will be lost over the next 10-20 years do to automation, there is literally nothing that can be done with those people. >elderly care Not possible without a decent understanding of the German language or medial education >Heavy industry "Easy" assembly jobs are almost completely replaced today, only jobs that are left are fairly specialized. They are not the answer to our problems.
Samuel Walker
If they start chimping out they will easily be put one against another, there's already sunni vs shia and then there's a tons of subfactions and stupid shit.
Also they already manipulate arabs countries and there's jews living in North Africa.
Kayden Lopez
Ramp up automation, tax the profits therof. All fixed.
Lucas Martinez
>he fell for the dying population meme TOPGOY
>Uhm, nope. Germany has 50 million people that will retire in the next decade who all want their retirement payments. lole
>can't pay retirement payments >spend billions on refugees, foreigners on welfare who arent even German citizens, pump billions into other EU countries and other retarded shit
youre fucking retarded m8 fuck you and your thread
It's not about the amount of ppl who care for the retiring generation it is the money they earn you retard. Less people working will end in the first real wage increase after tax and gibs since 1990. Then there will be enough money for the old baby bokmer diots who ruined this country
Jose Lopez
>be me >only have 7 guns Sad
Anthony Cox
The only reason you need young people is to have more cattle to feed the state bureaucracy.
Cut gibsmedats for old people. Its a ponzi scheme that exists only to drain the productivity from younger generations and give it to the older ones, and its continued existence is only perpetuated by the fact that eventually the younger generations want in on the deal.
Josiah Hall
>Are you, perchance, a Mudslime? a product of 1400 years of inbreeding with this level of reasoning. no, this is a leftard or a jew
Levi Rodriguez
You will be a sex tourist colony. Dont think the bankers forgot what u did to them
Jonathan Young
>Europe needs a ton of immigrants to fix the looming problem of our population >he fell for the perpetual growth meme You have been brainwashed so bad by the globalist jew you are non-recoverable. There come a point when absolute growth must end and productivity and innovation takes over. We are ling past that schlomo
Kayden Flores
At the time of Otto I. 4 million Germans lived in all of Germany. Germany itself is one of the most densely populated countries in some areas and in others very void of people, the East. The aging population issue is largely fixed by robotics and the upcoming industry 4.0 which will lead to an even lower demand for low qualified immigrants.
There simply IS NO demographic problem. It is all a LIE in the first place, told to justify mass immigration from the Middle East and Africa. Not to mention all of these immigrants are net losses to the economy, MASSIVE net losses. Not only do you have to subsidize the old, but also unqualified Africans and Arabs on welfare.
And if you repeat those lies, as you did here >whatever!!! fuck it!!! let only the best ones in and fuck th erest!!! Europe is stronk without immigration!!!!! Nope, absolutely not. Europe needs a ton of immigrants to fix the looming problem of our population. Too many people are about to retire and there aren't enough young people to pay for their pensions.
Shouldn't there be a reform on your pension system?
Brody Ortiz
>Uhm, nope. Germany has 50 million people that will retire in the next decade who all want their retirement payments. Lets all thank Germany for the retarded idea of retirement pension that requires the population to be constant or growing to work, and has invalidated multigenerational families that were the way old people could sustain themselves before it. Boohoo it worked out soooo well.
Luke Parker
just kick the childless senile fucks out, in most cases they're leftift traitors
