>Born into the ascendant and prosperous kingdom of Macedonia in an age where the Greek City-States and the Persian Empire already half dead >Groomed from childhood by the greatest scholars and philosophers of the age with servants to attend to his every need >Takes his well equipped and professionally trained army and basically runs over all a bunch of vestigial empires that can't even fight back >Too stupid and lazy to actually bother with the much more difficult task of ruling his empire, so just appoints more competent governors while he screws around with Persian whores and fuccbois >Decides he wants to conquer more shit, but runs smack into a powerful Indian empire and gets fucked in the first battle >His men finally get tired of his bullshit and tells him to fuck off when he tries to keep going >May or may not have been assassinated after his men unilaterally decide they want off his stupid ride >All the nobles and governors just shrug their shoulders and carve up his paper empire along lines of influence that he never even bothered to check up on
Tell me again why this idiot got to lecture Saber on being a good king? Artoria was basically putting out fires her entire reign was Iskander was just riding the success of his father and taking advantage of ruling during a time when his empire was on the ascent and everyone else was declining.
>Tell me again why this idiot got to lecture Saber on being a good king? Because everyone wants reasons for /Zero being better than F/SN even it it means tossing away logic and embracing poorly written scenes.
Joseph Richardson
It’s because he was fortunate enough to take best king when she’s most emotionally vulnerable, not anything to do with his manchild methods.
Julian Bennett
how would have Zero played out if Gawain was there to support Artoria?
Thomas Nguyen
>when Sup Forums goes /his/ King Arthur is based much more in fiction than Alexander the Great and many tales attributed to him are more likely a combination of early anglo-saxon and brittanic kings. Saber's basis barely even exists in the first place.
Joshua Cook
> Sup Forums goes /his/ this thread needs way, WAY more pregnant Anna Frank posting to get anywhere near /his/ level
Cooper Watson
Why no matter of France Servants Sup Forums? I want Lancer Roland and Ganelon
Robert Ross
Well, from the point of history he did the greatest feats but it all fell apart after his death. And you never know how things will go after your death. For instance, take Knut the Great, he did what he could to stabilize conquered England and his own Denmark as two economically strong lands with decent military might and he did bloody good job, but after his death the golden age of Vikings slowly ended. You might do well in securing stability or you might just say fuck it and not care and it might end up the same.
Elijah King
Lmao you again Sabercuck? No matter what but after dying you and conquering half of the known world at least Iskandar's home nation survived. King Cuckthur's greatest feat was losing everything to a bunch of smelly barbarians. Fuck off now.
William Russell
I doubt Iskander would have been able to out trash talk Gawain.
Ethan Kelly
Roland eventually, Charlemagne already confirmed dumb male master clone with racing stripe hair
Aiden Diaz
Butcher wrote Iskndar without any regard to the actual historical figure and then tried to connect his character to the real one, which is why his character makes little sense.
Anthony Smith
Roland's design was already revealed tho.
Brody Taylor
>hack describes Saber as "the ideal king" while she acts like a moeblob when on screen >a better writer attempts to deconstruct this by pointing out how a saintlike martyr doesn't inspire people the same way a classical hero with all his exaggerated human features can >hack dickriders get mad at this because Saber is canonically an ideal king because the hack said "she was an ideal king"
Cooper Nguyen
What's a guy from your country you would like to see as a servant?
Robert Nelson
Uro likes Bara men.
Noah Butler
Because he knew he was a shitty king, he knew that he made mistakes and fucked things up but he decided to accept this fact and move on. Saber however didn't. She was a shitty king and fucked up but instead of accepting it and moving on she wanted the Holy Grail to fix her previous mistakes.
Adrian Gomez
Well if I had to sentence someone to eternal servitude I'd choose myself. And I'd do it with her.
Aaron Wood
>he thinks saber bullying wasn't a prerequisite for Nasu allowing butcher to write Zero in the first place Nasu is a cuck amongst cucks whose cheese-weak waifu is the bitchiest, most slovenly whorish of all TM characters
Justin Thomas
Robert E Lee
Aiden Taylor
>deconstruct this by pointing out how a saintlike martyr doesn't inspire people the same way a classical hero with all his exaggerated human features can
Christopher Roberts
aren't there like 4 or 5 people historians like to say are the historical inspiration of king arthur
Juan Ross
What does Sup Forums wanna bet is more likely if they add Napoleon, he'll be super short or super tall
Dominic King
okay we didn’t need two threads within the span of like a day on this guy
most faggots here don’t have a normal relationship with their father because they’re pathetic weebs and this guy is a great placeholder for that affection
his death was easily also one of the most pathetic ones, unitinically thinking he was going to even slow down Gil is either hilarious or just sad
Angel Morris
Although he’s a shithead Donald Trump would make a great Caster IMO
Easton Bell
>conquering half of the known world sacking a bunch of cities then moving on and never coming back isn't conquering, if so than is not even a tenth as good of a conqueror as the mongols.
Plus Iskandar was poisoned by his generals and his empire fell apart 9 years after his death
Jonathan Bell
Your daughter hater is no match for Tomaru.
Nathaniel Butler
This is actually good bait. Surprised no one took it yet.
Wyatt Morales
What is he like the more version of Josef Fritzl?
Logan Sanchez
>a better writer attempts to deconstruct this by pointing out how a saintlike martyr doesn't inspire people the same way a classical hero with all his exaggerated human features can
this is blatantly false.
Colton Hernandez
Gott mitt Uns intensifies.
Josiah Baker
Einstein Arminius (he's german reeeeeee)
Our mythical heroes all kind of suck though. I can't even think of one other than Sigurd/Siegfried right now and we share that one with the Nordic countries. Maybe the Pied Piper of Hamelin? A lot of the iconic fairy tales originate from here, but I don't know which ones would make for good servants.
Isaiah Nelson
Alexander is a guy who was born on third base with a top-notch professional team paid for by his rich daddy and coached by a team of the best in the world. His opponents were a bunch of washed-up retirees more interested in either fighting each other or just ending the game as quickly as possible so they can get their checks.
Artoria is a nobody amateur who saw that her team was getting wrecked by everybody and decided to step up when everybody else was more interested in arguing with each other than winning the game. Her egotistical teammates hated her and she has to fight a literal war on two fronts at all time just to keep her team from disintegrating.
At the end of the day, they both failed. Alexander, however, failed because his team instantly crumbled at the first sign of organized resistance from another team and nobody was actually truly loyal to him. It's easy to follow an idiot king when everything is going well, but the true test is when things don't and Alexander completely failed when faced with an actual challenge he couldn't just bulldoze with brute strength.
Jackson Jones
It’s called loving your family and properly treating your daughters.
Gabriel Edwards
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Christian Morales
Did someone call for a better conqueror?
Evan Sullivan
>Arminius (he's german reeeeeee) Isn't he "german" though? He was the leader of the saxon tribe, a germanic tribe which is a part of germany nowadays.
Joseph Watson
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Mason Gonzalez
Rider obviously
Elijah Davis
Gilgamesh (Caster) is canonically the best king/leader in the Nasuverse.
Justin Walker
Reminder that Caster Gilgamesh is the actual version of the ideal King. Archer Gilgamesh is a fucking idiot and Caster Gil would have hated him if they met.
There's a reason Archer Gil likes Iskander and its not because he's a good king.
I guarantee you that stupid banquet scene would have turned out much more different if Caster Gil was there. He would called Iskander out on his bullshit and been much more sympathetic to the difficult position Artoria was in.
Jayden Reyes
Gilgamesh is cute. I want to do lewd and unutterable things to his body.
Justin Cruz
>Archer Gilgamesh is a fucking idiot and Caster Gil would have hated him if they met. Why wouldn't they be the same person with different powers? Does choosing a different weapon change your personality entirely? This is forgoing the fact that Gil only gets a new class because he's popular and Grand Order is a shitty cash grab mobile game that should be ignored.
Eli Moore
Go away, Ishtar. He already rejected you plenty of times.
Cooper Diaz
Gilgamesh Archer was summoned just after he lost the immortality thing to the snake, that's why he acts like a douche. Caster is summoned later on his life, after he becomes the wise king of Uruk. Read his epic.
Jordan Fisher
Depends. If his summoning occurs in England, definitly short, with Berserker class.
If it occurs in France, he'll be tall. And you probably insta-win the war. Or he'll be a Ruler class.
Brayden Russell
Servants summoned in different vessels sometimes correspond to different periods of their lives, like Saber Gilles is not child-murdering asshole yet, even though he knows about the atrocities he has commited.
Easton Diaz
If Saber had anything to say back, she would have. But she didn't, and as a result Saberfags are still mad years later.
>King of Sociopathic Manchildren >ideal anything Hmm.
Jace Carter
>this thing that was written by Nasu himself should be ignored because I don't like it It's okay to be angry at things user, just don't think this will make them disappear.
Michael Bell
Go read Babylonia right now.
Justin Richardson
You know King Arthur is a girl right? You know King Arthur is fictional in the first place right? The fate series isn't historically accurate.
Henry Evans
The fact that you read FSN first doesn't change that Fate/Zero is objectively better in every possible way.
Cameron Ortiz
ned kelly as the GOAT gunner
Jack Rivera
The state of fatefags...
Fate Sup Forumsutists mistaking weeb-fiction for reality, then fusing their botched understanding of historical facts into the mix. Some of the crap you people have written is mind-bogglingly moronic.
Holly shit I hate this fanbase so damn hard; you people are on par with nintentards.
Ian Powell
>projections of a secondary How does it feel that every theme in Zero is an inferior re-tread of themes brought up in SN?
Ryan Hill
What do you expect from a seething Sabercuck? The guy is so mad about his shitty 2D waifu being shat on that he needs to shit on one of the greatest conquerors in history comparing him to a mythological character with a magic sword.
Fuck off Sup Forumsermin
Brayden James
Dude, FSN is just a waifu simulator, it even has porn scenes. The "themes" are just some random bullshit in between that Nasu didnt even understand.
Liam Watson
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Cooper Cook
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Oliver Sullivan
Stop wasting my oxygen you uneducated mongoloids. Can't you all weebneets crawl into your wholes and die?
Landon Gonzalez
You’re trying way too hard.
Eli Turner
Then go back to your shithole you filthy parasyte instead of infecting the other boards.
Austin Collins
What's the difference between FSN Gil, FZ Gil, CCC Gil, and Caster Gil?
Aaron Young
You realize that FZ is mostly backstory for FSN, right?
Christian Taylor
Sociopathic manchild asshole became a favorite among fangirls because he's a "bishie" (no surprise there), so they gave him alternate versions.
Connor Jackson
FSN Gil wants to kill all the mongrels. FZ Gil wants to watch the mongrels. CCC Gil wants to protect a mongrel. Caster Gil wants to protect even more mongrels.
Jackson Garcia
Fate Stay Night Gil is slightly insane because of the holy grail (it was only 1/3rd powerful enough to actually corrupt him), FZ Gil is just his standard incarnation as an Archer, while Caster Gil is him during the later years of his 126 year reign when he was wiser
Logan Sanders
french version would still make the mistake of invading Russia during winter
Brody Gonzalez
>this meme he invaded in the summer user it was his mistake to be born right before an Ice age
Noah Bell
Christ alive, what the fuck is this?
Owen Fisher
What class would he be? Obviously he would weild his Hammer, but Berserker just doesn't seem to suit him
Wyatt Baker
Caster Gil is Gil after he became older,wiser and more experienced.
Archer Gil is prime Gil who is embittered about losing Enkidu and immortality.
Brandon Murphy
Rider because he was associated with railroads.
Jackson Morris
His NP would be his lasso.
Based on feats alone, he would be pretty unstoppable. If he had a more streight forward weapon I would say Berserker but, with a rope I don't think that would fit
Connor Diaz
Obviously he'd be a rider and his NP would be him riding a twister into battle to fuck folks up
Kevin Brown
the one annoying thing about saber for me is that she is almost the exact opposite of how Arthur is in legends
Depending on the version, Lancelot's affair is either first discovered by Arthur but in his anguish in having to choose either ruling his kingdom proper or the life of his wife and best knight keeps it a secret until the other members of the table find out and force his hand. Or in other version its is the knights of the round table who expose Lancelot and Arthur filled with rage immediately banishes him and sentences Guinevere to death without any council. Either way both versions end up splitting to round table
And then there is Mordred which unlike the fate version Arthur knew he had a bastard son, hell Merlin even prophesied that if Arthur does not kill the infant now, it will bring the downfall of Camelot. Which Arthur fails to do and instead sends him far away in the hopes that the infant will never know their lineage, which fails.
Luke Hernandez
Bismarck or Hitler
Carson Peterson
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Cameron Baker
its him from different points of his epic
in his myth Gilgamesh goes from a terrible asshole of a king to a wise ruler through encoutering enkidu, enkidu's death and his subsequent quest for immortality
Ko-Gil is Gil before he became a dick, proto Gil is him before enkidu dies (headcannon), Archer Gil is Gil past Enkidu's death but before the conclusion of his quest and caster Gil/ccc Gil is his penultimate form as the wise king
Angel Parker
I though it was because the Russians used the scorched earth tacit to such an extreme they even burned most of Moscow down while Napoleon was occupying it so by the time he turned back due to lack of supplies, it was already mid October and because the Russians decided to hector their retreat they didn't get home till late december
Evan Wood
I feel like a lot of people shit talking Alexander (the real historical figure) haven't ever read a whole book about him.
Dominic Robinson
yes, basically the russians scorched earth'd massive swathes of their country and moscow, so when napoleon effortlessly took the capital he gained nothing then, because of the little ice age, his armee struggled to get back and were raided to death by the russians
Nolan Evans
Dose fate Gil have any thoughts about his son, I've seen some people say that Gilgamesh in the old stories say that he never really taught Ur-Nungal how to rule after he died
Julian Sanchez
Diogenes Servant when?
Nathan Miller
wasn't the little ice age already a common known thing in his time after all didn't the height last between the 1600-1800s
Jaxson Johnson
it had its ups and downs in terms of temperature, the last drop before it ended was roughly in the napoleonic times the point being if he tried it today the outcome would be quite different
Adam Thomas
His NP is public defecation.
Jack Bell
This guy, He works as both archer and berserker.
Adam Wilson
This 100%.
Angel Nelson
This 100%.
Christian Hughes
would probably have to be a ruler (or a very high charisma) if this event has any truth to it youtube.com/watch?v=ffeOvwBYkf4
Elijah Williams
Ruler is for someone who enforces rules, not for actual rulers. He probably desires something from the grail, so he can't be one. Leaders/kings are usually placed as Riders.
Mason Clark
muh fellow swede.
Christian Smith
Black Paul Bunyan
Samuel Gutierrez
Sorry I forgot the pic, just change the axe for a hammer
Ryan Morgan
This but unironically.
Charles Davis
Ceasar, DaVinci, Romulus, Augustus, etc.
Ideally in a more serious part of the franchise like Zero or SF so they aren't just another waifu to squeeze money out of whales.
Oliver Evans
What would be his mount ? Marengo ? (pic related)
Actually, he fits more an Archer class with something related to artillery as his NP.
Jaxon Roberts
Caesars some fat guy DaVinci is a chick (in a way) and Romulus is a Sup Forums reference
Augustus hasn't shown up but they might do something with him due to the little fact that unlike Ceasar and Marc Anthony he didn't want to fuck Cleopatra