Was database = isekai ?

Was database = isekai ?

I don't see why not

Isekai slightly before the isekai boom.

it was after sword art online

Sword art online is not Isekai though

So?

I think trapped in an MMO counts

'Trapped in a game' is a subset of isekai.

SAO is the reason isekai is currently popular.
SAO is the reason most isekai stories have a video-game world even if the story doesn't physically take place in a game.
Heck, even non-isekai stories like Danmachi have video-game worlds these days.

>non-isekai stories like Danmachi have video-game worlds these days.

umm you mean fantasy bra Tolkien started it all.

You're literally just making things up. SAO is not considered isekai even if it did spark the video-game world trend.

Trapped in different world with no way of getting back? Yup, pretty much.

It doesn't matter if it's science or fantasy, the 2 are pretty much equivalent in terms end results.

One on side you've got SAO, which has a few similar "sent to another world" type tropes to an isekai but definitely isn't one. On the other side is Kumo, which is definitely an isekai despite people having video game style powers. Somewhere in between is the dividing line between isekai and "trapped in the computer" stuff like Tron.

Where does Log Horizon fall? Well, one of the major themes of LH is "This world is real now and that reality trumps video game mechanics." That says to me that, like Kumo, it's a fantasy world with video game style magic powers. So it's on the isekai side of the line too.

There's just no getting through you is there.

>with no way of getting back

Well there's the problem with your argument.

It's fantasy, sure, but they're using a 'video game'-themed fantasy world that follows the lore that's become standard with RPGs and such.

They're sorta descendant from Tolkien-esque fantasy, but more influenced by DnD and other Japanese table-top games, and the JRPGs they influenced.

>one of the major themes of LH is "This world is real now and that reality trumps video game mechanics."
And one of SAO's major themes is "The virtual has just as much meaning as the real," and that says to me that SAO treats the game world as its own "real" world. Just take a look at Alicization.

Is this the new isekai thread?

Top: OG Tifa
Bottom: AC Tifa

Has anyone ever thought about the fact that when people talk about Log Horizon, they never talk about the strange futuristic things that seemingly stand out in a fantasy world like Elder Tale? Like how there are cars overgrown with plants lying abandon on streets that appear to be from a modern-day setting. ANYONE FIND THAT WIERD???
>See pic related
Those are cars! On a highway overgrown with plants and a skyscraper next to the highway!!!

>ANYONE FIND THAT WIERD
I fucking read YKK so no. You can't prove that those aren't just car shaped plants.

What about the street itself? Street sign? and building to the right in the pic?

Pretty sure the entire setting is something like a Modern World that was suddenly overtaken by magic and shit.

eroded rocks and more plants, quit looking for patterns where there are none.

If we decide to make this the new isekai thread, anyone else reading Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo Dorei Majutsu?

What does everyone think of the edgelord demon worshiping knight that the MC convinced to change her mindset from kill all humans to kill all douchebags?

Actually, a disturbing number of cast members have some form of severe personality quark that gets played straight. The series is basically just an autism blender. I'm not entirely convinced half the plot couldn't be resolved by just sitting down the demon army and asking them if they've ever considered not killing all humans. Cause I don't think they have.

I chuckled.

That's what happens in lvl999 villager

It is by definition isekai. That doesn't mean it's automatically bad, though.

Their world and Elder Tale were merged together in that dimension, which is why the Chinese servers are literally all the way in China geographically.

>chinese servers in china
Isnt that redundant

When you consider that Australian servers are usually in California, no.

>DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!

*strong immunity to creationism detected*

In setting there is race called Alve, that where basically us right now, they did genetic and future tech fuckery and basically made magic and most of the other races a thing, then they killed off for being mad with power. All of the ruins are from the Alve (our) civilization.

Shieeeeeeeet nigga guess this means Jurassic Park was an isekai all along as well as Battle Royale.

The loss in tits is also symbolism for how she basically kills Shiro's boner along with all the Kanamifags who didn't spoil themselves on Sup Forums. It was amusing to see people hyping her up so hard only for her to be completely irrelevant outside of gathering people and having ninja turtle be the hero.

Where's the different world in those?

Where's the different world in SAO? They are all in reality they are just stuck in a certain area.

Why are you clipping my comment? Not to mention Deen's version was one of the worst 2nd season I have watched. Designs, story, character, everything in 2nd season was pure puke.

It's not like the LN was much better. All it did was explain why things happened the way it did like Leonardo being able to one shot the boss. The special snowflake moves was a rather poor design once they got isekai'd, since it surpasses the boundaries of a game so much it turns the setting into X-Men.

For vidya stuff, Overlord and The Amber Sword adhere to their own rule sets much better and deal with exceptions in a more clever fashion. Where in Log Horizon Shiro got away with using his jewish contracts as practically admin power, Ainz couldn't even use his wish ring to save an NPC and wasted a charge thinking along the same lines as Shiro. And well everything in TAS that remotely resembles a plot hole is generally just foreshadowing to the ultimate plot twist.

It doesn't matter that they share the same reality, what matters is that there are two worlds with two very different environments, physics, mechanics, characters, and roles for the protagonist to play.
You can clearly tell the difference between the real world and the videogame world at a glance. On the other hand, you take a look at Jurassic Park and that's just a single fictional world that happens to have resurrected dinosaurs.

Jurassic Park has a vastly different environment from the normals world, where the protagonists are thrust into life and death situations wholly alien to their normal lives.
It's clearly isekai according to your definition.

>what matters is that there are two worlds with two very different environments
Same applies to Jurassic Park and Battle Royale.
>physics, mechanics, characters, and roles for the protagonist to play.
By this logic any sports stadium could become an isekai world, physics is the only one that doesn't fit this criteria (which is self made by you and has zero authority over what constitutes an isekai no matter how much you wanna cry about it) while people can easily become different people 'on stage'. The rules of what they do are completely different and stringent, along with equipment being a possible factor that depending on the sport can render huge and incomparable differences, such as a Nascar stadium where your race car is easily going to be handled much much much different than your Honda Civic going 30 kmph around the block for groceries.
>You can clearly tell the difference between the real world and the videogame world at a glance.
Ah yes, so if an isekai took place in say Rust or some game that literally has real world counter parts like oh I dunno Grand Theft Auto your statement is all of a sudden..invalid? Just because an MC can see vidya game stat windows doesn't mean shit. plenty of stories have that function even in their world, where a guy suddenly gets dating sim windows so he can score chicks if he follows the route, is that an isekai then? He didn't even transport to a different world, but those are clearly 'isekai' mechanics.

Look dumb ass, you don't get to decide what is and isn't isekai, that's the bottom line and even Japan agrees that you're wrong. SAO is never advertised as an isekai and neither was .hack a series that does the same thing ages and ages beforehand, so deal with it your headcanon is wrong and no one cares.

Uhhh, yeah.

>Jurassic Park has a vastly different environment from the normals world
It's literally the real world, what the fuck are you talking about? there are people living in the middle of the jungle and facing life or death situations every single day right now.


>Same applies to Jurassic Park and Battle Royale.
It doesn't. There is only one set of mechanics in those worlds, and there's no alternative.

Any Isekai is also subject to being seen as not isekai if you use retarded mental gymnastics like "well, the characters have never experienced something threatening in their lives, so it's a different world to them!".
For a lot of them you can simply say that the two worlds share the same timeline, or the same universe, or the same multiverse, so that counts as a single world.

>"well, the characters have never experienced something threatening in their lives, so it's a different world to them!".
I bet they think harry potter is isekai

John Carter of Mars is isekai. It's set in the same universe, even the same solar system, but on a different planet.

Have a good night guys

Oh and merry xmas?

>SAO isn't isekai
>異世界 (iseka)
>異: different
>世界: world

Nothing about isekai implies a means of transportation. We've had reincarnation, summoning, going through a passage, etc. Using a computer simulation doesn't change the fact that the setting is primarily a world different to our own.

>b-but their bodies are in the real world
So Garzey's Wing isn't isekai because the guy still has a body in our world?

>Jurrasic Park is isekai!
No. It's just a park in our world. But Jurassic World is isekai.

>For a lot of them you can simply say that the two worlds share the same timeline,
If they also share the same physical space, it's not an isekai, multiple parallel worlds can of course interact with eachother with consistently scaled time to create a shared timeline, but a shared timeline does not in itself mean something isn't an isekai
>or the same universe,
definitely not an isekai
>or the same multiverse,
I'm genuinely not sure you understand how this works, cause 1000% isekai if we're talking separate universes in the same multiverse
>so that counts as a single world.
world for the purposes of isekai simply denotes a single dimension and all affixed pocket dimensions and greater and lesser planes within that dimension

For instance, Mars would not be an isekai. The afterlife would not be an isekai (generally, if you're dealing with a Norse style system then the afterlife being an isekai is 100% up for debate since that's basically a finite multiverse with coequal realms). The past would not be an isekai. Some psychic's mindscape would not be an isekai. A VRMMO would not be an isekai. A magician's pocket dimension where he stores all his extra shit while he's adventuring would not be an isekai. A completely fucking identical world where everything is completely fucking identical to the world the MC came from except a coin landed tails instead of heads one time would be a fucking isekai. Isekai has fuck all to do with how different the world is or the structure of each world involved.

Chinese web novel scene predates Japanese isekai WN by 2 years, so while theh did another world cultivation, JP was still flight mecha magic school girl harems. Why even speak when you know nothing about past trends, Faker?

SAO was a .hack ripoff in the first place

>For instance, Mars would not be an isekai.
A Princess of Mars is definitely isekai.

A Princess of Mars isn't any more isekai than fucking To Love-Ru or Urusei Yatsura are reverse isekai

If you could literally fly from planet A to planet B given enough fuel and time, it is not a fucking isekai

What happened to her breasts?

At the time that the story was written, and within the context of the story itself, it was impossible for Earth people to travel to Mars. You need magical caves to get to Mars and be the Earth uberchad who can trounce all those weakling Martians.

>At the time that the story was written, and within the context of the story itself, it was impossible for Earth people to travel to Mars. You need magical caves to get to Mars and be the Earth uberchad who can trounce all those weakling Martians.
Just cause you went through a magic portal does not mean you went to an isekai. Also, just cause you wouldn't ordinarily be able to go somewhere doesn't mean the 2 locations aren't spatially or temporally linked. You could have gone 5 minutes into the past or to the lost city of Atlantis on the bottom of the ocean, but in either of those scenarios you aren't in a fucking isekai.

The martians in the A Princess of Mars canon eventually develop their tech enough that they can directly observe earth from Mars.

And? It's not important if the Martians can reach Earth.
For an isekai, it's important if the Earth human character, who is representative for the viewer, can go and return to Mars easily or not.

>For an isekai, it's important if the Earth human character, who is representative for the viewer, can go and return to Mars easily or not.
It is completely irrelevant how easy travel is between the worlds.

Gate isn't about being trapped in another world.

Neither is the isekai genre. Keep up, son.

Is not paying your taxes = isekai ?

Everything you said was retarded and I hope you die for it.

Depending on the setting it could be. I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least one isekai about criminals being dumped into a death game in another world including a tax cheat.

Gotta be transported to another world and be stuck there to be isekai.
Outbreak company is a better example. Technically, the protagonist could return to Earth, but he's forbidden from doing so by the Japanese government on the pain of death, who wants to use the protagonist to infect the fantasy world inhabitants with otaku culture.

Is your wife fucking another man in another world NTR ?

How is this even a question?

>Gotta be transported to another world and be stuck there to be isekai.
Or you're retarded.

I'm gonna go with you're retarded.

>kids are stuck for years in Narnia

They aren't stuck. They choose to stay. The doorway to and from Narnia never god damn closes.

Term isekai as a genre was created by nips. And nips consider SAO to be isekai. What else is to discuss there?

It's cultural appropriation. We outsiders know better than the nips about nip things than the nips. They are after all just nips.

Yes. And to those saying it's a game you clearly haven't payed any attention.

That is literally argumentum ad verecundiam. Inventing (naming) a genre doesn't make you the final arbiter of what is and isn't a member of that genre. And if it did, that genre would be fucking worthless because a country's public opinion says fuck all about the content of the work, making classifying works by that genre pointless.

I mean seriously, if isekai meant whatever the fuck Japan wants it to then New York Times best seller might as well be a fucking genre.

If everyone treats it like that, then it should be.
>must be stories written exclusively for the New York Times and must be best sellers at the same time

its stuck in game setting you dumb fuck

Which makes it isekai.

Another "world" can means so many things. The guy who insists that only "different physical universes" count is retarded as fuck.

>9
That's the volume with completely new stuff so you shouldn't know who that is. She did come up in one of the divine punishment chapters, but no real details and the author added a note at the end to buy the novel if you want to know more about her.

Hakoniwa Oukoku no Souzoushu-sama. Translations never, there's 8 chapters so far but the most recent one was 4 months ago.

They weren't just trapped, the game became real.

>bending the rules so it fits your dumb fuck views
isekai shit eaters man i swear

>They weren't just trapped, the game became real.
And the game world they are stuck in also changed.
Suddenly, NPCs have a life and a memory and remember things. Suddenly, dying, which means xp, means losing your real world memories. Suddenly, despite being immortals with god-like abilities, life is unfulfilling, everything tastes like nothing, and there's nothing else to do but mindlessly kill each another or just stay in the safe zones.