What did you think of Gargantia?

What did you think of Gargantia?

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the squid aliens turning out to be human was such a garbage twist. really fuck urobutcher that fucking hack

Great girls but everything else was kinda shitty. Should have been porn.

I liked parts of it. Robot was great, early Ledo was great. They wasted some time here and there and the reasoning of the civilians was completely retarded (I know they violently took over our vessels and threatened our women with rape, but you can't just kill them), but overall it was pretty enjoyable.

It's great, too bad the second season never materialized. And they put out a lot of tease about the girl-pilot who was in the space army with Ledo.

underrated anime, a little glad it's not like attack on titan but a little disappointed it wasn't more of a success. More Amy and Bellows fanart is all I need

best 1st episode in a long time but rest was average

I want to fuck Saaya

The 1st episode was nice.

I think the Galactic Empire of Humanity are a bunch of assholes.

I liked the dancing.

Naruko Hanaharu really needs to make a comeback

>Chamber was great
>girls and their girly bits were great
>setting was awesome
Everything else was not.

It was okay but had some awesome datails

>Ledo's skin getting tan over time
>The writting system actualy made sense if you translated it
>There is a initial language barrier till Ledo learned the language
>Ship politics made sense in the setting

Gargantia was a solid 7/10, shame the twist and the ending were kinda meh

this

spotted the squidfucker, glory to the manking you traitor

I want the girls to sit on my face

Wasted potential: the animation

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>If you kill your enemies they win.

Garbage

it was a mediocre and forgettable show but I kind of liked it because it seemed like the sort of thing Toonami would have played in the 90s

>It wasn't fucking highschool
>Sugitabot was based
>Squid "aliens" were cool
Would have preferred the setting for a space anime tho.

Such massive wasted potential it was depressing. First two eps were a solid setup for an interesting mixture of politics, scifi and old school high seas life in a neat setting, but the writers were just too shitty to manage it and went for generic crap instead. What a shame. I still like the music though at least.

Wasted potential.
They could have made an adventurous anime about the new earth.
But no.

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The backward logic is really retarded.

Did not like after the first episode. I don't like any of the boat people, they all seem like complete assholes, especially the leaders.

>Ship politics made sense in the setting
No they didn't. At all. That was one of the massive weaknesses of the show, the writers should have studied the 1700s/1800s ship life and used that as the base. If they had actually done that seriously and gone to some effort for sensible politics and reactions it'd have been really interesting, but they went for idiotic shit instead.

Also they acted like somehow the humans were the bad guys, when the squidtards had actually purposefully regressed into stupid horrors, then when humans simply tried to peacefully leave attacked and stole the technology that squidshits could no longer develop. Alliance did nothing wrong.

This show had a chance to become something, too bad it got lost in the ass n tiddies.

it started as starship troopers
then it turned into the soldier
and it ended like apocalypse now
i liked it.

>he doesn't understand that tech is evil
>sing kumbaya and poweroffriendship will make everything better
>hold hands with tentacles! we're not so different!

their logic behind that was that obliterating a bunch of raiders would only bring bigger problems. and it actually did.

They had a metal god that could kill 100% of the enemy even when they have hostages with no loss of innocent life. What's there to fear?

Obliterating them as opposed to what, brutally shooting them all to death with guns? Killing some and letting some of the others live to plan revenge in larger numbers?

Is this true?

Reminder to ignore squid posters.

6/10 anime with some cool moments.

The early stuff with Ledo's origin and introduction to the fleet were interesting. I enjoyed the culture shock between Ledo and the fleet crew.

Moments where Chamber calmly explains the logic of Ledo's decisions were great. I really liked how straight Chamber was played, from start to finish it was a support AI that wanted to see Ledo grow; first as a soldier then as a person. The only time it went out of character was a cute little 'fuck you' moment at the end with the other AI.

The fleet itself was a interesting concept, but got bogged down with dull characters. The best thing about them was the character design. We need more H artists doing character designs.

So yeah, it was alright. Could have been better but I got to see a space age mecha brutally disintergrate a bunch of sea pirates. I also got to see a guy try and genocide a bunch of sea squid and has his AI explain why it's the right decision through cold logic. Good times.

she's saying boys like their girls THICC

she's not wrong.

BASED CHAMBER

A huge mess and wasted potential

>their logic behind that was that obliterating a bunch of raiders would only bring bigger problems.
There was no "logic" there except the writers' retardation. Fuck user, it's not even self-consistent: the civilians were busy blazing away at the pirates with guns, just because they only shot steel at slow speeds not hypertech disintegrator beams doesn't mean they wouldn't kill. The civvies didn't hesitate for a second to aim guns of many sizes at him either. The pirates were PIRATES, the rule for pirates in human history has generally been kill-on-sight because the pirates don't show mercy either, they're destructive parasites. The civvies should have been eager to trade food/knowledge/whatever to have him quickly eradicate all the pirates, and nobody would ever even know because we're not talking an advanced civilization with orbital surveillance sats or whatever here. The pirates would just all vanish never to be seen again, the end.

This stuff just isn't theoretical, we know how humans acted in those situations IRL. Hell, we can even see how primitive people acted when encountered comparatively very advanced people (look at the experiences of the Royal Navy when Britain was the greatest power and had advanced warships with canons and guns vs canoes with spears/bows&arrows). They could have done some real twists on that and considered competing objectives and had drama in the form of rivalries in goals but the pirate thing was just dumb.

This show really bothered me. I remember reading about the director wanting to make a show portraying a desirable life giant boats. Kind of like Sora no Woto, the intent was to create a kind of sci-fi world that you would want to live in. It's set up really nicely by introducing this forced conscription life mired in endless war where everyone fights and dies in space and their lives are controlled from moment they're artifically born, and then contrasting that with this freewheeling Earth society. But then the show completely fails at its premise because the boat society fucking sucks.

They're passive, primitive, and backwards. There's still brutal violence. They refuse to better their own situation, all being stuck on dirty rust buckets, complete with slums and red light districts of rapey transvestite prostitutes. Their leaders are xenophobic, hypocritical, and belligerent. Their entire life philosophy is reveling in being the dead end of civilization. I would never want to be in this god forsaken world, and the show falls apart trying to sell it to me.

>dat hype as fuck ep1
>great setup, tons of speculation
>ep2 actually bretty gud too surprisingly
>even more people having great debates and thinking about what might happen
>mfw ep3 onwards
feels bad man

>The best thing about them was the character design. We need more H artists doing character designs.
this is true though

>Should have been porn.

Funny you mention that, the character designer was picked basically because of that.

you forget DEAD assholes

>They're passive, primitive, and backwards. There's still brutal violence. They refuse to better their own situation, all being stuck on dirty rust buckets, complete with slums and red light districts of rapey transvestite prostitutes. Their leaders are xenophobic, hypocritical, and belligerent. Their entire life philosophy is reveling in being the dead end of civilization. I would never want to be in this god forsaken world, and the show falls apart trying to sell it to me.
Yeah that's another thing. Ledo was right, maybe they can last for another few generations but they're basically doomed right? All they're really living off of is scavenging from humanity's former glory. But that won't last forever, then what? They have no plans. They have no tech base, no material engineering of their own, without more scrap of good enough kinds their ships will eventually fall apart. If they try to fix that the hideous will destroy them. Their end game is "just relax mon and donna worry 'bout dat adult stuff yeah"

If those artists then make doujin based on those characters, even better.

Wasted potential. Pretty great setting and concept ruined by a weird story. Would have worked 10x better a as a more straightforward drama/comedy about Leto's adventures in adjusting.

Potential was squandered so hard the second season was officially cancelled

they both had fair points coming from different perspectives.

For the fleet, it doesn't help them to put every pirate they fight to death because it leads to a cycle of revenge and retaliation. In regular circumstances they can only afford to fight off pirates that come, but not pursue and annihilate them, mainly because a larger force of pirates will take this as direct challenge and seek revenge. If you take prisoners you can also trade them for captives or ransom them for resources, if they are abandonned there is a chance you can use them for more man power which might be at a premium in this world.

For Ledo and Chamber, they were given a clear enemy threat to deal with. Hostages were a issue and they had a solution to both eliminate the threat and save the hostages. So they did that. I don't really have to explain too much about their mentality. They come from a society locked in a war for survival, enemies can't be left to come back another day.

Anyway, the main bit that annoyed me about the exchange with Ledo after he dealt with the hostage situation is that no one from the Fleet attempted to understand his position. It would have been easy to do so and they didn't explain before asking for his help why they value life. I get the fleets position of not wanting him to just perfectly kill all their enemies; it would plant a huge target on their head and the power isn't theirs to begin with so it's not reliable; what if Ledo left the next day?

Basically, it just could have been handled better. A lot of points in this show could have been handled better.

REMOVE

SQUID

Wasted potential.

>A lot of points in this show could have been handled better.
I totally agree with you on this one.

The hilarity is the sequel has a squid girl character who has the wetness for Ledo.

>I remember reading about the director wanting to make a show portraying a desirable life giant boats.

It was clearly just shoehorned into a coming of age story about a sheltered boy (a soldier no less) learning to join productuve society.

All that science fiction shit was just a vehicle for a story about NEETs getting a job.

>For the fleet, it doesn't help them to put every pirate they fight to death because it leads to a cycle of revenge and retaliation.
FFS. No it doesn't. "Pirates" are not nation states. They are (even in the show) at most small bands or individual ships with no other loyalty. This is like saying "well if a country destroys raiders attacking their convoys it'll just lead to a cycle of revenge" no, because the country has an overwhelming advantage in logistics and military power and population. It is in fact possible to just destroy all the raiders and that's it. New ones may pop up but they can be destroyed in turn, and will have zero connection to the previous ones. In the world we saw that's even less likely because there simply isn't that big a pool of humanity left anyway.

>Anyway, the main bit that annoyed me about the exchange with Ledo after he dealt with the hostage situation is that no one from the Fleet attempted to understand his position. It would have been easy to do so and they didn't explain before asking for his help why they value life.
I agree with you though that how the Fleet reacted was a lot worse, hell even how that girl reacted. It's not like they were shooting too for starters. They asked for help, they had a lot of their people saved, that should have provoked some gratitude. Or hell, some greed or even fear, but fear in terms of "shit we better be super nice to this guy." Any of that, or all of that really, would have made sense. What they did didn't make sense.
>what if Ledo left the next day?
Isn't that a reason to try to get him to NOT leave the next day? They've got stuff to offer him too, and he's proven reluctant to just take it all from them as he clearly could so that's something to negotiate in good faith on. This is basic politics.

Really boils down to the writers just weren't up to the concept.

The thing is I don't understand the fleet's perspective at all.

It's not like there's going to be less of a cycle of revenge and retaliation if you merely scare them off or shoot them to death with your guns. They were fighting back, they weren't just taking it like complete bitches. In fact, by leaving survivors, you're more likely to incite further violence because they'll be able to run off and rally others. Even then, if they do retaliate, you now have a giant fuck-off robot friendly to you that you should be ingratiating yourself to instead of shunning.

This idea that they "might have taken prisoners" without having any of their own raped and killed, as was happening in the very moment that Chamber intervened, is ludicrous to me.

In a broader perspective, violence is violence. When you shoot guns at people, you are intending to kill them. It seems massively stupid to me that vaporizing them with future lasers is somehow worse than lodging frag into their lungs and organs so they slowly choke themselves to death on their own blood.

yeah the japs made doujins about how things would have gone if leto had not shown up:
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what a great perspective fleettards good thing you avoided that cycle of revenge!

That's the theme, but the director was explicitly trying to accomplish something with the setting, and he failed so hard it's unbelievable.

>"Pirates" are not nation states

Agreed, but they were concerned with a larger group of pirates that ended up escilating their attack because their raid failed.

I think they were ok with fighting back for their lives against Pirates, but not the idea of killing them to the last man when in a position of power themselves. It's a shallow point of view I'm not going to defend too much, but I think the writers were looking for a cycle of revenge argument to further hammer in that Ledo isn't ready for their society.

>Really boils down to the writers just weren't up to the concept.

can't disagree with that.

They were clearly fighting for their lives and I don't think they have a problem killing pirates in that exchange. I think the issue they had with Ledo is more that he was acting from such a position of superiority he could have probably handed that situation without killing them to the man. The shock was good, I loved that part, what I didn't like was their inability to understand it from Ledo's perspective.

>great concept
>horrible execution
At least it died after one season rather then dragging on.

>this won't ever be done
Thank AI gods.

Funny, I thought the whole thing was inspired by the Thames arc of Xenogears.

Also the cycle is more likely to develop the other way. What if they do get away and kidnap and rape your women, and then you get a reptuation for being weak bitches and more pirates come to fuck your day up? A show of force as a deterrant is a pretty fundamental concept of nature.

I really can't respect that perspective at all though. If someone attacks you with a sword and you have a gun, would you be "honorable" or would you go Indiana Jones on his ass? Especially when he's defusing a hostage situation and saved people.

It was...in a LN.

>be pirates
>get completely decimated and wiped out in the last attack
>I know let's attack them again
They should find another dayjob.

>no one comes back to explain what happens
>send a bigger force

maybe I'm remembering it wrong. Have to admit though, the fleet was kind of retarded.

Are there pics?

FWIW user I don't think we're really in fundamental disagreement here, so I feel a little silly arguing with you about it. But hey Sup Forums, so:
>Agreed, but they were concerned with a larger group of pirates that ended up escilating their attack because their raid failed.
Who could have been casually crushed in minutes with absolutely zero risk to the fleet whatsoever if they'd just explained the situation and maybe offered what help they could (food/what sort of stuff they'd scavenged/etc) right? They did even have that orbital launch system, not enough energy for true orbit on their own but with Chamber and Ledo maybe that could have been changed, Ledo might have been very interested in that (and with it humanity could have regained access to space too). Maybe the old wormhole gateway was still up there.

At any rate they had someone who was demonstrated to be not just powerful but also reasonable, potentially friendly and cooperative (because with that kind of power he could have just crushed them too, as Chamber in fact suggested). The "larger group" was meaningless, eliminate them and that'd have been that. They don't have infinite reinforcements, or even long range communications or monitoring. I think maybe you underestimate (same as the writers) how hard intel gathering or even finding ships at sea at all is IRL without sats, radar, flying scouts, GPS, etc.

>but I think the writers were looking for a cycle of revenge argument to further hammer in that Ledo isn't ready for their society
I think the writers just sucked honestly and didn't do any research. Which I guess isn't exactly uncommon, but I still feel like they could have fit in doing a week or two of reading on 1700s/1800s age of sailing stuff and maybe done something really cool. I guess as much as anything I just think it's a shame that really cool possible show didn't happen because it may never again either. Such is life in commercial entertainment though.

Ledo should of fucked all 3 girls.

>should of

I know we're not really in disagreement. I just like playing devils advocate. They could have done a lot with Ledo if they were smart and ruthless, but that wouldn't have progressed the story in the direction they wanted. Shame really.

It was ok.
Too bad the Sup Forums is full of children hell bent on taking sides and defending their fictional side to death instead of thinking what the point of the whole story was. That's where the most shitposting came from.

yup

Not enough porn of it

They had no way to know what happened, like said it's just that no one came back. As far as the pirates know Gargantia just managed to get more fleets close or the other pirates misjudged or something, remember they weren't attacking the main fleet but trying to go after a split off small force. While Gargantia would take significant casualties, it's not inconceivable they could destroy all the pirates ships (and capture/destroy the pirates in turn) if something went wrong that let the main fleet close, or they had somewhat more firepower then expected.

Intel is always super hard particularly for non-advanced civilizations. You only need to go back to WW1 really to see that at sea. Speaking of which why didn't gargantia have aircraft, the concepts were clearly known. Even simple sea prop driven sea planes would have given them vastly more scouting and meant the pirates couldn't sneak up without bad weather.

main problem is that the main point of the show was weak compared to the potential of space man vs naval fleets.

>attacked for tech up
sounds like gurren lagann prologue IMO

People clearly get what the point was supposed to be. It's just delivered shittily.

>compared to the potential of space man vs naval fleets
There's no potential like that. Unless you want a teenager's power fantasy where he wipes out with the press of a button anything and anyone standing in his way.

That's dumb strategy. The logical thing to do would be to scout out area and try to figure out what happened before planning another attack.

>I know we're not really in disagreement. I just like playing devils advocate.
Fair enough.

>They could have done a lot with Ledo if they were smart and ruthless, but that wouldn't have progressed the story in the direction they wanted.
Maybe that's the crux of the matter: I think fiction is usually best when a good world and characters are made then it kind of organically proceeds from there, like you're watching how it'd all really play out. It feels jarring when the writers set things up, but then clearly have a direction they want to go and just force everything into that mold and to go that way even if it means suddenly making characters dumb or invoking ridiculous coincidences/luck or beating readers over the head with moral lessons or whatever.

>Maybe the old wormhole gateway was still up there.

it is

Melty tries many times, but Ledo does not know how into vagoo.

Just fapped to Melty. Truly underrated

>pirates kill them and try to rape their women
>"nooo we don't kill unless we have to"

So what you're saying is that you wanted your pussy pumped.

How do you think humanity breeds on this water world?

The culture shock stuff was pretty good though, trying to understand one another and come to a agreement where they help each other would be good. Ledo wants to try and get back to his war and gather information, they want to use him as a safety net and potential source of advancement. As the story progresses the two different idealogies find more and more common ground as well as some conflicts of interest and eventually we come around to a head finding the other advanced robot and AI and the squids.

>That's dumb strategy. The logical thing to do would be to scout out area and try to figure out what happened before planning another attack.
Look user, IRL we see stuff happen like I described by actual naval commanders for real quite a bit, and yeah it sometimes ended in disaster. But they ALWAYS had to act with extremely imperfect information, you can't just "scout out the area" when it's the ocean and you don't have satellites or drones or submarines or even high altitude scout aircraft (the latter of which will of course reveal your presence to the enemy as well).

It's not remotely illogical or dumb to not consider somebody getting a hyper advanced super soldier from an ongoing galactic war. Rather, it'd have made total sense to think that they knew what Gargantia had overall from previous encounters or talking to other people over the years (HUMINT).

Not that you're wrong that it'd make sense to just give up, pirates IRL didn't tend to be particularly sentimental or want to throw away their lives attacking organized fleets. In fact they were often pretty sad desperate and badly equipped cases, though privateers could be a very different story. But they'd do it out of cold rationality, "this is more trouble then it's worth" not due to somehow acquiring tons of intel. The privateer angle is another way the writers could have gone too if they weren't such hacks. Have Garantia be hostile to another big fleet. THEN it'd make sense the pirates would continue to attack regardless.

>People clearly get what the point was supposed to be.
Yeah, Yet we still occasionally get the debates about why it's bad that Gargantia fleet didn't try to use a random stranger with godlike powers they knew nothing about and can't control to start a rampage.
If people clearly get what the point was the seem to ignore it most of the times.

Getting the point doesn't mean the point was retarded or executed badly or both user. "If only you understood you'd like it" isn't how this shit works. Sometimes there is nothing to like.

The point is hit-you-over-the-head obvious, uninteresting, and it's been done a million times and done better. People discuss the logic of the show because it's so baffling.

Just because you see where they're going with something (or in this case, see what they're trying to do), doesn't mean you have to like it.

He needed to meet with someone who shared his upbringing,,,albeit on a more Earthly level.

How the fuck did ishikei get away with this.

Squid-girl looks Yandere

CUTE

I mean, would YOU turn into a squidhuman?

I watched it as it aired back in the day, it didn't really leave much of an impression tho & haven't rewatched it. Girls and designs were cute, but not much else I remember or think about it

phew! though as much as I like those designs I'm so glad the show at least avoided harem land

>literally the apex of evolution
>can survive in outerspace
>strong enough to fight back against super-futuristic weapons
>girls are this cute


Of fucking course

No, never. I am unironically a fan of man. The squidmans gave up on humanity and became something else forever cut off from the potential we've got in exchange for the whole hive and biological adaptability thing. That's not something I can agree with.

Yeah, but poor, poor Myrika.