Why did Sup Forums hate Suzaku so much?

Why did Sup Forums hate Suzaku so much?

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i liked suzaku

Suzaku was the best character in the whole show.

since he started spinning out of control

Childhood is when you idolize Lelouch; adulthood is when you realize Suzaku makes more sense.

This. Reform > revolution

I like Suzaku but he became a huge hypocrite in R2.

He betrayed his family and his country, then sucked the invaders' cocks because he believed that if he was a good enough slave, they'd do what he wanted.

I was reading this with Suzaku's abridge voice.

this is why
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regardless of whatever development he had this was unforgiveable

Oh no, he punched the annoying sociopathic manchild. How awful.

He should have tasted that Cecile cake, now that's unforgivable.

There's only soup

Do you think they'll kill him off? He's actually a piece of shit.

we can only hope
there are quite a few characters like him that would be better off not being in the new season

His gravity manipulation was OP and pretty much completely world breaking considering he didn't have a Geass to power it.

>careful audience, he's sick and could die at any moment!
>lives until the end of the season before dying offscreen
Suffering

If Suzaku is worthy of scorn for trying to prevent a disastrous invasion from getting any worse and then collaborating in search of a peaceful solution for all, what does that make Lelouch for declaring war on his own country, outright murders his family members, and manipulating people in hope they'll fulfill his revenge/siscon fantasies no matter the cost?

Oh, that makes him the cool protagonist and we get mad when the stooges turn on him.

I'm not that user but the reason I disliked Suzaku wasn't because of those things you said but because of his naive idealism in the face of reality. He literally sees, as a soldier in the Britannian army, his people being killed on a daily basis as entertainment for the invaders and still believes he, nothing more than a grunt in the army, can rise to influence enough to make significant reforms even though there was no indication prior to Lancelot that he could even reach that rank. He didn't know Euphy, he didn't have Lancelot, nor his live Geass. At the time he had nothing, and still naively clung onto his idealism and acted like any way that's not his is evil. At least Lelouch faced reality and tried to implement changes in a more realistic manner than leaving it to luck like Suzaku did.

Yeah, particularly in the beginning there was no reason for him to believe he would make a difference.

As an 11 he wasn't even really a grunt in the Britannian army, he was below a grunt.
He was scored by Britannian grunts and 11s alike.

His plan to change them from the inside was completely unreasonable at the beginning because he had negative influence.

We don't have a high enough IQ to understand Suzaku

This. Basically the only reason Suzaku got as far as he did was a combination of pure luck and Lelouch's actions. If the Black Knights hadn't shown up, there would have been no need to deploy Lancelot. No need to have used Suzaku as the pilot, perhaps he would have never met Euphy. The thing is, a lot of his "successes" are less due to his talent and more due to luck and he still acts like he was justified from the start. That just made him pretty unlikable. Especially the way he was treating Lelouch in the Akito OVAs like an animal when his actions are hardly better morally.

>try to reform corrupt system
>get executed by said corrupt system before you managed to reform anything if it wasn't for lelouch saving your pathetic ass

Suzaku did NOTHING right and only leeched off the accomplishments of Lelouch.

It's actually funny to think if Lelouch simply hadn't done anything that day, Suzaku would have either died or remained a faceless grunt in the army. Really, he should be thanking Lelouch instead of hating him for getting him to where he was at the end of the first season.

>Childhood is when you idolize Lelouch. Teenagehood is when you think Suzaku makes more sense. Adulthood is realizind Suzuku is retarded idealist who would never accomplish anything in real world (of code geass) if it wasn't for Lelouch.

Not to mention he was ready to accept being killed to take down Zero.

>i totally cant go against the military even though i have been made the personal knight of a royal and this will totally help reform brittania

Suzaku's guilt from killing his own father prevented him from being the man who he wanted to be, and led him on to betray his own desires in favor of ideals that don't matter to anybody.
He barely did anything worthwhile in R1 or in the first half of R2, but that's not always what matters.

Lelouch literally made his "girlfriend" into Hitler(not the good kind). How could you not hate hate someone for that.

I pray. I don't know why the writers liked him so much.

Euphinator was just a monster in disguise, Zero's a good boy he dindu nuffin

It's the better, least bloodthirsty path in theory but the thing is Suzaku was never smart enough to make it work. He was a tool, literally and figuratively, and he never ceased to be one.

>can rise to influence enough to make significant reforms even though there was no indication prior to Lancelot that he could even reach that rank
Prior to the first fucking episode?
>At least Lelouch faced reality and tried to implement changes in a more realistic manner
He literally had magic eye powers

That's literally how it works in real life. You go up in ranks in the military by being a good solider and meeting people in high up places. Lloyd and Euphy actually liked Suzaku as a person they didn't just give him anything with their first meeting. Your argument makes no fucking sense since Lelouch would have gotten nowhere if he didn't make meet CC by chance.

Lloyd was going to meet up with Suzaku n the first episode to make him a test pilot due to his high simulation scores, it was not by chance. The only stance that was by luck is him meeting Euphie but at the same time if she didn't think he was a swell guy then he wouldn't have gotten anywhere. None of this had anything to do with Lelouch's actions and they were the main reasons why he was promoted to begin with.

>people going on about how Suzaku only had moments because of Lelouch
>while conveniently ignoring that Lelouch would be dead in episode 1 had Suzaku not saved him

If Lelouch had done nothing Suzaku wouldn't have gotten shot to begin with
Did you retards conveniently forget that Lelouch would have been dead in the first episode if Suzaku didn't save him? Let's forget the fact that the reason why Suzaku got framed to begin with is because of Lelouch. Almost like everything bad that's happened through the course of the show is because of Lelouch's actions.

Looks like you didn't understand the character at all

>I'm going to change the system from the inside by complying to the system until I'm high enough in power to not care anymore since I've got some royal pussy on the way
I don't know, he was such a likable character.

see

He's an idiot.
He's a hypocryte.
He's also a parody of those self-righteous overpowered protagonists except here he's the antagonist.

See what ?
Having a "hard life" invalidates everything ?
No wonder you like the scumbag.

Here's a guide to the mindset of the Code Geass fandom

>Are you with Lelouch or against him
>If the answer is against you are the worst character in the show
>If your answer is with you are the second best character in the show

Bottomline Lelouchfags are retards and unfortunately are the largest most loudest group in the fandom.

I'm guessing it's because people don't separate characters who are meant to be disliked and bad characters
Regardless of reasoning, it happens too often.

>Jeremiah's is mainly orange dots
Hell yeah

He deserves the love.
I'm really glad that they did something with Jeremiah's character, because he could have easily been forgotten.

I hated him at the beggining but he turned out to be top tier bro

Well every character in CG is meant to be unlikable in one way or another I mean look at this,, these guys liked a character who gleefully slaughtered innocent Japanese people in the first episode

>innocent Japanese people
They are Elevens, don't confuse

NIPPON NIPPON NIPPONPON

> Childhood is when you idolize Lelouch; adulthood is when you realize that CG is a shitty shounen written for 14yo and doesn't deserve any serious thoughts.

Because he's a spinner

Let's talk about these people
Who are/were they and what purpose could they serve (possibly in R3)?

Given that C.C. alone lived well into the middle ages, I can only guess that those ladies are part of some ancient civilization that possessed geass. Maybe as a point of worship or something their priestess' possessed or something.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S ONLY SOUP

>conveniently forget that Lelouch
You conveniently forget that Suzaku's brethren preferred Zero than retarded quisling like him.

>Almost like everything bad that's happened
Except massacre in Shinjuku where Suzaku helped brits like good tool

>brethren preferred Zero
Until they found out he was a Britannian prince and then told him to fuck off
>Except massacre in Shinjuku where Suzaku helped brits like good tool
Where did he kill Elevens user?

>All those Jeremiah Gottwald stickers

Wow user you have the most advanced taste in the entire world

>Idolizing the japanese equivalent of an uncle tom

he went to the Soup store

>Elevens
>People

>antagonist
He's the deuteragonist user

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Better than being a normal eleven

He was planning to start a rebellion even before he got magic eye powers. This is literally stated in the series, user.

>He was planning to start a rebellion even before he got magic eye powers
No he wasn't. He did next to shit for years before he got the opportunity by coincidence. How was he going to plan a rebellion reading Hamlet and playing hookey?

I love Suzaku and all of his flaws and self contradictions.

Not that user but he is right. Lelouch stated that the eye would significally hasten his rebellion but he had plans to do it without his power. He just never told us what he was supposed to do.

If you'll use even a tiny amount of brain power, you'll recall that he talked with the old man whom he helped out with chess in the first episode, it's later revealed that Lelouch was having him make the Zero costume even before meeting CC.
Without the Geass it probably would've taken somewhat longer, but Lelouch was presumably planning to use his genius tactical and strategic skills to make a rebellion the normal way.

>She was practically BEGGING for that eleven dick ever since a few weeks after she met him
>He completely ignores the signals sent by the cake
HE COULD HAVE GIVEN HER THE DICK, BUT HE DIDN'T! HE LISTENED TO THE FUCKING EVIL DEMON AND WITHHELD THE DICK! MOTHER FUCKER!

>He was planning to rebel
>but did nothing to prepare for it for years

Okay
Wrong again Lelouchfag. He wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the Geass and he sure wasn't planning anything by then either.

What ever happened to the movie that was supposed to come out this year?

He was preparing. Just we do not see the results. It's just sloppy writing

Pretty sure it got released, why do you ask? It's just a recap, nobody cares.

I expected to see it somewhere on the internet but theres literally nothing

Why would anyone camrip a recap?

>Lelouchfags criticize Suzaku for not having a plan to change Britannia from within
>How was Lelouch going to rebel against Britannia with no Geass?
>Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

Dude, he literally had the Zero mask made before meeting CC, this is explicitly stated in the series.

They changed some things, new scenes, some scenes/events retconned, though it's true I expected the other two movies to contain more changes, what with handling the unnecessary bloat in R2.

Wrong. He had the Zero mask made on the same night of Suzaku's execution

So you think he had his custom-made mask and costume made in a single night?
Here, let me spell it out. In the image you can see Lelouch talking to the old guy, from whom he later receives his mask and then geass's into forgetting it. I sure wonder what Lelouch was referring to here.

I doubt it's significant, we would have heard about it.

>>So you think he had his custom-made mask and costume made in a single night?
Yes. He specifically states that the mask came installed with an automatic window opening for his geass how the fuck did Lelouch know he would need something so specific for a mask he had in the works if he never had geass until that very day?

Are you even an American?

And what do you think is more likely, that he had that whole costume made only after the fact and was talking about something unrelated with the old man, which was clearly shown, or that he added a request for the slide system after the fact, when he got his geass? Only the mask would need to be altered.
The old guy mentiones the slide system after initially describing it as "to your order", as well.

>revolution = america

Because porn with plot does?

If the system is too corrupted, no reform will be able to fix it. There HAS to be cooperating parties with enough influence to change the system and make the reform work. Suzaku alone wouldn't be able to do it.

Completely different. Suzaku has fundamentally flawed logic that stems from guilt complexes (The system is broken, but I can use the system to fix the system. Makes sense). On a basic level Suzaku doesn't even want to change the world, he just wants to atone for his sin. So he deludes himself that playing cannon fodder and putting himself in harms way will eventually lead to some greater good.


We don't know how Lelouch intended to take down Britannia (though to assume he had only one plan is doubtful) but it's also not like he wasn't further ahead than Suzaku by the time the show starts. Lelouch is gambling, making connections with nobles and other shady characters, and amassing wealth independent from what the Ashforde's afford him. It's not a stretch to imagine him becoming involved with some sort of mafia or other resistance groups and growing from there.

Honestly I would watch a show about Lelouch's takeover of Britannia without geass
That would be very interesting

While I agree with what you said, is not like Lelouch had noble motives either. He wanted to avenge his mother and secure a world for Nunally, he never actually cared about the japanese beyond how useful they could be for his plans. What he had above Suzaku was position (a prince from the ruling empire), power (the geass), and influence (the black knights/japanese people). Suzaku had neither of those, he was always someone's pawn because he was trying to work in a system that would never favor him.

>Completely different.
Nah you just like one character over the other is all.
>Suzaku has fundamentally flawed logic that stems from guilt complexes
There's nothing flawed about his logic its a fucking action that has been done for years. You think people can change the system by doing fuck all and just waiting it to happen?

>On a basic level Suzaku doesn't even want to change the world
He does. Euphie just saw through that benefit all his guilt he really did wanted what was best for everyone even if it meant people would hate him inthe process. He was genuine in his pursuit its just that he couldn't let go of his own guilt in the process.

> Lelouch is gambling, making connections with nobles and other shady characters, and amassing wealth independent from what the Ashforde's afford him.
Nothing Lelouch did during his escapades benefited him before he gained geass and gained pawns to do his bidding. He was the equivalent of an edgy teenager who thought he was destined for greater things which is the opposite of actually planning shit.

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Because he should have a bulge.

>posts fate image

old Sup Forums was full of newfags

They wouldn't have made the thing if people didn't want to see it

They didn't make it because people wanted to see it, they made it because they want money and they hope some people are starved enough for Code Geass to pay to watch stuff they already watched..

Sup Forums finest moment, even I did not notice he had no penis

>The system is broken, but I can use the system to fix the system. Makes sense

You are willing to make changes in a corrupt system if you get up in the ranks of thus system in order to make your voice heard instead of doing nothing but complain about how corrupt it is. Funny how that worse. Certainly better than gambling and quoting Hamlet all day,

So what you are saying is that there is an audience of people who want to watch it

How big is his dick, Sup Forums?