Overlord and isekai shit

Why is it an Isekai series like every game mechanic can be replaced by magic . It could easily be a good normal fantasy about awakened evil, its fucking stupid that author choose this route he could easily appeal to bigger audience if it wasnt isekai. Does "stats" have such strong appeal in Japan?

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Yes. Because Japanese love power levels

If it's easily replaceable then who cares? Just say, "It's magic numbers."

To have an everyday salaryman personality to relate with mixed especially with overlord as most of the normal “I need to escape back to the real world” tropes are dicregarded.

Overlord at least amkes it kinda right. But why the most known and loved anime is fucking SAO. This shit isn't even a proper game.

I always avoided this show because
>video game world
Is it worth a watch despite that?

tries way to hard to be political and stuff, also they talk too much.

>>video game world
>Is it worth a watch despite that?
Considering it's not a video game world, maybe. Treat the new world as a real world that simply got polluted by shitty MMO/D&D mechanics because that's pretty close to what actually happened.

It actually is. I first thought it was a SAO clone really, but the idea of a “villain” who is a big fish in a small pond attracted me enough to see what it was all about. The idea where the hero starts off as overpowered might initially seem like something to turn a person off, makes it so that they focus more on character development and internal struggles. Which in hindsight make sense why Superman was so popular when it was introduced.

>spoiler
That’s literally what happened....and it was what allowed humans of that world to finally thrive in what was used to be a death world to them.

Character development and world building is one of the reasons to have an overpowered MC, but most seem to forget to do that.

>it's over 9000
How new are you?

Okay, I've set up my madVR so that shit wouldn't lag anymore.
I'm ready for them CG Lizards, throw it at me!

>Finally get into a game when the hype for it finally goes away, and the servers are dead.
Literally me. ;_;

>;_;
Kill yourself.

>SAO clone really
Do people really think SAO came first?

Not saying Overlord is an SAO clone here.
But SAO LN came out in 2009, and Overlord LN came out in 2012.
For WN, SAO came out in 2002, and I doubt that Overlord came out earlier than that.

You cant really do that when you think about a charactets like Albedo as just NPCs. In first episode of season 2 MC talk about her in that way, it would be much better if his stubborness to sex came from the fact that he is a Lich and not that "shes someones child" like what?!?

this is actually new news to me
not that I even watched SAO to begin with anyway

>new news

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So she's a magic construct? What's hard to understand, man?

???

I like the current overlord a lot, what youre proposing would detract on what makes the series good. Why don't you just make youre own?

I had no idea SAO was actually available before it was published. Just remembered author saying that they wrote it for a contest back then and never submitted it. I can't find this WN, but that might just be because SAO has so many results and is trash no one wants to translate.
Overlord was a web novel for years before it got published but I'm sure it doesn't go back to 2002, so my bad for spreading bullshit.

>youre
You did that shit on purpose, didn't you?

Its not good because it has RPG elements, It's good because MC is overpowered greate evil aka Sauron learning about the world + it has tons of comic relief

To be fair correcting grammar on a phone is cancer

To be fair phoneposting is.

any close encounter with your destined truck kun yet?

I was carpooling with my boss and he spun out his truck doing stupid shit and rolled into a ditch.

My friend was recently side-swiped by a Canadian and suffered whiplash.

My OTHER friend's radiator recently exploded.

Crossing the street some asshole ran a red. If I wasn't paying attention I'd have to pull some Matrix level shit or get run over.

I'm fully expecting a crazy dimension-hopping Princess to pop out of a wormhole at any minute and attempt to cut my head off with a magic sword.

>Isekai is calling me home.

have to prepare your skills in science, engineering and medicine, start practicing now

I have a stack a books next to me on chemistry, math, and a few occult boo--

Waitaminute. You're trying to trick me, again, princess. I'M ON TO YOU.

>implying
He'll just get a cheat power anyway.

The game mechanics mean almost nothing to overlord, whats important is that Ainz is the strongest thing in the world and doesn't realize it because he's too new. If he wasn't isekai then he wouldn't have the npcs without some major shitty asspulls and he wouldn't have the inferiority complex that is essential. The entire thing would be generic and be passed over by everyone.

As for making the game mechanics to be replaced entirely by magic, it'd be terrible and would lead to Ainz having his own super secret magic that noone else in the world has and noone can beat. The new world already has their own version of magic and skills that AoG doesn't have and cannot get which is a real problem for them.

If you take away isekai from Overlord you take away all their flaws, leaving a dozen edgy Kiritos running around.

>double spacing
>blogposting

>someone asks an anime question about your life
>answer them with every instance I can think of

Yeah, I don't give a shit about you're problems with double-spacing, though.

Overlord was a WN before a LN
It might not be much older than 2012, but it's probably older than 2012

They're not my problems, but your retardation.

Yea I know that Overlord was a WN before a LN, I meant to say that I doubt the WN of Overlord came out earlier than that but I guess I phrased that I little strangely.

>I hate thing.

No one cares.

This is what happens when there is nothing to discuss, and people make general threads every day, allowing this cancer to fester.

Not really, double spacing is objectively retarded and is frowned upon on Sup Forums for many years.
Nah, faggots will get lost in two sentences and double-space to find their way around even when there is fresh content.

I bet Ainz-sama double-spaces his posts.

So that's how it is. Sasuga, Ainz-sama!

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>newfags are swarming together for validation
There's a place when you can freely suck each other dicks with upboats you know, why don't you fuck off there?

Imagine being a 20 year old japanese aspiring light novel writer who actually goes through the effort of building a distinct and interesting world for your fucking isekai novel and then getting rejected by every publisher because your world isn't a generic dragon quest fantasy with a demon lord.

I mean, I can only assume that's what's happening and it's the business side fucking things up for everyone. I refuse to believe the entire country of japan is so completely bereft of creativity.

SAO wasn't the first, but it was the first that popularized the genre as it exists today.

>what are WNs
As it turns out - nips usually write shit even when publisher doesn't force their hand.

That's probably how it is. Most fantasy manga that seem to try something new or different tend to be niche, old, or cast-aside. Why take risks when you can do what's proven to work?

Mainstream appeal is a prevalent problem that exists outside of Japan. But you're not wrong.

Some ended series on Syosetsu are quite interesting as well, shame that they didn't get published nor translated to English.

>>greater evil wakes up from slumber and doesnt know anything about the world
>>he does not want to destroy but it wants to learn about the world before making any moves

It does not seem generic at all


>>Artifacts and black magick

>>If there was not any comic relief it would be edgy kiritos running around already

To be fair I read Overlord to self-insert and not feel like shit all the time. I couldn't give two fucks if the RPG mechanics were completely lost after his transfer and everything really was just magic. Might even make the story better, honestly, who knows? As things go the RPG mechanics are barely a registered thing in Overlord.

Can we not use isekai to mean gamelike?
You make a good point though.
The game elements in Overlord or spiderwaifu or fucking Otherland for that matter are there for a reason. It makes sense and is actually part of the story. I don't even mind with things like Goblin Slayer because it is just the setting the author wants to use and knows what they are doing and it is internally consistent.
I think the OP is lumping everything that has this one particularly overused right now element together and judging it based on shit tier stories that suddenly randomly throw in game elements like that one reincarnation in a fantasy world that inexplicably got animated recently. Or the more popular of the slime ones where the game elements don't even make sense and really do add nothing. Or fucking SAO where the real world apparently runs on magic can do anything and the fantasy video games aren't even remotely workable as games.
I see where OP is coming from and I disagree that you would have to make Ainz have is own super special sauce, you could just go full on Tomb of Horrors and arbitrarily make him the strongest, awakened from sleep of ages, yada yada.
It would still make sense as a chain of events but it would completely lack those elements that you point out as making the story unique. Also interesting. And making fucking Sauron relatable as he is stepping on everyone, which I haven't seen anyone pull off half this well before.

Otherland was popular as fuck and did it better first.
Why the hell did SAO get popular when there were other stories to chose from? If I remember right that unsubmitted draft for SAO was for a contest that specified "takes place in a video game."

It's funny to me how people get attacked so hatefully for using an emoticon or choosing to use double spacing in their posts. Indicates how many bitter people are on here, just waiting to jump anyone who's not like the rest.

*giggles* you silly fools ;)

They are just meming or want to fit in :*

Because only underage retards use emoticons, we have smug anime girls for that.
Board culture is what makes it what it is, if you come here to turn it into another facebook - kindly fuck off.

>Otherland
>popular as fuck
Literally who?

This is Sup Forums you fucking faggot

>Why the hell did SAO get popular when there were other stories to chose from?

SAO is good at being a power fantasy. Author of it didn't expect it to do so well, but he basically wrote himself into a corner and another user a year ago explained it very well. Basically, author wrote SAO to be a complete contained story with a finite end, where the self insert hero got the girl, but had to scrap or avoid canon plot lines, so that he could expand on the world. Such as finding excuses for the canon love interest to fuck off, so that new females could be introduced and lust after the MC, plus it would give them excuses to avoid them. Resetting the story of being isekai'd into a new game when ever the need arose.

SAO isn't any good and it is basically the same story retold... how many times are they on now? I haven't even kept up really, but you can probably say the same for any AAA summer action movies. Long as it sells, they'll keep making more content. Everyone just loves the lonely beater.

Smartphone did it better.

I want Brown Queen animated.

I explained green text to you last week go back to b like I told you.
English novel franchise.
"Kids were playing video games in VR and now they are trapped even though that makes no sense. I must log in to the same game and win it to free my little brother."
For one it acknowledged how fucking impossible "trapped in VR" would be when parents could just pull the plug and it was actually a plot element that made sense.
Everyone was talking about this series for a few years.

>gets to isekai with half a ton of stuff
>doesn't bring contemporary equivalent of WH40k Standart Template Construct
>full of how-to and tech designs complete with manufacturing details
>Can't even help with firebricks for furnace
>Doesn't bring over seeds of Earth plants
Reading this was suffering.

You okay there newfag?

>English novel franchise.
This is anime and manga board.

Wow user, did you also mark how many argument you have won?

I saw two episodes of this before dropping, nothing felt earned. I want vanilla happy ends but only after the protaganists have suffered and worked for it. Given powers by a divine source "just cause" was extremely dumb. Outside of Overlord, my favorite Isekai has to be .hack//sign, my second favorite Isekai might surprise you in that it is El Hazard. The most recent notable Isekai has to be RE: Zero.

>snowflake thinks he annoys only one user
Lurk for two years before posting.

>El:Hazard
Shame they didn't expand it.

They did but the result got the Tsukihime and Eureka AO treatment, if you understand my implications, my fine anonymous friend of a secret club which must not be named for fear of the robot antenna men invading.

Does it even work as a power fantasy?
The internal inconsistencies would ruin it for me, because I can't ignore them. The whole "here is a challenge for me for arbitrary reasons that weren't there before...and now it's gone" thing doesn't work for me. At least just says "fuck it" and makes the MC an apathetic omnipotent god who somehow can't get laid despite his harem literally begging him for it.
How the hell did Mr Only Dual Wielder rise from the dead?

>El Hazard
I still have my copy of the manga from 2001

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>green text
The quote function?

The MC was meant to be useless though.

>Everyone was talking about this series for a few years.
Literally who?

I don't recall anything with that name.

Spykids 3

I consider it stillborn.
>just says "fuck it" and makes the MC an apathetic omnipotent god
I was cringing hard for fist couple of episodes then I just gave in and started to enjoy it.
Feel zero shame about it.

>Why is it an Isekai series like every game mechanic can be replaced by magic
It can't, no matter how much you shit post this will never change just like how you will never amount to anything in life but being obsessed and seething at isekai for 3+ years straight on Sup Forums now. At best you'll convince a bunch of niggers so you can circle jerk in the thread but that's all you'll ever amount to.

Well yeah, but he could've made his life much more comfortable and shit like war, famine and epidemic is not out of question.
He should've brought more technology data over.

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>#1: hire aspiring WN author to tailor your personal power-fantasy isekai
>#2 rent sensory deprivation capsule in an institution somewhere for 20 years
>comes with maintenance, nurse care, life support etc.
>#3: hire hypnosis specialist to indoctrinate you with scenario obtained after step #1
>#4: pay for artificial coma, some countries treat depression with it
>be put under and live your dream

What do you mean he can't do anything?
It's 2017, anything is possible.

>It's 2017, anything is possible.
Sorry user, its 2018 now.

when's the next episode coming out?

I want my 2017 back.

>#4: pay for artificial coma, some countries treat depression with it
>2017
Tempting. But user it's too late now

What are your settings for madVR? I managed to get panning to stop stuttering, but it was replaced with a noticeable fps drop all around.

Overlord runs on Ainz's unique perspective. He treats the whole world like a game, cautiously testing mechanics, and he feels distinctly distanced from it. There's also the possible threat of other players like himself hanging around. It might not feel like much since it's seemingly dropped so early on, but it defines so much of the protagonist that it's almost impossible to remove. At the very least it would have to be an isekai, and the game part explains his position at the start with him already being somewhat familiar with the setting.

yes
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In spiderwaifu the world is game like because of a spell cast by a sadistic gamer troll. Overlord is probably going to turn out to be caused by a dragon lord using wild magic to steal ideas from Yggdrasil.
Why would he? He's useless and doesn't give a fuck about anyone.
If he cared about disease he'd be using enchant and super special healing to make cure everything charms and spreading them around.

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Don't attentionwhore you fag.
>He's useless
He's pretty useful as per vol6, more than he would like to be actually.
>he'd be using enchant and super special healing
But he doesn't know enchant nor he can use it: he didn't inherit necessary mana type.
Maybe his son did.

Two weeks until episode two.

Stats absolutely ruin my isekai experience. They are constantly brought up because "muh character progression", rather than just showing the characters kill stronger and stronger creatures.

It only adds obnoxious filler and essentially locks characters into a position of invulnerability towards characters with lower stats, even if the weaker character are more crafty.

>They are constantly brought up
Not in Overlord.
Author deliberately obscured exact stat values for characters, we had to resort to pixelhunting to estimate their powerlevel in values.
There's no skillscreens on half a chapter either.

wasn't the previous one only a recap? so we're still getting a new 1st episode right?