>Last year, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported 226,119 people. Jakiw Palij wasn’t one of them.
>During the first three months of ICE’s 2018 fiscal year, the agency deported 56,710 people, 46 percent of whom had not been convicted of a crime. This year, ICE expects to deport 209,000 people (PDF). It is highly unlikely that Palij will be among them—even though Palij is a war criminal, the last Nazi war criminal living in the United States.
>Palij served as a guard during World War II at the Trawniki forced labor camp, which also trained those participating in “Operation Reinhard,” a plan to exterminate every Jew in German-occupied Poland. He entered the country in 1949 without divulging his past and was later awarded citizenship, of which he was stripped by a federal judge in 2004 and ordered deported.
>But Palij, now 94, remains a free man because no one else wants him, either. As Eli Rosenbaum told The Daily Beast in an email, “Unfortunately, the governments of Germany, Ukraine and Poland have declined to admit Palij and no other nation has agreed to accept him.”
>ICE won't deport the last Nazi War Criminal in America! >(Btw no country on the planet will accept him so they have nowhere to deport him to anyway.)
What a joke.
Adrian Butler
>stripped of his citizenship by a federal judge Wait, that's possible? So why can't we just strip citizenship from these anchor babies and be done with it?
Aaron Lee
>war criminal >just a guy who happened to be on the losing side >probably didn't even kill anyone (not like it was somehow illegal, given allied carpet bombing of cities)
Xavier Robinson
Good.
Josiah Scott
>now 94
Okay, Jews, take the fucking L here. He got away with being a tiny tiny cog in a large machine.
Jose Scott
>Jakiw Palij Has anyone asked him what happened there? What does this guy actually have to say?
Josiah Gonzalez
We should help our comrade out. Who wants to go guard him from commies?
>just a guy who happened to be on the losing side >was literally a fucking guard at a concentration camp >admitted to being a participant in Aktion Reinhard
You can have citizenship revoked if you are found to be aiding a foreign entity hostile to the United States, such as the National Socialist German Workers Party, the Taliban, the Korean People's Army, etc.
I think the question we should be asking is, How do we save this guy from now informed SJW's.
Chase Davis
I suppose you want to execute all of the guards at German and Japanese internment camps in allied countries, as well as all the Anglos and Russians who participated in the invasion of Iran for the crime of not locking up Germans.
Mason Cruz
Mossad only killed big-wigs like Mengele and Eichmann. And even then, they had help from one of the Germans' own.
>I suppose you want to execute all of the guards at German and Japanese internment camps in allied countries, as well as all the Anglos and Russians who participated in the invasion of Iran for the crime of not locking up Germans.
I unironically do actually. They're stooges of the U.S. government and every last one of them deserves death for that alone.
>You can have citizenship revoked if you are found to be aiding a foreign entity hostile to the United States, such as the National Socialist German Workers Party, the Taliban, the Korean People's Army, etc.
So can we trick mexicans into going on record doing this? Like la raza or something?
Oliver Lewis
i bet ireland is going through a humanitarian crisis having to deal with all the deportees.
oh wait...
Wyatt Ross
Funny about that. Leftist terrorists like Angela Davis and Bill Ayers had direct ties to the Soviet Union in their youth. Their reward was a tenured university job to spread their ideas.
The more you know...
Tyler Lopez
Why dont you deport Democrat voters then
Nolan Brown
Bingo
If you're an employee of an alphabet soup agency or took part in a blatantly unconstitutional action like Internment or Gitmo, you unironically deserve the fucking noose.
>anchor babies are natural born citizens >being born literally breaks multiple federal laws Sure thing kid.
Brandon Johnson
>Anchor babies are natural-born citizens Being born here is not enough for citizenship, Reddit-flag LARPing kikeposter. Otherwise we would not have needed a special act of congress to grant citizenship to the Indians decades later.
This is a jewish lie that refuses to die, like your grandmothers who all miraculously survived six trips to the death showers during the Holohoax.
The problem is not that they are citizens now; the problem is that retroactively removing that citizenship for a dozen generations of spics illegally given citizenship since the jew invented Anchor babies in the 60s is a legal and logistical nightmare. The jew knows this.
Carter Bennett
>retard thinks ice can dump people in random countries without their permission
Ethan Gutierrez
We already have that. Immigrants tied to drug cartels found to be aiding in drug trafficking can be deported for their crimes.
Christopher Flores
What do you want to do, drop him out of a plane above Canada?
Michael Brooks
Fuck off kike
Adam Miller
We should add flag burning to that list. You wanna burn the flag? Great but it will cost you your citizenship
Leo Morales
george soros?
Josiah Powell
Yeah, why not also add wrong-think to that list too, you commie.
Easton Johnson
>worried about nazi war criminals >not worried about the war criminals we elect
>dozens of courts have ruled otherwise They're wrong
The constitution uses two versions of the word jurisdiction, and citations of the opposite intent exist throughout history
Easton Collins
probably because he did nothing wrong
Eli Hall
>During the first three months of ICE’s 2018 fiscal year, the agency deported 56,710 people, 46 percent of whom had not been convicted of a crime 54% of people deported by ICE in the first three months of the year were convicted criminals.
Adrian Sullivan
Based Ukrainian
Nicholas Wright
>attacking the messenger Stop being a retard and learn about your institutions. The amendment that was drafted to make niggers citizens is what allows anchor babies to exist.
If they're born on US soil, they're US citizens by default.
>Being born here is not enough for citizenship Literally dozens of courts have ruled otherwise dude.
>Reddit-flag LARPing kikeposter. It's not my fault that the Reconstruction Amendments are all garbage. My family fought against that shit.
>Otherwise we would not have needed a special act of congress to grant citizenship to the Indians decades later. Indians were implicitly prohibited from becoming citizens under the Article One and the 14th Amendment specifically excluded Indian Tribes at the time.
>by default So foreign diplomat children born here are us citizens? >subject to the jurisdiction thereof An illegal invader and their spawn are not subject to our distinction as they are foreign citizens not accepted by the United states
Joshua Davis
>All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof they aren't wrong. The amendment was just written very broadly.
Commies are tge ones burning the flags you dummmie
Adrian Morgan
Children of foreign diplomats are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Children born to a non-foreign dignitary, and thus not under the jurisdiction of a foreign body, are considered under the jurisdiction of the United States. Otherwise we would have a bunch of non-citizens in our land who are technically beyond the law.
You can dick around the interpretation of 'jurisdiction' all you want, but you are going to have to prove that these people are under the jurisdiction of another foreign body. So unless Mexico starts claiming all of the anchor babies, there is no way out of this mess so long as the 14th amendment is there.
Josiah Ross
They are wrong
The majority view on the subject ignores legislative history and grammar, as the majority view does for every interpretation of the constitution. Basically the current understanding of the constitution is a result of the legal profession being handed down to fucking retards
>it was written broadly Each amendment is worse than the last because they lacked the foresight to see their words being corrupted, as a result of getting more stupid over time
Jurisdiction thereof implies those the United States can and would properly exercise jurisdiction over
A non citizen explicitly rejected by the United States is not subject to it's jurisdiction and neither is their spawn. In that sense, the amendment is permissive, allowing the us to exercise jurisdiction, but also permitting it to exclude them
Samuel Bailey
>there is no way out of this mess so long as the 14th amendment is there.
I think he was implying it would be authoritarian of you to stifle someones freedom of expression. "Dummie".
Luis Adams
Slavery would have been dead before the century. Especially if Lee was prez
Ryder Nelson
>but also permitting it to exclude them you are going to need explicit support in the text if you want to try to get this to work.
And you can't say "well they're wrong" when it is plainly written in the fucking amendment. You can bitch about interpretation and intent all you want, but it is plainly written. It was done this way so that no state could have ANY route to deny niggers citizenship, and this is a consequence of that large exertion of power displayed by the 14th.
So you can mince words all you want, but so long as the 14th exist, anchor babies will too. This is the result of liberal legislation written by those who believe the end result is more important than how you get there.
Michael Barnes
What are we supposed to do with him? Shoot him into the moon?
Mexico refusing to exercise their own jurisdiction does not impute it onto us. Our constitution considers lesser and foreign laws irrelevant you fucking brainlet
If the us refuses to exercise it's jurisdiction over these people, they have no birthright citizenship
>technically beyond our law Based retard >China invades the United States >we can't do anything about it because they aren't subject to our law Subject to the jurisdiction thereof does not mean " the government can do something about them"
>you're gonna have to prove The sponsor of the amendment said foreigners would be excluded. So at the very least it's not concrete like you and the rest of the retard legal scholars assert
>The sponsor of the amendment said foreigners would be excluded. IT ISN'T FUCKING WRITTEN IN THE TEXT, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. Holy shit you are autistic.
Blake Rogers
We dont have laws on that and hopefully never will. You want to spend money on trials for eviction?
Isaiah Bennett
>Subject to the jurisdiction thereof and this means that said person is answerable to the law of the United States. a random chink from China isn't bound to the US law.
you sound like a sovereign citizen autist.
Caleb Walker
>it's plainly written No, you just don't understand grammar or the meaning of words
You're the equivalent of the majority of people who think the second amendment isn't two separate rights, because as a product of your time, you're a mindless brainlet
>it was done this way so as to not exclude niggers And yet niggers are inarguably not foreigners, so that is irrelevant
>you can mince all you want The reason the current jurisprudence exist is because of retard spineless jellyniggers like yourself that don't enforce what words mean and let them erode
Jonathan Collins
If he's a Nazi then it was too long ago. 70 years. Only a psycho holds a grudge for 70 years.
Brayden Sanders
They are foreign nationals, so they literally are under the jurisdiction of that foreign state. The court ruling that said otherwise was bullshit and has nothing to stand on. Like every creative 'interpretation' of an amendment, it can be undone by another court ruling. You don't have to change the amendment itself. And Mexico DOES claim the anchor babies, they have Mexican citizenship. You have no idea how jurisprudence works.
Wyatt Roberts
jews have millennia long grudges spiteful creatures
Jacob Thomas
>All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. >All persons born or naturalized in the United States this shouldn't need explanation >and subject to the jurisdiction thereof i.e. not under jurisdiction of some foreign body (like a diplomat) >are citizens of the United States
it is in plain fucking english. Just because you and I don't agree with the amendment doesn't mean we can try to bend the meaning of the words like a fucking jew. There is nothing ambiguous about this amendment, and this was INTENDED so that no state could find a way to deny niggers citizenship.
No amount of semantics (semitics) can change the words and meaning of this amendment. It is simply a heavy handed piece of legal text that has very far reaching consequences.
Hudson Lopez
>grudges no goy its inherited and imprinted in their DNA >t.second generation holocost survivor
>it isn't written in the text It is if you aren't a fucking idiot
The United States dealing with foreigners is not the same thing as dealing with it's own citizens
The amendment doesn't say only born in the United States, it also says and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
So you fucking retards would conflate the two. Making the second part meaningless
>sovereign citizen autist Yeah it must sound like that to the retard orthodoxy that thinks interstate commerce includes literally every transaction
Adam Smith
Ironically, his last name means "man who burn".
Carson Morales
Not only do you not understand that holding a citizenship means you are under the jurisdiction of that state, you don't understand basic grammar.
Xavier Diaz
>like a diplomat Like a child of an illegal alien >It's plain fucking English I agree, you're just too stupid to grasp the concept of jurisdiction as to properly excluded persons
Joseph Gray
Oh so you can revoke citizenship after all. really makes me think
Henry Rodriguez
Q: What's the difference between the Holocaust and a cow?
A: You can't milk a cow for 70 years.
Jacob Sanchez
>are under the jurisdiction of that foreign state. This requires some form of cooperation with Mexico. When mexico makes a grand statement informing all of these anchor babies that they are in fact mexican, then maybe another court ruling will be enough to handle this fiasco.
But I wouldn't hold your breath. Mexico has absolutely nothing to gain by claiming the citizens who mostly don't even speak spanish. So until this foreign jurisdiction is recognized, there is still no getting around this.
>it also says and subject to the jurisdiction thereof And you know how the courts deal with this? By recognizing that slaves, who were non citizens, were under the jurisdiction of the United States.
You don't seem to understand that the amendment was written so that it can't be contested. This was done on purpose, and it has since transferred to the anchor baby debate. So until you can show that these people are not under United States jurisdiction, and were never under US jurisdiction, nothing will change.
>you dont understand it was done on purpose I understand it was done on purpose as to niggers, but written in such a way as to be specific to them and properly excluding foreigners
>until you can show they are not under us jurisdiction The burden of proof is on you, every human being on the face of the earth does not start out with citizenship, only to be proven otherwise
>you know how courts deal with this The same way they deal with everything else, like retards fucking a watermelon
Josiah Taylor
If you want to deport someone, you have to send them somewhere. There is no plane to nowhere. We know where pablo is from.
Landon Sanchez
the jew of my jew is still a jew
Ayden Russell
>But Palij, now 94, remains a free man because no one else wants him, either. As Eli Rosenbaum told The Daily Beast in an email, “Unfortunately, the governments of Germany, Ukraine and Poland have declined to admit Palij and no other nation has agreed to accept him.” Maybe this is fucking why. We can't deport someone who won't be accepted anywhere
Aaron Hall
>people literally and unironically believe that a literal hostile invading army could airdrop women to birth children in the country and those children are entitled to citizenship Really activates my almonds
Probably the same retards believing in the magic dirt theory of political beliefs
Alexander Johnson
>So you fucking retards would conflate the two. Making the second part meaningless >Not only do you not understand that holding a citizenship means you are under the jurisdiction of that state
You two autist are attacking me and you don't even agree with each other on the matter of jurisdiction. Almost like it isn't so clear cut.
>The burden of proof is on you, every human being on the face of the earth does not start out with citizenship, only to be proven otherwise No, it is on you to show that these anchor babies are under the jurisdiction of Mexico (or whatever country they are from), because that is where the nuance of this issue lies.
Slaves were under the jurisdiction of the US, and were non citizens. Courts WILL conflate this status to illegal workers by comparing them to slaves, and will imply that in some form or another (probably through interstate commerce clause) that they are under the jurisdiction of the US, just like slaves were.
It seems to me trying to defend the 14th is a losing battle that provides plenty of avenues for defense to those who want anchor babies to remain. I see no way out of this mess unless Mexico enlightens us on their jurisdiction over these people.
>grand statement They are citizens of Mexico already, because their parents were citizens. The Mexican government already claims them, and even has programs designed to assist them in moving back and forth. I am not saying they SHOULD be Mexican citizens, or COULD apply for it, they literally are already in legal fact. Anchor babies hold Mexican citizenship. The nigger problem existed because the freed slaves were NOT citizens of any foreign state. There was no country that had jurisdiction over them other than the US.
Joshua Thompson
he probably wouldnt survive the plane ride back to Germany.
Josiah Butler
During the first three months of ICE’s 2018 fiscal year, the agency deported 56,710 people, 46 percent of whom had not been convicted of a crime. >illegal immigration isn’t a crime
That got me mad
Aaron Miller
>he thinks those are contradictory Lmao, you can't even parse through the arguments with intellectual honesty, or are incapable of doing so
>no it is on you to show another country exercises jurisdiction over them >our constitution is in any way whatsoever dependent on foreign declarations Lmao, it just gets worse >slaves were under the jurisdiction and were non citizens Yeah because they weren't aliens >it's a losing battle Because even people supposedly on the right are too stupid to provide the necessary intellectual thrust of an argument, a problem we've had for about 100 years
Logan Ward
>concentration camp >Work camp These aren’t the same thing you dense mother fucker
Owen Gomez
are you mad the majority of visa overstayers are canadian? or you have only issues with brown people?
Jacob Hernandez
>The Mexican government already claims them, and even has programs designed to assist them in moving back and forth. I am not saying they SHOULD be Mexican citizens, or COULD apply for it, they literally are already in legal fact. Anchor babies hold Mexican citizenship. Then it seems that a court somewhere needs to recognize Mexican jurisdiction. That it hasn't been done already makes me think it isn't that easy. I suspect a more formal and explicit show of Mexican jurisdiction over these people is needed, but so far Mexico has done nothing of the sort (as far as I am aware).
But I really don't see this getting resolved via this route unless the Mexican and US governments agree to tackle this issue. But on the other hand, that might be more likely than another constitutional convention.
Benjamin Richardson
>2100 >Grandchildren of holocaust survivors are demanding money from Germanistan for "genetic damage"
