>best friend is dead
>adopted daughter is god knows where (and she took the dog too)
>the seductive femme fatale was probably only sticking around cause she had a crush on your dead best friend
>left with an empty Bebop
Jet had it rougher than any of the other MCs in Bebop.
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The lack of closure on what happened to them is honestly my only real gripe with the ending. Really the last time we see them is in heart break and misery.
Hey friend, here to inform you that Spike lived and Jet didn't cry at the end I promise
>Spike died
>Jet had it rougher
Reminds me of that Hillary Clinton quote.
>lack of closure
You wanted some kind of
>Jet then did this
>Faye then did that
It is because it ends that way that many people like it.
>Spike lived
wouldn't surprise me. The man constantly survives deathly shit throughout the entire series, and Shinichiro Watanabe is always vague as fuck when people ask him about what happened to Spike at the end of the series.
"Maybe he was just sleeping? (laughs)" - actual quote.
>You wanted some kind of
No. Not necessarily, and In do appreciate the ending we got. I just think maybe early in the series we could have woven in some more direction for the other characters lives. Though I guess Faye had literally nothing and Jet didn't really have much to do after his girlfriend got married. And arrested. By him.
>he got cucked before the start of the series
His life was already hell. None of those other ones matter at this point.
no; I think he got the appropriate level of closure given it was a 1990s work and that sort of ending of his was all the rage at the time.
To me "You're gonna carry that weight" always implied that Spike lived. It doesn't make any sense otherwise.
HOW? "You're going to carry that weight" was clearly an indication to the series theme of you can't run from your past which has been a constant mark of the series. "Never leave food in the refrigerator, the Indian man saying his death would come because of a woman (Julia)"
Not to mention the shooting star at the end going out.
He did get shot repeatedly, stabbed, then thrown out a window before falling like 3 stories without dying, so yeah he could have survived.
Id say the bigger problem would be the fact he was surround by the dragons when he collapsed.
Would they kill him? Make him their new boss? I feel like they wouldnt just let him go
I wouldn't say he got cucked, I think his wife/girlfriend got sick of him being a papa bear all the time so shacked up with that unhinged guy because at least she could influence him, when she could never influence Jet.
"All I had to do was hold your hand" she says. She had no agency.
Dying would be cheating, just another way of leaving it all behind. Julia's dead, so what? Spike has to live with that rather than get himself killed because he doesn't want to deal with it. And he left Jet and Faye behind. He didn't stop running, just changed what he ran from. If Spike died, it's literally a bad end.
Except the message isn't TO Spike. It's TO the viewer. user, YOU"RE THE SPACE COWBOY!
It depends on how high-up Spike was in the Syndicate back in the day. Was he a cut-throat guy like Vicious or what? Bebop never explains anything about Spike's past. I really can't imagine him being a cut-throat, he's just too damn cool for that. Maybe he left the syndicate because he didn't approve of how violent it was getting? They don't illuminate any of this in the series, it's a mystery.
I think he was a pretty high ranking member, or at least popular.
The boss had people looking for him for years, and Shin had wanted him to take over instead of vicious
So there is that. On the other hand, he did just shoot up the place and kill a bunch of people
Yeah, and? Doesn't change that Spike was a coward in the end. Abandoned his friends and got himself killed because his life had no meaning without Julia.
He left because he wanted to steal Julia from Vicious and running away was the only way to do that.
They don't elaborate, but I think it's pretty clear that Spike was an upcoming lieutenant who stood by the old guard while Vicious was an upcoming lieutenant who was cut throat. Vicious formulated a plan to kill/get Spike out of the syndicate because he knew Spike would be promoted over him.
So basically Spike left as a well known and respected lieutenant with potential to become a major gang leader. Take that as you will for his status in the gang some several years later after vicious initiated a hostile takeover.
I always got the feeling vicious wanted spike dead because his affair with julia. One of the flashbacks made it look like they were friends, or at least friendly at some point
Coward? He went and killed the oraginzation's boss making a mess of their building. And it's not like feye and jet were in danger so how is he a coward?
Admittedly, it's been a while since I watched it, but I always thought of Vicious using Julia as an excuse to advance himself, as opposed to her being the start of his advancement.
He's a hypocrite at the very least. Faye calks him on it, saying he said nothing good can come of being attached to the past, but he then goes off to let himself be killed by his past.
I dunno, its possible. Though he waited a few years between Spike leaving and killing the boss.
I don't think Spike and Viscous were ever "friends". Friendship means nothing to Viscous, he killed Gren without a second thought. Maybe Spike was trying to rescue Julia from the psychopathy of Viscous.
I saw it more as Spike confronting his past life and Vicious after years of avoiding it. Julia was just the final straw that drove him to do it.
Sure Spike knowingly went on a suicide mission, leaving his friends behind but he and most of the other crew have done the same thing at least once in the series. They're bounty hunters and expect that sort of thing.
There was at least some level of respect between them.
I mean, none of them went on suicide missions for a bounty. It's just a way of making money for them. Spike was the only one who ever deliberately went to battles he knew could likely kill him. Faye and Jet would generally just throw in the towel if a bounty got too hot.
Which is why Faye is so pissed at the end that Spike would go to what is almost certainly his death. Jet clearly doesnt agree with the decision either, hes just resigned to spike going.
>Though he waited a few years between Spike leaving and killing the boss.
There's a big difference between killing off another lieutenant supposedly over love, and knocking off an actual boss in a blatant power grab. It's not too much to guess that Vicious would have spent a while building up support and slipping his own people into power.
The alternative is forever running scared for the rest of his life, growing old and wishing he did something all those years ago.
I recall Vicious was on the Bebop's trail after Julia's death too. So it's properly not like Spike had that option to begin with.
Well theres a difference between running the rest of your life and throwing yourself into a suicidal assault of a mafia home base.
If it was a matter of just getting rid of vicious to stay alive, Spike could have been smarter. He had Shin on his side, and he may have still had popularity he could use.
But instead he attacked a well guarded facility from the front door with nothing but pistols and some c4. Survival clearly wasnt a priority
I guess the ending is lost on you then. Sorry.
Nice comeback.
If you dont see Spike's actions at the end as suicidal at all, then I think you are the one who didnt get it
That's the point.
That's life my dude
What part of "Im not going to die, Im going to see if I was ever truly alive"
Yes Spike sees his life through a warped version of Bushido and believes on some level that death will simply led to him waking from a dream.
Spike was a little suicidal, or at least didn't see the value of his own life for the entire series. It's a running theme he gambles his life repeatedly and there's the whole one eye can only see the past thing. When he's assaulting the mafia hq at the end wasn't he wasn't looking for a place to die but for a way to finally start living again. He had to have that confrontation. It wasn't only about killing Vicious but about emotional closure.
Never said it was suicide. Just that he didn't prioritise living. If he wasn't mortally wounded by Vicious and was fit enough to escape, he'd return to the Bebop like every other time. Probably depressed as fuck though.
Not everything that disagrees with you is a 'comeback', Fred. You just don't seem to understand that a safe life isn't every character's motivation. Reminds me of a Red Dwarf scene.
Jet and Faye already had the most closure possible for either of them. The most Faye could have done at that point was finally confront her living acquaintances instead of hiding, but that was a next step for her to take at her own speed.
Also, Spike totally died. The entire series builds up to and foreshadows that. The same birds that take flight when Julia is fatally shot even fly over Spike's body at the end and begin the camera pan up to the fading star.
It's more real to me than you will ever be.
I believe in you user!
I don't and I don't advise anyone to. Believing in me is a waste of time.
Can't stop me user! I'll keep believing in you no matter what I'm sure you can be!
He is kind of an hypocrite but i think he never agreed with what he said. I think he said those things just to try and actually do them, but in the end he couldn't repeat it anymore. It's like when you're doing somerhing that you know is wrong but you cannot control your anger and feelings and you just do it. That's what spike felt after losing julia.
so you're saying it was all a dream?
Faye: "You've never told me anything about yourself, don't tell me now!"
She knew exactly what Spike was doing.
There are things worse than death, friend.