There is little value in the "refutations" by Jordan Peterson of the JQ as discussed by the Alt-Right and thus there can rarely be much value gained from debunking his half-truths and straw-mans.
But there is value to be gained in analyzing Jewish morality and its influence on Jews in the West today. Firstly we must start with the widespread straw-man that antisemitism is born out of resentment. Which is the most intellectually dishonest critique, because the "merchant" type Jew of today is a creation of pure resentment. Especially in the USA the unprecedented power of Jews is equally a succession of the triumphs of resentment. Every triumph a revenge, every success a vain show of power to his perceived former oppressors. It is a void success, that finds no value in itself and is entirely dependent on the other. Without white Europeans the will to power of these Jews would be aimless and directionless. And its meaninglessness goes beyond the fact that without the creations of European culture their critique, twists and manipulations and reinventions of it would be without its object.
While Jewish power is as unchallenged as never before and the land of Israel reacquired, equally has the genuine spirit of Judaism never been as dead as today. Indeed Neo-Nazis and modern Jews share the same prophet: Adolf Hitler. And the Jews have replaced God and his law with the holocaust. Which is idolatry and among the worst sins, equal to murder. And while the straw-man of those that are deemed anti-Semites is that they need their boogieman to exist, these Jews depend on the anti-Semites for their identity. Because without them, without Hitler and the holocaust they would have none.
But the problem goes much deeper: the morality of Judaism and thus Christianity was born from resentment and overcompensation. Equally in the Jewish supremacism of the Old Testament and the rejection of the world in Christianity.
Nietzsche wrote the Roman saw the Jew as personified anti-nature. Surely because unlike in polytheistic times in Judaism God was above and more importantly separate from the world. Thus allowing the Judeo-Christians to create a world of their spirit and morality separate from the natural world they felt not part of, that was hostile to them and to which they were hostile. And it is also this view of the spirit as separate and above nature that is at the heart of the technological sphere that encapsulates and destroys our world. It is also at the root of the atomic weapons and it is no coincidence that Jews created them along with communism.
Therefor the Jewish will to negation and nothingess, the will that DOES "no" under Jewish influence and power works as an accelerant to the tendencies already present in Christian liberal and social democracies, most importantly the will to equality which in itself is the will of negation of the world and to nothingness. And modern western democracies are perfect embodiments of the Frankist and Sabbatean morality, the greed for sex, power and money. Yet not to fulfill nature and oneself, but to negate them.
The solution is clear and Peterson himself mentioned it for the white nationalists, but not for the Jews who need it more than anyone else: to find morality, value, vitality and identity in themselves that do not depend on the negative other. On evil whites, persecution, Hitler and the holocaust.
>Jewish morality Read the fucking Talmud, no such thing exists or ever has existed.
Owen Moore
This is a good read.
James Mitchell
I also doubt that Jewish supremacism is a post-war phenomenon. You seem to be suggesting that this Rabbi gets his goy hatred from Hitler and not from his ancient religion.
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel,” he said during a public discussion of what kind of work non-Jews are allowed to perform on Shabbat. "Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat," he said to some laughter.
Yosef, the spiritual leader of the Shas Party and the former chief Sephardi rabbi of Israel, also said that the lives of non-Jews are protected in order to prevent financial loss to Jews. "With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant."
This is a fascinating effortpost and I'm glad I stopped by Sup Forums today for the first time in awhile.
I agree that the Jews largely defined themselves in opposition to Europeans and now they're essentially losing the object that has for so long carried them forward. I'd add its rather like a parasite who's almost finished consuming its host.
However I don't know about the Nietzschean arguments. I think his view of Christianity is flawed. For example when he describes it being fundamentally about the "Will to Truth" its just truncating something down to one of its components then deconstructing that flawed part of the whole. On the whole though I don't think that Will to Nothingness is quite as bad as it seems because what inevitably happens in Christianity is that it generates low-time preference people who are focused on morality and communion with one another (not just in the abstract sense but in a very real sense) rather than their Egos and animalistic desires. The deconstruction of the Ego doesn't really mean completely destroying yourself, it means basically destroying the animal part of yourself.
Now this is terrifying and its plagued me for awhile. Why can't I have my Ego? I'd rather have the Will to Power and retain myself, affirming my life and creating new values, maybe even trying to improve the world and humanity through eugenics or something. But in the end I just always burn out (and while I'm no Nietzsche expert but I believe he did as well). Its just not substantive enough to maintain me and I'm left with The Sickness Unto Death. While I want to affirm life, I don't think I can.
And this has reserved many of my reservations about Christianity. If we view what it does to people as consequentially true we can then look at whether or not it truly is Jewish or Judaeo-Christian in its effects. I've come to believe the Jews of the OT are not the same as those of the NT and that (1/2)
Cameron Adams
Well said. And good read to OP as well. I am hesitant to pinpoint Jewish self hatred and lack of morality or virtues on the holocaust alone(not to imply you or anyone else is just brainstorming)This is a symptom that reaches back further and was exponentially exploited after WWII thanks to the holocaust. But the holocaust doesn’t excuse this exponential exploitation it only exacerbates it if anything. Either we hold them to a higher standard due to their tested higher IQ or admit their the truth which is IQ at that point has diminishing returns because Jews are proof in the pudding of this. You wouldn’t stab yourself in the back 9 inches and pull it out 6. Or worse make the wound bigger and add a few inches. Why feast on your host who provides so much? It is mind boggling. Jews are definitely the ultimate study for scientists or anyone clinging to psychology. It is especially interesting how despite that they’re are a no go zone in academia. Makes you wonder. Gets the noggin jogging.
Blake Morgan
those who rejected him simply went on to embrace a new form of idolatry. The religion you're critiquing here that separates itself so much from the natural world and has resulted in the technological soulless hellscape we see today is not one that is focused on heaven and thus separated from land but rather a wholly materialistic one that worships the lowest of the low and can truly be called the Synagogue of Satan. I think focusing on heaven results in a greater connection to the land because it creates a more stable life. What caused the Industrial Revolution and all of these problems with modernity was not Christianity or even Judaism but just raw progress determined by technology. Now Jews have taken over the proverbial ruins and there have been conflicts and mix ups but what we're waiting to see is whether we'll just keep accelerating ad infinitum (or into oblivion) or whether some sort of facilitation will take hold. And I don't believe Nietzsche larping will work. His metaphysics aren't compatible with the human mind. It just doesn't work, however subjective my claim is. I think Christianity might be the only valid response to The Jewish Question.
Charles Rogers
What are your thoughts on E. Michael Jones' interpretation of Logos versus that of Jordan Peterson's?
James Lopez
>Either we hold them to a higher standard due to their tested higher IQ or admit their the truth which is IQ at that point has diminishing returns because Jews are proof in the pudding of this. Jewish IQ may be over exaggerated for political reasons, there's plenty of speculation about this if you look around.
However, in the studies that there are, they seem to score quite high on verbal IQ but rather low on visual-spatial IQ, something to factor into your pondering perhaps.
>Peterson Peterson doesn't not actually believe in God or Jesus Christ being God in the flesh, so his conception of Logos is basically just logic and truth, as far as I can discern.
Nolan Wright
Yeah I mean I think I would actually agree with Peterson insofar as saying it doesn't really matter whether or not Jesus actually existed in the historical record because consequentially it makes no difference whether or not its allegorical or historical. However I do believe its historically true whereas he says he's agnostic.
I'm still basically discerning what Church or denomination I want to follow so I'd essentially leave the specifics of it up to them. In the end if I was given absolute proof tomorrow that the Bible is filled with things that empirically never happened it doesn't change the subjective truth it offers in terms of ideals. So Peterson is on to something there.
The danger in it though is this: it attempts to rationalize it down. These are not real spiritual forces acting upon me but rather psychic forces and neurons firing in my brain. Not God or logos but soulless and essentially dead archetypes created my the unconscious of man. It risks turning into that which is my main contention with it. In essence, his approach lacks Faith or any real religion. Notice that he never says, go to church or commune with others or pray, no he says "wow guys look at how cool my shaky and arguably valid interpretation of this ultimately lifeless symbol is"
I'll definitely check out Jones' stuff
Evan Edwards
Read the New Testament if you haven't already, if you want to grow faith. Faith is a type of magic, it profoundly effects the human body (and soul). You can interact with supernatural divine. God is beyond the comprehension of our minds, but some of the aspects of God that we can at least express as ideas are that God is pure love and light.
I went through a big phase of doubting though which is part of why I made the post up above in the thread, I was struggling with the exact same ideas that OP was putting forward. I was conflicted about ego dissolution and Christianity possibly being jewed and all of the Nietzschean critiques, but over the last week I've been deconstructing a lot of these arguments and coming back to what was originally drawing me to Christianity.
And yeah I'll definitely check out Feser as well, I've heard both of these guys mentioned before, I'm sure it'll be interesting
