If Violet Evergarden is movie tier, why does Hibikek and the Blue Bird look better?

If Violet Evergarden is movie tier, why does Hibikek and the Blue Bird look better?

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Looks about the same to me.

Evergarden looks better than your typical tv show but it's still running on a tv budget.

If Violet is movie tier, that hibike movie would be cinema or kino tier.
Normal anime would be flick tier of course.

Neither look better though. Just different style applied. Blue Bird absolutely does not have the intricate details of Violet into every little thing due to not having a certain staff member.

Who? Ishidate?

We've been hitting that level of quality since 2009

Akiko Takase who's just debuting. Known for the insane detail that is displayed all around in Evergarden so far. Apparently enjoys the difficulty in drawing such things.
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Good to know many new talents are growing at Kyoani

I wish they'd keep insane detail within movies. Instead of spreading it thin between episodes it'd be cool if they shot for a Ghibli tier movie or something.

>it'd be cool if they shot for a Ghibli tier movie or something.

I hope you don't mean the way Ghibli does their job. Ghibli is like the epitome of inefficiency and stupid autism stuck for unnecessary detail. And look what they've become after all these years; an utter failure of raising any new talent. It'd be outrageous if Kyoani became a Ghibli

I just mean a movie with a lot of meticulous detail all around.

Both look like kino

>Evergarden looks better than your typical tv show but it's still running on a tv budget.
Stop
talking
about
budget

Which KyoAni movie looks the "best", or most "detailed"?
- Munto (Kigami)
- Disappearance (Takemoto)
- K-On! (Yamada)
- Tamako Love Story (Yamada)
- Kyoukai no Kanata: Mirai-hen (Ishidate)
- High Speed! (Takemoto)
- Koe no Katachi (Yamada)

Not counting recap movies.

Phantom World looks better than all those though.

But that's fairly simple, OP. sit and listen. The difference is in the aesthetic and especially how you perceive them which is an aspect called "subjectivity". These "preferences" are engraved into you "brain/minds" and basically come naturally from the basis of your mental existence.

tl; dr (you) simply like the aesthetics of the latter more than the former

>dump a shit load of filters onto image
>call it high quality

Based Netflix saving tons of money.

- Disappearance (Takemoto)
Direction.

- K-On! (Yamada)
Animation

- Koe no Katachi (Yamada)
Photography and composite.

Aight fuck this I'm letting lose for this budget garbage, I've heard it way too many times and you just sound like such a pompous faggot.

Of course, inspiration and talent is gonna effect the quality of your show way more than money, but money is NOT IRRELEVANT, not in the fucking slightest. For example, Digimon Tamers, a show that excels highly in its character designs, color work, backgrounds, fashion design, etc; can never live up to the incredibly striking ideas that the director had for the storyboarding, because they simply didn't have the money (and thus time) to animate certain angles with a level of fluidity that would be high enough to be as impactful as the perspective deserves. Additionally, the lack of funds also brought about troubles with background characters pretty much never moving, which breaks immersion. So yeah, great show, still looks pretty good because of fantastic design work and direction, but it would have been a complete masterpiece if it even had like, a bit more to work with finacially. Now if you wanna go into KyoAni, and the opposite, you can get to Hyouka. Hyouka came around at a middleground, before KyoAni got so up their own ass that all of their shows looked terrible and their animators became lazy fucks, and after the years of experimentation that they did. It also cost a fuckton of money. All those crazy perspectives and visual metaphors that completely change the style of the show? That's not "le talent", that's something you can do when you have the money and time to hire specialized artists that have those skills.

And for fuck's sake, I'm not even that well researched to be honest, so there might be holes in the above argument, but can you even remotely argue with how fucking important time is? Just like cinema, if you have more money, you can start work way earlier, hire more production assistants, work to develop higher quality facilities to keep up morale, etc.

Here's a reply.

>just slap filters on bro, reddit will think it's kino

The absolute singularity of KyoAnus

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pleb

To be fair, the reason why VEG is also a cut above the rest despite being a TV Production is because it's a passion project for the staff. That and of course the new talent mentioned above.

Damn I hope KyoAni gets enough money to hire Takemoto again

>because it's a passion project for the staff
Why though?

Because it has cute lesbians.

O yeah lol cuz directors are all that matters in how good a show looks woah ur right

passion project for a bunch of lazy hacks but yea that is substantial

>before KyoAni got so up their own ass that all of their shows looked terrible and their animators became lazy fucks
You mean before KyoAni began producing anime on a significantly more frequent basis leaving less time for each show to be worked on.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

Don't worry, this is a VEG thread. Shitposting is the basis and the core of it.

We've barely seen anything from the Hibike movies, You can't compare them.

I'm not bothered anyway, I thought Koe no Katachi looked like ass but I still enjoyed it.

Fuck that lol. Awful colors, direction, animation, fashion design, etc. Is not a fucking time issue.

I'm not shitposting nor ironic shitposting.

You said animators in that sentence, so I assumed you were talking about animation and that is absolutely a time issue. It'd be ignorant to suggest otherwise.

Budget is not irrelevant to the realities of anime production, but it's also an unknown quantity to the public in most cases. It's not really worth talking about budget when you have no information to base your discussion on and just accrediting any difference in quality within or between anime to the budget is just ignorant.

Well, generally it is, but in this case it isnt. sakugabooru.com/post/show/28187 on every level, I think this cut is atrociously animated. And I don't think it's an issue of time. I don't think the awkward janky way that everyone moves, or the terrible camera movements are an issue of not having enough time. Hell, Koe no Katachi, which was in production for years, has god awful animation non stop for its 2 hour run, surely that's not a time issue? Specifically animation btw, not even like, any of the other stuff i was talking about earlier.

There are ways you can extrapolate from the show itself how much certain episodes cost compared to other shows. For example, I have no idea what Digimon Tamers' budget per episode or total budget was. Not even a rough ballpark. But I do know that it has a comparably low budget to something like Ojamajo Doremi or the original Digimon Adventure, from watching all three of those shows.

what episode of K-on is this again?

Why does Sup Forums make so many threads about Kyoani when practically nobody here has seen any of their shit and never will?

>Why does Sup Forums make so many threads about the most popular studio in anime?
You just answered your own question

> lazy hacks
lmao what

The yuribait episode and the trying too hard episode.

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> Koe no Katachi, which was in production for years, has god awful animation non stop for its 2 hour run, surely that's not a time issue?

Uh, what? First it's time = money, now Koe no Katachi has time but sucks because of ... budget issues?

I mean, aside from the fact that it has great animation.

>Koe no Katachi has god awful animation
You are trying too hard, user.

Give him some credit, it's probably really hard to shitpost when legally blind

I see nothing wrong with that webm.

Koe no Katachi sucks because of a lack of talent lol

Not shitposting, the movie looks bad. I think the way it tries to look "natural" is gross and ineffective.

Thats not my point. My point was that things can look bad and still be expensive, like koe no katachi and hibike euphonium, which were examples FOR ME. I'm sure there are examples for you.

>replying to bait
But anyway just to inform anons here. KnK took 5 months from the production contract to screening. Even TLS took longer with 8 months on the project.

It's fun to hate something that's popular, especially if it's popular for a reason. And I also think it has something to do with how frustrated people get when trolls start pulling off that sameface meme.

Why is there a retard moving goalposts like crazy and pushing his conjecture?

Tamako Love Story.
The bridge scene when Tamako falls in the water was and still is pure sex. Best anime scene since Takahatta's Yamada for me.

>8 months
I wonder if it took that long because they had to write a story from scratch, as opposed to an adaptation.

Thanks, I didn't know that. I was being sorta lazy by saying 2 years cuz I think that was how long it was from announcement to release.

>the movie looks bad. I think the way it tries to look "natural" is gross and ineffective.
>things can look bad and still be expensive, like koe no katachi and hibike euphonium, which were examples FOR ME.
Animation quality doesn't have shit to do with your opinion. You're talking about artstyle, not animation.
>Koe no Katachi sucks because of a lack of talent lol
You are clearly not competent to have a conversation about talent in creating animation.

Are you a frames fag lol? I think a work in which the animation is awkward, inhuman, and poorly conveys the emotions of the characters and is occasionally immersion breaking isn't "artstyle" lol. Ill find a cut and analyze it for ya, just gimme a minute.

Regardless of what you think looks good or bad, both Koe no Katachi and Hibike are competently made and a cut above average. And Ihaven't read the reply chain of this discussion but Kyoani budgets for their shows are below average, so I don't get where this "expensive" meme comes from.

>insert photographs
>add filter
>draw characters over said background
>don't let characters interact with background
>don't make them move too much
>add more filters
>Make sure the characters look nice so everyone will start shipfagging, generating traffic for the show
>forget adding story
Kyoto Animation 2011-2017

>lol
>ur right

>lol

>lol

>lmao

You guys know what to do with this shitposter.

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This first shot should be of her whole body, not just her legs. It's inefficient and emotionally disconnects us from the character. I don't give a shit if "muh legs" is Yamada's trademark, it doesn't work here. The blur on the side of the screen is pointless.

The next shot is a loop, awkward hair movement, not much to say.

The next one looks fuckin awful, Nishinomiya or whatever her name is looks photoshopped into a rl background, more weird blurs.

Next one is a super lazy loop, not timed well and I'm not a fan of her expression.

Once again, she looks photoshopped on here, and the way she slows down is unrealistic.

The next few shots aren't neccisarily badly animated, moreso just show off Yamada's amateurishness.

The low angle camera spin to convey confusion is baby tier, and the wide shot of her running and stopping should have cut to a more intimate angle sooner. It does the spinning camera thing twice, I have no idea why.

The last bit is sorta just overanimated and not powerful, not much to say there.

I asked for a source and you didn't give one, just memed. Lol

Your first point is nothing more than a subjective opinion. You could at least try to explain why it is inefficient and emotionally distant.

Actually, now that I'm reading your post, most of your grievances are subjective nitpicks.

You already failed with the first greentext.

Like, I don't want to get into a middle school tier relativity argument, but like, you do know that subjectivity shit is a meme right? Like, you know the fuckin Earth is round. Even though technically, you've never gone into space to see it as round, and you have no proof that your eyes are all knowing and objective, you still know as a fact, that the Earth is round. So, if you watch, idk, The Godfather, and believe that your opinion that its a masterpiece is a fact, then, in your reality, it is. Now, you can see something and believe that your opinion is just an opinion, and is willing to be changed, but sometimes it's not. And to even be a fucking person sometimes you have to believe that something you know to be true is 100% true. It seems like you believe there is an objective standard in which to judge animation, so, explain it to me. And you still haven't linked that source.

You, like can definitely prove the earth is round without going to space, are you, like, an idiot?

Who are you quoting?

Myself
Why?

Jesus, stop with this string of retarded arguments and get out of here

You actually think all that shit? Wow you're fucking retarded

>Kyoani uses filtered photographs

Huh? Did I miss the memo where Kyoani now means SHAFT?

This is the most long winded "i don't like thing" I've seen all day. You have a talent for bullshit

Well yeah, on a rational level, of course you can. It was a metaphor. At this point, there's no point to continuing this. If you want me to, I could explain it again, but if it doesn't make sense to you, I don't think it will, and on my end, I don't think I'll be able to truly understand your beliefs on animation myself.

You really don't understand the purpose of greentext? You use it when replying to a post and you want to highlight different parts of it as quotes. You can't really quote yourself anyway when what you're saying is your initial statement.

Some people use greentext as bullet points.

Some people also beat their kids and snort heroin. Just because someone does something doesn't mean that something's right.

They don't just filter photographs, you dumbass.

KyoAni is so good that people mistake their backgrounds for photos

This, if you say Kyoani backgrounds look like photos it's pretty much a compliment