Dragon Ball Super

What makes the Dragon Ball Super anime better than the manga?

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The manga has antagonists that can barely be called a threat
> Hit was weak as fuck, and boring considering his fight was the climax of the Champa arc
> Black jobbed more than actually being a threat
> Fusion Zamasu was weak as the final form of the Future Trunks arc. It got to the point where Vegeta alone, without fusion, killed TWO Fusion Zamasu's with one blast.

Black's personality is boring in the manga
> Generic evil guy vs flamboyant smuglord

Manga = The Goku & Vegeta Show
> They downplayed Piccolo's fight in the Champa arc, and sidelined Future Trunks in his own arc. Also less secondary character interactions in general.

The pacing is bad
> This is more of the format's fault being monthly, rather than Toyo', but it makes the manga seem like a cliffnotes version of the anime. This takes away any extra slice of life moments, or other character interactions. No baseball episode.

Goku is more of an asshole
> Him not being there for Goten's birth is understandable. But he even wasn't there for Gohan's birth either??

The manga has asspulls too, as much as mangafags love to deny it
> Goku pulling out Hakai out of his ass is worse than Future Trunks pulling a Saiyan Saga-tier move out of his ass. Mostly because Future Trunks is gone...yet now we have to live with Goku having a broken ass move throughout the rest of the manga. A regular bow and arrow piercing a God of Destruction was pretty funny though

Tracing
> This isn't Toei copying old Toei, this is Toyotaro ripping off from Toriyama. Pic related.

The manga will never be represented in merchandising
> Xenoverse 2 ignores the manga's Future Trunks arc in favor of the anime version, DB FighterZ uses the anime version of SSB Goku (Kaioken), SSB Vegeta (moveset mirrors some attacks from the anime version of the Trunks arc), Hit and Black. Even Dokkan, which uses non-canon content from GT, Heroes, and Fusions, ignores the DBS Manga.

I can keep on going, but feel free to add more.

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Good list manga btfo I guess.

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>Goku is more of an asshole

>Why isn't Goku using SSBxKaiokenx10 to kill base Black after Trunks just told him about how he was ruining Trunks' live for atleast a year and killed Future Bulma?

>Because he wants to enjoy the fight for longer

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>The Future Trunks arc had tension
Fuck off no it didn't.

In the first Goku vs Black fight, Goku didn't use SSB which probably could have ended the arc right there. Funny enough in this arc Goku was been spamming SSB for pretty much everything even against Kuririn and 17.

Goku was siting on Kaioken for most of the arc.

When characters got hit by what should have been a serious blow they didn't even appear to be hurt at all like pic related, Mai surviving many encounters with Black.

The villain kept getting thwarted by regular humans using tear gas and flash grenades.

Black was on Earth for atleast a year and couldn't do something Super Buu did in a couple seconds.

The main characters are able to escape from the incompetent villains plenty times.
Trunks holds off Black and Zamasu so Goku and Vegeta can escape, next time we see Trunks he escaped somehow off screen.

> Implying most weekly shonen don't reuse scenes
> Toei copying themselves is as bad as Toyotaro copying Toriyama

Retard

>Goku pulling out Hakai out of his ass is worse than Future Trunks pulling a Saiyan Saga-tier move out of his ass.


Goku is a God of Destruction candidate so him using Hakai is fine, while training with Beerus and Whis he had many opportunities to see it and he has always had a exceptional ability to take on people's move, also it's never stated Hakai is limited only to GoD that's a headcanon people are trying to push.

Future Trunks has never even seen the Genki Dama yet he somehow unknowingly creates and he does without the consent of the Earthling something was needed for the regular Genki Dama, somehow Ki of a nearly wiped out Earth is able to defeat a being that tanked a Final Kamehameha from SSB Vegetto.
Remender that SSG Goku is Universe tier while holding back.


These are two are in no way comparable, sorry.

Reminder

allthetropes.wikia.com/wiki/Foreshadowing
>A clue or allusion embedded in the narrative that predicts some later event or revelation. It could be something a character says or does, an event that doesn't make sense until much later, a Meaningful Name, or really anything at all. The foreshadowing may be ominous, or seem perfectly innocent at the time.

>A good enough foreshadowing doesn't spoil the surprise, yet seems an obvious clue in retrospect. Genuinely bad foreshadowing either deflates the suspense or is too obfuscated (such as an Ice Cream Koan) to predict anything. It's also equally problematic if used excessively. Foreshadowing may establish something to avoid an Ass Pull. Or it may put a viewer off as introducing a needless supernatural element to the story.

Again
>A good enough foreshadowing doesn't spoil the surprise, yet seems an obvious clue in retrospect.

>In literature, foreshadowing is commonly done when a possibility is mentioned, but almost immediately dismissed or disproved. To some readers, they will dismiss the suggested possibility just as the unsuspecting characters do. More experienced readers will immediately call the author's bluff and know what to expect.

My #1 reason why the anime > manga:

I can actually be hyped for the anime, wondering what will happen next.

The most enjoyment I get from the manga is just seeing the differences between the anime and manga. But in the end, the major plot points stay the same.

Too bad the manga is so far behind.

Anyway, who's hyped to see the Prince of all Jobbers vs. Kiero this weekend?

>Goku is more of an asshole

What's up with that new picture of Dyspo teleporting around Frieza and Frieza just standing there smiling and thinking.

>The pacing is bad
Nothing could as bad as the current tournament arc which boring as hell and is taking forever to end. Or the constant time hoping in the FT arc

>Goku is a God of Destruction candidate
And here we go again

Nice headcanon retard.


Toppo is a GoD candidate. NOT Goku.

Goku outright refused, and Whis only trains them for food. Also being a candidate =/= automatically learning Hakai.

Retard

I'm more excited about Gohan looking like Gohan, it's been ages my friend

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Yeah I'm hyped for 122 & 123.

HEARD YOU FAGGOTS TALKIN SHIT ABOUT MY HAIRLINE

The inclusion of an infinity stone you fool!!!!

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>Black's personality is boring in the manga
As he was in the anime, he was stupid incompetent dumbass that failed to do something Super Buu did in a couple seconds.
>b-but Muh Smug!
Wow a smug DB villain haven't seen that before.

This one page has more character than anime Black had in the entire arc.

It seemed like Gowasu's words were reaching him, but Black ultimately decides against it because he's too far gone. Anime Black is just an OC meme lord, even down to the nonsensical powers to make him stronger than the heroes but even that's not true since Goku was holding back the entire arc not using Kaioken for somehow.

It seems he's been shopping for clones at the Frost Family Big Box Mart, called it.

>Manga = The Goku & Vegeta Show

SSG Retcon
> The anime borrowed this retcon from the manga 2 arcs later, but in the end this was Toyo's fault. Toriyama's BoG stated that Goku absorbed SSG into his body.

Vegetto vs Fusion Zamasu being totally one-sided
> Seeing Vegetto vs Super Buu again was disappointing. Seeing Vegetto actually try for once in the anime was a breath of fresh air.

> Frost
Frost in the manga is a generic douche. In the anime, he has a backstory which has him being praised as a hero which makes him more interesting than Freeza Lite.

Fusion Zamasu throws blocks instead of using godly techniques
> Self explanatory

> Zero time for Buu
The manga does away with Buu vs Basil, and Fit Buu vs Goku. No slice of life scenes for him either. He might as well not exist.

>Zamasu had queitly achieved many things - unnoticed was that he would have had perfect hair forever

Yeah, and can you imagine that the manga's chart would be even worse?

>The manga doesn't have antagonists that can barely be called a threat

Television addicted zombie people.
Taste like ningen, walk like people.

> Main antagonists such as Hit and Black are shit

B-but Toppo!!

Slim Buu was a great thing Toei thought up and then abandoned like fucking retards

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buu is a shitty character that no one wants to see.

>Main antagonists such as Hit and Black are shit

>For Doom had made the most terrible error - he had created a universe in his own image

SSB Kaioken >>> Mastered SSB

>Point blank SSR blast
>still can't kill Trunks
wew lad

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I couldn't sleep last night because I was wondering who'd win in a fight to the death, Saitama or Super Saiyan Blue Ultra Instinct Kaoi Ken x20 Vegito?

>Fusion Zamasu throws blocks instead of using godly techniques

Some of your points are valid but
>Also less secondary character interactions in general.
Nigga what. The manga is the only place a character like Shin was actually useful in an arc all about gods going evil.
>The pacing is bad
The Black arc had about the same number of pages as the Saiyan arc in DBZ. If you read it all at once the pacing is about the same as DBZ's. (Though this only applies after the U6 tournament arc, where the pacing was genuinely terrible.)
> Goku pulling out Hakai out of his ass is worse than Future Trunks pulling a Saiyan Saga-tier move out of his ass. Mostly because Future Trunks is gone...yet now we have to live with Goku having a broken ass move throughout the rest of the manga. A regular bow and arrow piercing a God of Destruction was pretty funny though
The move isn't all that broken. For one, there's no indication in the manga so far that it destroys the soul as well. There's also the statement that it wouldn't have actually worked on Zamasu, so it was effectively just hype factor. It's also a move that drains Goku of all his energy, requires him to get close to his opponent, and the opponent can still move during the technique. It's Goku's last resort essentially, and not even one he'd likely use against most foes, and only took a chance due to Zamasu being immortal. Secondly, Future Trunks making a Spirit Bomb while Super Saiyan Rage contradicts with statements about the Spirit Bomb stated in the next arc even. Hakai makes at least some sense due to Goku having trained with Beerus and Whis for several years at this point.
>The manga will never be represented in merchandising
This isn't even relevant to how good the manga is, but Xenoverse 2's DLC was made while the manga Black arc was still in production essentially, but it and Heroes have used the manga as a reference for Champa's moveset at least.

That shot didn't do anything retard. The force of it only pushed him out of his chair.

> In b4 Black's chair should also be god-tier

nope, lapping kaioken over a transformation is Toei garbage thought up all the way back in the Pikkon arc

it was never good, and it never made any sense

mastered SSB is way cooler, makes more sense too

Toyotaro's a huge fanboy, of course he's going to reference iconic poses. It's obvious if you aren't blind that it's not traced in any way.

This.


>Red and Blue are pretty much paired (raw strength wise) but while Red is the most balanced form ever, Blue is like a burst mode which provides a significant increase of power by draining a lot of stamina so you can't use the form all time nor spam the initial burst like nothing.
>Also both Goku and Vegeta has been guessing how to defeat this weakness of Blue, Vegeta's tactic is to train to being able to spam the form in quick bursts so he becomes Blue in the exact moment he needs and then he backs to the balanced Red without losing his stamina. Goku's method is to seal SSB's overflowing ki inside his body, preventing the stamina drain like a "full power SSB". Yet, Goku has not been training his method so he can't use this "full power SSB" without injuring his own body in the process (yet)

This is a painful but needed learning moment - notice the omissions from this scene besides several pieces of muscle and bone now part of the atmosphere content.

>Nigga what. The manga is the only place a character like Shin was actually useful

Shin vs Piccolo, Gohan, Trunks, etc

> The Black arc had about the same number of pages as the Saiyan arc in DBZ
And? Each arc doesn't have to be the same size. Doesn't change the fact that the Future Trunks arc in manga felt rushed.

>The move isn't all that broken. For one, there's no indication in the manga so far that it destroys the soul as well. There's also the statement that it wouldn't have actually worked on Zamasu, so it was effectively just hype factor. It's also a move that drains Goku of all his energy, requires him to get close to his opponent, and the opponent can still move during the technique.
It is broken if used properly. And Goku is only going to get stronger from here.

You point is only valid if we assume Goku's power will remain static.

>Heroes have used the manga as a reference for Champa's moveset at least.
Barely anything compared to the DBS anime content found in XV2, FighterZ, Dokkan, merchandising, literally anything else

>gohan doesn't want to use his powers in public so he doesn't get hounded by the media

ummmm sweetie then somebody fucking explain literally every other character in dragon ball flying and shit in public and not being famous

Meanwhile with SSB Kaioken

>Goku and Old Kai claim that he was unable to use the Kaio-ken with his normal Super Saiyan form due to the intense emotional turmoil/body stress caused by the Super Saiyan transformation, and attempting to combine the two would mean immediate death. However this creates a plot hole somewhat, as when training for Cell in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, Goku trained with Gohan to remove the emotional upheaval and stress present with the Super Saiyan transformation. Thus in theory, Goku should be capable of using Kaio-Ken while in his normal Super Saiyan state.

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>if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6.
>Whis would be about a 15.

SSB Kaioken x10 is at least 60.

Plus the red Kaioken aura slapped on behind the blue SSB aura looks lazy and ugly as fuck

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>Fusion Zamasu was weak as the final form of the Future Trunks arc. It got to the point where Vegeta alone, without fusion, killed TWO Fusion Zamasu's with one blast.
Black was handled better in the anime, but Fused Zamasu was handled FAR better in the manga. For one, he was already getting his ass kicked by Goku using Kaioken in the anime. The purple goo monster he turns into after was a terrible idea, and looked bad too. Also, Fused Zamasu didn't give a fuck about defending against Vegeta's attack at that point, since there were two of him and he's immortal. This doesn't contradict his power, as characters let their guards down all the time and get hurt by weaker attacks. Think Goku and the rock Krillin threw, or the ray gun. There's also more tension in the characters trying to escape a Fused Zamasu army and finding out he has a time machine they can follow him in than just straight up turning into the universe for no reason.

>mastered SSB is way cooler
It looks exactly like SSB, so no

Also Kaioken inherently is cooler because not only is it a visual change, but it's also a throwback to the Saiyan and Namek arcs

> makes more sense too
The anime explained why Kaioken can be paired up with SSB.

Anyway, why does it matter? This is a cartoon about space monkeys shooting lasers at each other.

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Wew

>is training under GoD and angel
>Beerus is reminding Goku of the perks of being a GoD every now and then still, even after years of training with them and refusing
>CSSB is literally stated to be strong enough to be a candidate for GoD
What does Goku "refusing" have anything to do with his abilities and potential strength? If Beerus is pushing Goku to become a GoD, then Goku is probably going to end up learning Hakai whether he wants to be one or not.

Jiren

Also while SSB Kaioken messes up the powers scaling in the anime, CSSB is a good indicator of Goku slowing reaching Beerus' level with him being able to pull off a Hakai barely in that state.

>Fused Zamasu was handled FAR better in the manga.
Except for the fact that Vegeta destroyed two of them in one blast.

Doesn't matter if there were many of them, but the fact that Vegeta can even do that is crazy. Also there is no indication that he let his guard down...that is just headcanon to help explain that unexplained ridiculousness

> There's also more tension in the characters trying to escape a Fused Zamasu army and finding out he has a time machine they can follow him in than just straight up turning into the universe for no reason
It was literally Return of Cooler all over again. Giygas Zamasu was a new idea for DB which I can appreciate.

>Piccolo, Gohan, Trunks, etc
The U6 arc had fucked pacing overall. Trunks was useful, he just didn't have literal Mary Sue transformation though. And Gohan was only useful in filler arcs up to this point. The manga's latest chapter is literally hyping up Gohan as a major player though.

>And? Each arc doesn't have to be the same size. Doesn't change the fact that the Future Trunks arc in manga felt rushed.
I mean, I was reading through the DBZ manga 2 months ago. The pacing is pretty much exactly the same. It goes by fast. I don't know what else Toyotaro could've really put in to fill the space you seem to be seeking without being needlessly divergent to the plot.

>It is broken if used properly. And Goku is only going to get stronger from here.
>You point is only valid if we assume Goku's power will remain static.
Goku's going to end up being stronger than the Gods of Destruction anyways though. The whole point of Ultra Instinct is that Goku is learning something not even Beerus has mastered, but allowed him to fight the other GoDs gunning for him all at once somewhat evenly. At that point does it really matter if he has a move like Hakai in his arsenal? Chances are any enemy on his level after this point will know Hakai too.

And if you give the games enough time they'll start taking shit from the manga too. They'll use any reference for SSG Vegeta once they finally toss him that form.

Reminder that Vegetto is not happening, as the fusion can't hold up to the full power of SSB and defuses in a couple minutes.

Reminder that the fusion for this arc will be Goku/Gohan who will combine Ultra Instinct and Ultimate for a truly godlike transformation.

Fan art says otherwise.

>Manga = The Goku & Vegeta Show

He never practiced the move

> He never practiced Kamehameha either
A human-tier move =/= A GoD-tier move

Either way, we never see him imitate Beerus like he did with Master Roshi. For a broken ass attack like Hakai, there better be some backstory to learning it.

It's an asspull however you slice it. Goku used it out of nowhere, and never bothered explaining it even after the fact.

At least Toyo could've explained it AFTERWARDS. But we don't even get that...just fan theories.

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Well, why do you all think?

>A human-tier move =/= A GoD-tier move
Good thing Goku is a Super Saiyan GOD Super Saiyan then.

videl>bulma>>>>>>>>>>>chichi

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>O MY ABILITY TO MERGE WITH THE UNIVERSE OUT OF NOWHERE DESPITE MY BODY BEING DESTROYED

> Showing a webm of Trunks actually doing something in the anime

Thanks for proving my point

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Trunks + Mai using the Mafuba > Goku using it

Trunks dealing the final blow with an asspull > Goku dealing the final blow with an asspull

> In b4 learning the Mafuba through youtube
It's a human-tier DB-level move. Also, Goku learned by Hakai by whatever the fuck. At least it gave Trunks and Mai more relevance than...more Goku

>Also there is no indication that he let his guard down
Wasn't that Future Zamasu's whole schtick in the anime and manga? That he doesn't give a shit about what hits he takes because he'll literally regenerate from anything? There's no reason not to think Fused Zamasu is the same, especially since it just led to more cloning for him.

You can say "OH YEAH FUSED ZAMASU GOT OBLITERATED BY VEGETA" but being reduced to bits doesn't really matter when you come back from said bits and immediately destroy whoever attempted that. What about Buu? He was far stronger than Vegeta but kept getting "obliterated". It's the same basic concept.

>Giygas Zamasu was a new idea for DB which I can appreciate.
Just hell man. CGI god in the sky was terrible. Maybe if it was an idea they did with Zeno at some point or something, but the way it was done with Zamasu made no sense at all. At least cloning from infinite regeneration made some sense and had a prior example in the series with Buu.

I really don't understand why they had to pull this shit I was fine with trunks slicing his bitch ass in half

Reminder Zamasu is the worse villain in the series
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Newfag spotted

GoD = God of Destruction

>What makes the Dragon Ball Super anime better than the manga?
That's a hard question. Some people prefer the Manga and some others the Anime. I like the Manga because it has actual choreography, consistency, better writing(By DB standards), nice art and because Goku, Vegeta and the others feel like their actual characters. But if i had to choose between the two I would choose the Anime mainly because i can see the show on my TV and get nostalgia. Also, seeing moving images and music gives it a different feeling than the Manga. That's why i think in the end of the day Anime will always be better and more popular than Manga. That said, if I were to find a Super Manga and DVD on a store at the same price i would definitely buy the Manga.

>Goku dealing the final blow with an asspull
Goku didn't even deal the final blow though. Zamasu fucking countered that shit by pulling Mai into the range, kicked Goku, and was about to destroy everything until the fusion wore off and then Trunks forced the fusion into being done by cutting him in half.

this was the intention you goof. it was supposed to be a reference to broly

>super sayian God in the movie is almost enough to beat beerus

>super sayian god in the show isn't even enough to beat caulifla and kale and neither is SSB plus kaioken

LMAO DEFEND THIS SHIT

>oops I forgot the Senzu Beans
>oops I forgot the Urn in the time machine
>oops I forgot the Seal at Kame house

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>O MY ABILITY TO RECREATE THE RETURN OF COOLER MOVIE OUT OF NOWHERE DESPITE MY BODY BEING DESTROYED AND FUSION TIME RUNNING OUT

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This, I like how Goku having God Ki means something in the manga, especially since SSB is shit tier in the anime
>base Black tanks hits from SSB Vegeta
>17 fights on with SSB Goku
>Kale rekts SSB Goku
>SSB Vegetto's final kamehameha does shit to Zamasu while he gets rekt by Future Trunks

I mean, the fusion being forced to stick because they're the exact same person and one mentally already does make more sense than fusing with the universe.

So does cloning because being split into two conscious halves = immortality glitches.

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That's not dangerous to the plot though. Goku can be dumb, but he also needs to be dependable overall.

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What's happening here?

Honestly can't wait for Freeza vs Dypso. Even though it'll probably take the backseat for Vegeta jobbing to Jiren.

Wait just how weak is krillin now that he gets hurt by bullets?

>immortality glitches makes sense

Whatever you say Toyopedro