Can you truly call Kirie Kotomine Evil?

He still tried to be a good person even though it wouldn't bring him true happiness

Wow Fate/Zero is so deep.............

If causing mass suffering is your road to happiness then your God is an edgy hack and it's time to kill yourself.

Kirie is the only character that wasn't ruined by nu-Fate

He is my ideal male being despite being bad guy of the show

What made Heaven's Feel so good?

Zouken was the bad guy

>zouken
>bad

All he ever wanted in life is to be with his waifu Justicia

Evil or not he's my man.

Is there any anime that good guy version of Kirei is the MC of the show?

this

Most of Fate/Zero is taken from the Fate and HF routes.

I mean he wins a holy grail war.
But has the unfortune of his wish activating at a random time where he was unconscious.

He also was corrupted by the grail.

He is evil by nature. Trying to deny his nature just brought him suffering.

He stabbed his master in the back and then gifted the knife he used to his master's own daughter, right after saying the rites at his funeral.

Kirei is lowkey the biggest bantz master of Fate.

What's the difference between him and Kirie?

Forgot pic related

it's the coool

His daughter is cute

isn't she a whore? haven't read HA

Kirei is evil. He just is, at a fundamental level.

But I respect him for denying that evil and do good instead, even when it made him miserable, for so much of his life. He tried to be a good person. He really did. Its not his fault he is wired to experience joy from the suffering of others.

Underrated fate girl.
Fate/hollow ataraxia anime when?

>Good deeds bring no joy to my life Wahhhhhh
>I was cursed to only enjoy morally wrong things Wahhhhhhhh
Kotomine is a retarded edge fag. Yet he was the best, most competent character in the series. Heaven’s feel was his and Ilya’s route.

Why is she so stacked in the prisma anime?
She's flat in the vn

What about Fate and UBW?

>can you call kotomine evil?
yes, at least at any point past the 4th HGW

Other parts of the vn have her stacked

Compared to people who were born normal but do still do evil are worse than him. That's why it's hard to call Kotomine evil. Same thing with Shirou except it's the opposite.

but then look at his daughter, who has the same issues as him yet is still a good person

at the end of the day kirei had the same choice so many others had- do you do the moral thing or what brings you pleasure, and like many others he chose to take pleasure over moral good

Read the VN

I don't have time user-kun. Does she please old men?

Kirei is lawful evil, Ryuunosuke is chaotic evil

No one in Fate is completely, legitimately evil, that's the whole point.

ryuunusuke

Caren isn't as crazy as Kotomine because she also inherited her mother's traits.

sasuga urobutcher

I'm a filthy secondary but he's the villain in every route right

Kind of a cunt desu

>and yet the evil one didnt cheat on his wife


no, hes both an ally and antagonist in HF and is also a secondary antagonist in UBW

>most competent character in the series
>loses to kerry
>gets killed by his autistic ginger son
>shanked by his own servant
>competant

>That's why it's hard to call Kotomine evil.
It's not. He's just evil by nature AND choice rather than just the latter.

both of them got in suicidal marriages.

Nope, there are good and evil people. Nasu just has his own interpretations.

nasu's alignment system is even worse than DnD's- its barely worth considering

>Tries to kill all humanity
>Good

gilgamesh may as well have multiple personality disorder for how much his character varies from work to work

There is no objective point of view on someone's alignment. Gilgamesh was acting according to his principles and morals. In his eyes mankind was evil, therefore he was doing the right thing.

>>Tries to kill all humanity
>>Evil

and in Zoukens eyes what he was doing was right, so did ryuunusuke and just about every other villain

very few people believe themselves to be evil

What was zoukens problem again ? I saw his young form in FGO and he was still asshole

hes a magus

Of course he is, the only thing that differentiates him from your run on the mil saturday morning cartoon villain is how 90% of his screentime is him pondering on doing evil things instead of actually doing them

>Tries to kill all humanity
That wasn't what he was doing though. He was trying to cull the wheat from the chaff, and wanted to reset civilization with only the strong left. In his mind, it was "good" because modern humanity was "bad".

>Let's bring Satan to this world because everything deserves to live
>Also I'm bored

Great character.

Being a traditional, authoritan father and upper class intellectual twat.

>Wahhhhhh so edge Wahhhhhhhh

The guy lost sight of himself 500 years. Basically goes:
>I must become immortal to...
>create a utopia for humanity and end all suffering.
>I must become immortal to...
>make sure Justeaze's sacrifice wasn't in vain.
>I must become immortal for...
>my goals. What were they?
>I must become immortal...
>I must become immortal.
Dude's pretty much senile. Time passed by and what were originally very good intentions faded away and left only the drive to become immortal. When he sees Illya in the Dress of Heaven, he remembers Justeaze and why he wanted immortality and the Grail in the first place.

Fuck off Sup Forumsermin

>Illya manages to even make one of the biggest assholes see reason

Sasuga best girl.

>Wahhhhhh fuck off Sup Forumsermin

He's evil and he knows it, he just gave up on denying it.

His entire motivation in SN is learn why something as fucked up as him could exist and it it was alright for him to be born.

Get out Sup Forumsermin