This was a bit excessive

This was a bit excessive.

Fancutfags made madoka into a coherent mess. Can't believe people praise vanilla madoka or the movies with how much they cut out

>everybody hates QB until he gets the punishment he deserves

I don't understand people.

QB didn't do anything so wrong as to deserve that

Not excessive enough.

>deceived and used cute girls just to harvest energy to kickstart evolution for generations
>forced one kid to end her own existence just to stop what he was doing

Yeah, it was pretty wrong and our holy gay satan is doing the universe justice by giving him what he deserves. Praise her.

And this is different from humans harvesting cows for their meat, milk and leather how?

>wanting to protect the universe using the most efficient means possible is somehow wrong
>giving humankind all of their technology and language is somehow wrong

>Fancutfags made madoka into a coherent mess.
What the hell are you talking about

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Animals are not sapient.

Bah, he as good as created the usurper. Serves him right.

Googled it already or are you just expecting people to know exactly what part it is you don't understand?

According to human definitions.

Kyubee's definition of sapience may separate to the same degree in the same direction as humans' to the animals'.

There's no guarantee the QB are dong what they do to prevent heat death, with their lying by omission it's highly likely they are using the energy for their own purposes like the Jews they are.

>Thing that kills things surprised it is killed

Really activates those almonds

Nigga, you can't just cherry pick what is and what isn't a lie from them. Considering the entire dialogue is an info dump and forms the basis for everything in the series, disregarding everything said in that scene would make the entire anime meaningless. He had zero reason to lie to Madoka in that scene.

What was Madoka's long-term plan for handling Kyubey attempts to control her?

No, I'm not disregarding it, I'm saying even if they were only using it for their own purposes, everything he said is still true. I said lying by omission, not lying. Leaving out small details can change the entire narrative.

>We haven't figured out a way to actually prolong or prevent the heat death, but we may millions of years from now, and we need energy to ensure we're still working towards that goal.

^It's possible they chose to leave a detail like that out for instance.

Nothing, since she was way smarter than him. She had managed to beat Kyubey in his own game, with his rules, and utterly stacked in his favor, with a 100% success rating. Kyubey had even admitted this was the only attempt as no one else besides Homura had memories of and undergoing witchification.

>Kyubey had even admitted this was the only attempt
He did no such thing.

Again, you can't just cherry pick what he said in the dialogue as what is true and what isn't. The entire scene was an exposition and was to be taken as 100% truthful if the anime is in any way going to make sense. You're saying everything except that one line is the truth, which is stupid.

Weak argument. Sapience has a clearly outlined definition. The simplest explanation is that Kyubey doesn't give a fuck because he's a psychopath.

Pretty sure it was mentioned in the dialogue when Homura discovered the truth of the fake world and confronted him about it. It's not like anyone else actually has memories and connection to Madoka to draw her into a fake universe.

And that, in the end, was his biggest mistake.

I never said he lied, why are you having such a hard time with this?

What "one line" are you talking about? About preventing heat death? I didn't say that was a lie. I'm saying it's possible he left out a detail or two, like he's KNOWN to do.

See - about turning Sayaka back when she was a witch.

>I don't know of any way, but I don't know everything!

When questioned about that later he says

>Of course it's impossible, but I didn't lie.

A clearly outlined definition according to humans. Humans also once said the Sun revolved around the Earth, so clearly humans aren't as infallible as you might think they are.

A lot of things were excessive.

Again, that entire dialogue with Madoka was exposition. There was zero reason to leave anything out as there is no point to. The entire point was to inform the viewers of what the actual fuck was going on. The entire exchange wasn't for Madoka's sake, but for our's.

>implying that this would stop them

The latter. As far as I know, the fancut is just the original season, but with movie footage replacing its equivalent (if it has one) in the anime. I don't see how that changes how much sense the show makes.

Besides "coherent" and "mess" seems a bit like a contradiction.

My point is that he's known to do shit like that to advance their goals, so it's not unthinkable that that the whole "save the universe" thing was, while NOT A LIE, was a ploy.

Pretty sure it would as Madoka had shown up as a mortal, with zero connection to the Law of Cycles. They gathered absolutely zero information about Godoka and wouldn't have any idea how to even detect her anymore.

Again, it was fucking exposition. You had to take the entire dialogue as fact, as the entire anime would not work if it wasn't the absolute truth. He even told Madoka he was treating humanity as cattle. There was no reason to lie or twist the truth anymore. It was done for the sake of pushing ahead with the finale.

A coherent mess is still a mess. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't fancutfags also cut out that awful flash-forward that happens at the beginning of the show?

They knew that an entity unknown to the universe wandered in under the name "Madoka" (The name Homura gave to the loc) that wasn't one of Homuras familiars and who was also strong enough to 1shot them all. Thats pretty damning.
>capture some random meguca and throw her in a soul jail like Homura's
>set up the jail so just anyone could walk in
>see if the pink haired bitch shows up again (if shes really the LoC she'll be compelled to do so)
>???
>profit

Why do you keep implying I'm saying he lied?

I'm not saying he's lying, for the last time, i agree everything he said was factually 100 percent true. Why can't you accept this when it's entirely within the scope of his character? Not to mention stars going supernova far, far before any worry of heat death in the first place. It's entirely possible it's a ploy by a billion year old alien species going from system to system using lifeforms as cattle to farm energy, with the goal of eventually finding a way to prevent the death of the universe.

And they couldn't detect her in any way. They needed to draw her in through Homura, the only person with an actual connection to her. Considering Madoka did not use any of her godlike knowledge or power throughout the movie while they were in the fake universe, Kyubey still doesn't have any idea how to detect her.

And pray tell, what exact detail did he leave out that will so fundamentally change the entire narrative of the story that everything you know is now wrong or that it will have any sort of impact post-anime/movie? What else can they twist that somehow it will add any sort of meaning to the story that was already told?

Fan edits of any media are pure, undiluted autism.
I didn't expect anime fans to fall as low as Star Wars fans.

I think urobuchi said somewhere that the incubators would never stoo trying to control the law of cycles after observing it.

Madoka could just genocide then i guess, but madoka is madoka.

They don't need Homura. Madoka is forced to come and save any girl who's about to become a witch. They only used Homura because their special barrier only let people in who were invited. Barriers can be retooled, they can figure out a way to let someone like Madoka who knocks on the door in.

They're welcome to try. Those ants don't have the power to bind her.

And another thing, at one point doesn't he mention something about "oh well, we've met our quota anyway, on to the next!" or something to that effect?

Even if my "what if" was true, it doesn't mean he lied. Their goal is still to prevent the heat death of the universe, using lifeforms as cattle, no? that would still be true. What do you mean "what detail"? Re read this.

>It's entirely possible it's a ploy by a billion year old alien species going from system to system using lifeforms as cattle to farm energy, with the goal of eventually finding a way to prevent the death of the universe.

Again, like I said, even with that ^ everything he said about saving the universe would still be true.

And they will fail. I mean, you're not getting it. They have zero idea how to detect her. How the hell are they suddenly going to find a way if they don't even know if they succeeding or not in their attempts? Nevermind the fact that Madoka has shown she was smarter than the entire collective Incubator race combined when she won against them in their game, in their house, using their rules, with all of the handicaps and with all of them watching.

How is it a ploy when they outright state this is what they are doing? I don't even understand what point you're trying to make any more.

>"How would they detect her????????"
>the pink one shows up out of nowhere, touches the girl, and then suddenly no more witch and the whole place collapses

They can't even detect her in the first place. How the hell are they suddenly going to see the pink one out of nowhere?

Fine, angle, if that's a better term. My point is that while the "it's for saving the universe!" is true, it's such a far off goal, even for them, it's probable their more immediate concerns and motifs are their own supply of energy.

TL;DR homura did nothing wrong QB are Jews

What the fuck are you even talking about anymore, are you dumb? Madoka appears in their funny world as a normal girl because she doesn't want to reveal her God powers to them.

That's the point I was making. Normal Madoka had shown up, but they're not trying to detect a normal girl, they're trying to detect the Godoka that has nigh unlimited energy, to which they failed. They have zero way of detecting her nor have any idea on how to.

But now they know from Homuras example that if a normal pink haired girl shows up in literally any other test field, there's a 99% chance that this is the LOC that they're looking for. The correlation has been made.

>kyubey makes meguca suffer for reasons they don't understand
>homura makes kyubey suffer for reasons it doesn't understand
It rhymes. If it makes you feel any better, it's questionable whether they even feel pain. They're completely incapable of relating to human emotion after all.

And she can't be brought into any other test field since Homura is the only one with any memories and connection to Madoka. She is also the only one going through witchifcation in the new world as she is a remnant of the old universe.

>And she can't be brought into any other test field since Homura is the only one with any memories and connection to Madoka. She is also the only one going through witchifcation in the new world as she is a remnant of the old universe.
Bullshit. The QBs dont need Homura to force Madoka to come to them. She'll come of her own accord to any arbitrary test girl they can find. Oh, your weird barrier shit wouldn't let her in because it's currently invite-only? Well redo the barrier to fix that. This isn't hard.
>b-but she was the only one about to become a witch
So pick literally any of the thousands of girls around the world who were close to breaking and use them instead. Jesus, this isn't hard.

Doesn't Madoka's Law of Cycles stop girls from turning into witches? If the Law wasn't there girls would still witch out right?

user, there are no witches in the new universe. All you have are wraiths. Magical girls don't become witches anymore, so how are they going to break and becomes witches?

Heck if I know, I watched the Meguca release.

She was too soft on them

Because they already did this exact fucking thing before. Find a girl who's really really sad and snap her gem up in bullshit before it turns all the way black, and just fucking wait. Are you being ironic right now?

Yes

Describes the whole show.

Why do people like the lying, thieving murderer that is Kyoko?

Right, just show me a case where this actually happened in the new universe other than Homura. I'll wait.

Literally Sayaka, who blew her gems power on a giga drill breaker, and then who Madoka swept away before the resultant corruption could turn her into Octavia. You know, or any of the girls in the montage in Episode 12. Go rewatch the show before posting again.

So why didnt Homura just kill him as soon as she got to another timeline?

She tried her best. For every body she kills they have 20 more

Meguca release

Madoka is a masterpiece

The rabbit did nothing wrong!

Utilitarians all deserve the axe.

How does Madoka keep her meguca entertained in heaven? What's there to do all day?

sex parties

Ok but so what are the straight magical girls supposed to do?

There's no way you can defend this slimy faggot. While the core of what he's saying is truthful, he'll either dodge the question or the real truth or stretch it while still being able to claim he's not a liar. He outright admitted to manipulating Kyouko for his master plan to get Madoka to contract, he did it in pic related, and he did it when he infodumped to Madoka to try and get her to contract.

tic tac toe

But how do I get him to contract Me? Gib mahou pls

>straight magical girls

Did we watch the same show?

Yes we did you silly yurifriend.

>>wanting to protect the universe using the most efficient means possible is somehow wrong
They had been given a compromise solution by Madoka, having a way to harvest energy without anyone turning into Witches. But QB didn't just want energy to save the universe; they want energy power their civilization. That means the more the better.

Their greed for more, cause them to lose their gifted compromise, and lost everything they had. They were burned by the cosmic horror they themselves created. One thing that Lovecraft pointed out, is that cosmic horrors are not invulnerable, and that one horror can be victims of a different horror.

Mami was straight, don't let the pedos pretend otherwise

>It rhymes. If it makes you feel any better, it's questionable whether they even feel pain. They're completely incapable of relating to human emotion after all.
Actually, they stated that their species consider emotions a disease. So they know what emotions are, they just suppress them. So what Homura does, giving them emotions of despair, is likely extreme torture to the QB race.

And they deserved every bit of it.