It's been over two years and I've still not seen a single valid criticism against this FSN adaption that I can't immediately dismiss as coming from a lack of understanding.
Camden Foster
Fate doesn't have even remotely well written characters. And 40 hour explanations on how magic "works" consistent of 30 hour recaps isn't my thing either. Now you throw piss poor production values in the mix and you have yourself the Fate fanbase
James Sanchez
Fate is basically Marvel. The reason the anime medium is struggling is that it lacks a DC.
Austin Long
Agree wholeheartedly except there's an aesthetic type moon has which stuff like Marvel lacks.
Brandon Robinson
Fate is shit as a whole.
Robert Robinson
How many times have you made this exact same post
Logan Robinson
>Be Mordred >want your daddy to love you and hate how your daddy is suffering because they chose the path of king >want to be king to let your daddy be free and be happy >daddy thinks you dont have what it takes >throw an autistic rage and destroy his kingdom and lose a duel to the death with him
Was Mordred autistic?
Xavier Hughes
Mordred was just a brat who didn't get what it meant to be a king.
William Hernandez
UBW just isnt that great in general, but that is what happens when you do a multiple arc based system. Shirou vs Gil will always be dumb as fuck
the perfect arc would be one where it combines the best elements from all parts while keeping the basic structure of the Fate route
Shirou vs Kotomine Saber vs Gil Gil vs Berserker Shirou and Emiya ideology arguments Fall of the Matuo family Sakura and Rin solving their issues No romance
You can't expect a whole lot out of a waifu porn game
Ayden Parker
Give your best bait
Hudson Perez
Rin is best girl
Gabriel Ward
Because the whole route was seen from the POV of Shirou and his constant internal monologues. The action of the anime is entirely seen from a third person view, meaning that we'll just watch this ginger idiot acting like your generic shonen protag, unable to understand his psychology and real motives.
This is why it's full of idiots thinking that Sieg and Shirou are even remotely comparable.
Jace Campbell
Ironic. Considering Arturia didn't either.
Carter Moore
Wormslut is best girl.
Michael Baker
Artoria is best girl.
Andrew Campbell
Fate/Zero is the only Fateshit worth reading and/or watching.
Easton Nguyen
I actually agree
Kevin Morgan
It's the only one with proper resolution for all it's characters
Daniel White
>t. DEEN
Nathaniel Cox
Kiritsugu is manchild. F/SN kids are smarter than F/Z adults
Jack Reed
Other than the writing being fairly lazy (applies to all Fate adaptations though)
One question though, are we supposed to understand that Shirou is just batshit insane? Or were we supposed to root for him to defeat Archer for his ideals or some bullshit?
Kayden Phillips
Only if you're a normalfaggot and didn't read the VN instead for delicious Tohsaka butt sex and the equally delicious narration of said butt sex scene.
Nathan Carter
Apocrypha was better.
Alexander Allen
Red = Purple = Saber
Juan Morales
Fate Zero is the worst entry of the franchise because it's the pinnacle of TM's medium had produced that the rest of the franchise are lackluster and misleading. Fate/SN UBW doesn't live to it's hyped as a sequel, It's main theme couldn't saved the show from characters who pretended to be idealistic yet in the end of the day theyre all bunch of teenagers. On the other hand Fate/Z alternate timeline, Fate/Apoc was more enjoyable from the previous series. Bunch of servants waging war outside Japan. It's almost perfect however an irrelevant character was pushed out into the spotlight and was given to be the main character. Tho it's main character was less annoying than the f/sn.
Benjamin Moore
Fate Zero was good because it actually met the expectations of what a Fate series should be: legendary heroes teaming up with mages and fighting.
UBW was shit because it didn't have that: it focussed too much on relationships between Shirou and Rin/Saber and in the end turned into a stupid good vs. evil battle.
Mason Ward
This post is so full of retarded ideas, spelling, and grammar I can't tell if it's bait or just typical bullshit from someone who doesn't like Zero
Jacob Reyes
>Other than the writing being fairly lazy (applies to all Fate adaptations though)
Explain?
Nicholas Morris
>expectations of what a Fate series should be Wouldn't the expectations of what a Fate series should be have been set in FSN in the first place?
Parker Nelson
The animation gives a massive boner, so I don't care about anything else.
Tyler Jones
Sieg was actually modelled from Shirou without his ideals and most of his teenage puberty like trait. So It's not possible to compare them
Christopher Reed
I guess if you're judging from the first in the series, yes. If you read an abstract of what Fate is about however, the main attraction is the Holy Grail War and the heroes summoned.
Ryan Williams
What about Shirou being a hero for Kiritsugu, Zouken torturing Sakura, and Saber killing Gil?
Jayden Lopez
>discussing nu-fate
Ethan Garcia
People who get introduced to the series aren't told "hey, this is going to be about the psychological issues of an autist who wants to be a superhero", but "hey, this has mages who summon mythological figures to fight each other".
It's really the fanbase itself that sets the expectations of what Fate should be.
Logan Reed
Fate was never about the Servants.
Parker Powell
>nu-fate Fun fact, the first volume of Apocrypha was published five years ago today.
Brody Wood
>people actually fall for the bait even though it's explicitly bait
John Kelly
Sounds like a problem on your end
Dominic Young
Back when /fate/ on wakachan and Sup Forums would discuss Apocrypha, CCC, Mahoyo and Fate/Zero.
Adam Miller
Fate >"hey, this has mages who summon mythological figures to fight each other". UBW & HF >"hey, this is going to be about the psychological issues of an autist who wants to be a superhero"
Benjamin Torres
Why not both?
Jace Fisher
If you're underage, you root for him. Mature readers understand he's full of bullshit and root for his HF self instead.
Matthew Clark
In the interest of not creating a gigantic blog post I think I'll just leave it at that events just unfold because it's convenient to advance the plot.
Kirei is written to be a pretty mischievous guy who does some pretty bad stuff, he's always up to something and has shit up his ass. In UBW however he hardly does shit and somehow gets killed by Lancer in the saddest way possible. Would it have been that much harder to write something a little more interesting than that given the kind of person Kirei was? that would've taken longer to write
I seriously thought I was being fucked with at that point.
Carter Morris
Can I just say that "nu-X" memes are becoming cancer. Not just on Sup Forums, all boards. Especially because a lot of people still remember "nu-metal" with a great cringey "fuck I wish I never remembered that". It's weak memery for newfaggots.
Benjamin Moore
>replied to bait with ironic post >look you're trolololed!
William King
>Fate was never about the servants >People literally spending hundreds of dollars on gatcha shit to get servants in christmas outfits and bikinis
Thomas Fisher
I feel as though those are mutually exclusive
If my future self came into my house and proved indeed who he was and told me if I kept going down the path I was going and I was going to hurt a lot of people for nothing in the process, I feel as though only an insane person would begin to fight against that without reason
Dylan Clark
>Hipsters self-righteously believe he's full of bullshit and root for his HF self instead.
Fixed that for you.
Charles Thomas
Fate was never about masters summoning servants for a battle for the holy grail.
Chase Martinez
Except Emiya saved a lot of people? He died without regrets. His anger comes from being a Counter Guardian, eternally doomed to kill people forever.
Jonathan Diaz
>Random scenes with no dialog that you only get if you read the VN
Andrew Lewis
HF is the true ending, though.
Hunter Robinson
Exactrly. Shirou isn't going to become a Counter Guardian. AKA he learned from his future self mistakes.
Benjamin Gutierrez
I meant that a lot of people think that Shirou is just as shit and dull as Siegshit. Which is retarded.
Did you know that UBW is no the entirety of F/SN and other routes exist, right? Kirei has a way bigger role in the other two routes, that's why in UBW he gets overshadowed by other characters.
Parker Turner
It's the true ending in that it the end. The actual end. No more routes. It was the final unlockable route and therefore if you get the True Ending, you got everything.
Andrew Torres
Did you play Fate/stay night or only watch the anime? The game has three stories and each focus on different characters.
Fate route is Saber, Rin, Shinji, Rider, Illya, Kotomine and Gil.
UBW route is Saber, Rin, Archer, Caster, Kuzuki, Assassin and Gil.
HF route is Saber, Rin, Sakura, Shinji, Rider, Zouken, True Assassin, Kotomine, and Illya.
Fate/Zero is the prequel that provides backstory for all three. Saber, Gil and Iskander's story for Fate route and everyone else for HF.
Charles White
They are both just autists.
>A: Hey dude, you go on saving people, just don't become a Counter Guardian. >S: Why not? >A: You'll kill more innocent people than you'll save. >S: ok
That wasn't so hard, now was it?
Asher Gray
I'm aware he plays different roles in different routes I just cherrypicked part of the story I felt was lazily written.
I didn't say it was bad or not entertaining there were just points where the writing was kinda phoned in.
Christopher Lopez
I thought he defeated archer full well knowing that fate awaited him?
see get it? FATE/stay night
Justin Morris
Well in Emiya's case, whether Shirou becomes a Counter Guardian or not is irrelevant. He's a Counter Guardian forever. He claims that he was hoping that killing his past self would cause enough of a paradox to erase himself form the Throne of Heroes, but he also knew that this had an extremely small chance of happening. He really just wanted to vent.
The one thing he didn't count on was Shirou actually convincing him that he's the one who's wrong here.
Justin Hernandez
Redman is an manchild throwing a fit because his afterlife sucked, cut him some slack
Justin Miller
That's because Caster, Archer and Gil were the main antagonists for UBW.
Go play Fate or HF if you want Kotomine (and/or Zouken) as the final boss. It seems to be what you are after.
Parker Hill
Didn't he become a Counter Guardian because he was so upset with the fact that killing people for the greater good wasn't working out so great for him in the first place?
Isaiah Lewis
user, becoming a Counter Guardian is a conscious decision. You can't become a Guardian without agreeing to it beforehand. He won't become a Guardian here.
Noah Roberts
>this thread right now We have winner.
Jeremiah Walker
Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai are DC Fate is Marvel
Parker Parker
Who was better, Archer in UBW or Kotomine in HF?
Ethan Scott
Tsukihime is Marvel too. Tsukihime was mainstream in 2000.
Ian Wilson
No. He became a Counter Guardian when he was trying to stop a nuclear reactor from going nuclear. He expended everything he had in order to get that far, but once he reached the core, he realized that there was nothing he could do to stop the ensuing fallout. It was at that point that the world, believing Shirou would be an ideal Guardian, asked him if he wanted to make a deal. In exchange for the power to save everyone at that moment, he would give up his eternal afterlife to being the world's Guardian. He said yes. At the time, he believed that it wasn't a bad deal; he'd get to save everyone now, and then he'd get to keep saving people forever after he died. But reality wasn't so kind; a Counter Guardian is nothing more than a glorified janitor. A mindless slave who shows up after the shit's already hit the fan and has to clean things up, usually by killing everyone in the vicinity. He kills, and kills, and kills, and kills. Forever, for eternity, with absolutely no way out.
Aiden Lee
If that's the case why was Archer so hellbent of stopping Shirou?
Kevin Cox
I take that over 3 routes of shitty battle royale that was already covered in one route. And even so UBW and HF have plenty of action.
Leo Bell
He was hedging all his bets on the possibility that maybe, just maybe, if he killed his past self, the ensuing paradox would be enough to erase himself from the Throne of Heroes. However, he also admits that there's an infinitely small chance of this happening.
Basically, he's venting his frustrations.
Jack Powell
All of Nasuverse is Marvel. I await the day anime gets its version of Infinity War.
Bentley Gomez
Fate GO is type moon's infinity war DC is mainstream too
Sebastian Baker
This is right. Only DDD is outside of popularity.
Gavin Green
When did you get tired of the grail wars?
Henry Long
This makes no sense
Joshua Bailey
objectively true
it's because it has actual characters instead of an array of the worst anime stereotypes (autism MC worst of all) doing retarded shit for 24 episodes
Grayson Cruz
>Fate GO is type moon's infinity war
But the anime barely gets any buzz.
Adam Hill
We need a 2 hour movie of FSN and Tsukihime characters teaming up to fight the big bad.
Who would it be?
Eli Ortiz
Just wait for the inevitable adaptation after Extra
Jaxson Campbell
DDD isn't really a normal TYPE-MOON product. It's not really mainstream, got no real advertisement, and it was really just something that Nasu did because he felt like it.
Grayson Hall
ORT/Types, True Demons, Amaterasu
Jaxon Thompson
...okay so that means that Shirou WON'T make the conscious decision to become Archer in this new timeline? If the issue was continuity of events wouldn't it suffice to alter Shirou's perception of right and wrong? The vibe I was getting is that Shirou was [FATED] to end up as a mindless killing machine through his ideals
Jaxon Diaz
Give me Nasuverse's Civil War so we can finally see if Shiki can kill servants
Adrian Russell
>it's because it has actual characters instead of an array of the worst anime stereotypes (autism MC worst of all) doing retarded shit for 24 episodes
Play Heaven's Feel route
Eli Perry
Fair enough that makes things clearer
Wyatt Anderson
>people think that Shirou is just as shit and dull as Siegshit. Prove it wrong.
Camden Wright
The actual answer is that UBW Shiro won't likely become Archer because he has Rin to keep him in check. Even if he still upholds his ideals.
Parker Nelson
>we can finally see if Shiki can kill servants This question was answered six years ago
Ryan Cruz
how was the first movie?
Matthew Jackson
why didn't they fugg in the show?
Jace Reed
You can't show lewd things on tv!
Connor Jackson
Shirou doesn't become Archer in any of the routes.
In Fate, after convincing Saber that it's wrong for her to sacrifice her afterlife to redo the selection of the king, it'd be a massive hypocrisy for him to do the exact same thing. In Unlimited Blade Works, he has Rin by his side to stop him from doing anything retarded. In Heaven's Feel, he doesn't become a seigi no mikata so it's moot, though if anything were to happen to Sakura, it's still possible.
All these Shirous have something that Archer didn't: someone to support them. Archer was alone. He apparently had a lover, but she didn't really understand him so things didn't work out for him. Everyone he came to meet and trust ended up betraying him.
Nathaniel Sanders
If before Emiya got his memories back the only person he could remember was Saber, why didnt UBW dive more into that.
Obviously it implies Saber is the most important person to Emiya, and I don't mean in a romance sense. More of a Alexander and Waver sense
Robert Allen
Emiya remembered everything by morning. He just lied and said he still didn't remember.
Levi Williams
The point still stands, even in his timeline he had been summoned so much as a guardian over hundreds of years and conflicts that he forgot about everyone besides Saber
Tyler Harris
Digits speak the truth.
Robert Russell
Well that kinda makes Archer a little selfish. I mean you have this guy banging these hot girls living a life where he's not going to become an asshole and Archer wants to waste him on the off chance he gets to die himself?