Will traditional fantasy ever return to anime??

No magic schools, not technomagic, no RPG parody, not isekai, just a group of fellas in an epic quest.

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I hate when Japs try to do western fantasy.

I hope so

Well, its even worse when they do Japanese fantasy.
I mean, when they do western fantasy always takes place on original worlds but when they do a fantasy work inspired on japan it always takes place in Japan or some alternate version of Japan. For some reason there are not original worlds based on medieval Japan, just Japan

>just a group of fellas in an epic quest.
As long as there's fantasy anime pussy for them to slay, I'd be good with it.

read Dungeon Meshi

Queen's Blade will have a new season soon.

well medieval europe was spread out and you can match the feel of a work with different regions from spain to scandinavia
japan is just japan, that might be it

I feel like Berserk falls pretty neatly into the given criteria here.

Nice rec thread, faggot.

There's a pretty straight fantasy show airing this season. Why does that not count?
>traditional fantasy
Meaning what? Gilgamesh? Folk tales? LotR? Narnia? D&D?
Also bear in mind that you're literally complaining that anime isn't bland and generic enough.

>you're literally complaining that anime isn't bland and generic enough.
Not that user, but
>implying fantasy genre is bland and generic
Maybe if you don't like the fantasy genre; for people that do like it, it's plenty interesting and fun. Sucks to be (You).

There is so much edgy low fantasy that it's the new bland and generic. Traditional epic stories are somewhat rare these days.

>fantasy
>no magic

No, the problem is that asking for "traditional" fantasy always seems to mean "I want the exact same thing I've seen a dozen times before". It's literally asking for bland and generic.

>No magic schools, not technomagic, no RPG parody, not isekai, just a group of fellas in an epic quest.
That type of anime still exists though it's shounenshit.

>fantasy
>too much magic

Granblue Fantasy was pretty recent.

Made in Abyss is a fantasy, isn't it?

Well, "traditional" fantasy is generally defined within a limited set of visual elements, themes, memes, tropes, character types, and such. And if you're not staying within that limited set, you're not doing "traditional" fantasy, you're doing some other kind of fantasy. So yeah, you're not likely to get anything different as long as you stay within the realm of "traditional" fantasy. So the problem isn't with them, it's with (You). If you don't want "traditional" fantasy and its limited set of things, then go find another genre and let fans of "traditional" fantasy enjoy it in peace with spergs such as (You) sperging out about it not being whatever you want.

Yes and it was great. Unfortunately the threads on Sup Forums for it are absolute garbage.

>*without spergs such as

Fairy Tail

What? I'm not the one complaining about what gets made (or not).
>And if you're not staying within that limited set, you're not doing "traditional" fantasy
Hence my question: what tradition? Because there are a lot of them.
If none of the fantasy being made meets your criteria, the problem is probably that you want an incredibly specific thing that there's not much of a market for. Which is why no one is making it.

It's not like they stopped making them, there's an anime airing this season with none of those elements. Games have always been more fantasy-focused so look into that.

OP apparently wants "traditional fantasy", which is a blatant D&D ripoff with elves, dwarves, swords, character classes, magic schools, etc...

... but somehow not like an RPG or with magic schools.

No, I think OP wants something like the elves hentai, look at the OP's picture.

I just want an anime about a severely autistic hero genociding gobbos.

When was the last time an anime had a dragon or something as a legit threat, that also didn't rely on some bullshit deus-ex machina to kill? Just straight up hard work, and surviving by the skin of your teeth?

>isekai
is all they can do and it also sells the best to boot.

When has that ever happened?

Grancrest is airing now.

>not isekai
>just a group of friends doing a quest

gate

Basically RG Veda or Lodoss? so..."traditional fantasy".

We have Grandcest this season. A couple of seasons ago we had that one with the weretiger also we had pic related.
But is true there is no much of that in general, usually includes some form of bastardization. Thanks god there are some really good manga in that line like Meshi.

Yes, it was fantasy, and it was awesome fantasy. But wouldn't call it "traditional fantasy".
Is not that not classic fantasy is bad. There is great stuff out there, even some isekai are watchable. But that doesn't change the fact that there is very litlle classic fantasy.

Bahamut?

Here's a Dragon-God
:^)

Lodoss War

>Lodoss
IT'S LITERALLY A DnD GAME ADAPTATION.

There's so much low fantasy and modern fantasy in the West that isekai and sci-fi fantasy is nonironically a breath of fresh air everywhere BUT Japan.

Thanks to the anime

> no RPG parody

Are you talking about explicit refferences to RPG-style mechanics existing 'in-universe' like Konosuba or basing stuff of RPGs in general? Because Record of the Lodoss War is generally seen as a "traditional fantasy" anime and that was based off a table-top RPG campaign the author of the original books played in

Isekai is exactly that. Either try to adapt or fuck off it ain't going anywhere and neither will anybody be interested in adapting 'traditional' boring fantasy once Grancrest Bombs.

There's literally nothing wrong with technomagic

Any modern westernn isekai to share?

If only for transportation or explicitly ancient technology that can't be mass produced then yes.

If it's at the point we have magitek roaming around like those steampunk armors in Final Fantasy VI then it's a problem

That's not a good reason, that's like saying all fantasy novels are based directly on some European town, which isn't the case. It's more likely that the creators of the Japanese creators of fantasy lack creativity when it comes to world building.
Record of the Lodoss war was nice though, shame it was so short.

>the creators of the Japanese creators of fantasy lack creativity when it comes to world building.
>praises a different japanese series in the same post

That isn't what it means at all retard, and if we're talking about "bland and generic" how are all the isekai being churned out right now not bland and generic?
I didn't say "all nips can't world build" bud

Its kind of curious how fantasy progressed.

1. Fantasy is created as visual media (books, films, comics)
2.To translate this short of stuff to the pen and paper games RPG rules and systems appear
3. Those rules are adapted to work in videogames
4. The classic visual media that started all (books, comics, films) now take as base for the works those rules and systems that were born just to translate the original fantasy.

Dark tower? Sword of Truth?

DM feels like a game, though.

literally grancrest my man

And now it's all just meta shit and porn

Even "serious" fantasy like Goblin Slayer are just glorifies isekai

>Goblin slayer
>Isekai

>GS
>isekai
filthy goblin

So what does it mean? Because fantasy has a lot of traditions. Which ones count as "traditional"?
And I never claimed most isekai weren't horribly generic.
Or even that being generic is bad. If that's what you want then fine. But good luck getting it.

>Wow he is a Silver level hunter but only takes quests for killing goblins!

>literally has a page where the gods straight up play d&d
>hurr durr its isekai
i swear to god
I FUCKING SWEAR
MOVE THE GOAL POSTS AGAIN MOTHERFUCKER

ITs way to overpowered, it kinds of kill the sense of danger, or makes the scale way too big.
When it is medieval fantasy, a dragon is dangerous because is a giant lizard that spit fires and everything you have is swords and arrows, and the mages the best thing can do is throw fireballs or ice spikes.

Contemporary fantasy and technomagic always take things too far, like character can tergiverse the rules of casuality or tear the frabric of reality, summon the concept of time or desintegrate things just by looking at them.
Old school magic tends to be less overpowered

>... but somehow not like an RPG or with magic schools.
Because Exalted isn't traditional fantasy. How hard is this for other people to understand? I knew what he meant.

That's why I said it's a glorified isekai

>Wow it uses every single isekai trope but it's not literally a virtual world so it's nothing like isekai, derparep

>d&d
>isekai troupe
this better be bait my man

Those are rpg and DnD themes not isekai how fucking high are you?

I still don't. Can one of you explain it?

>Maybe if you don't like the fantasy genre; for people that do like it, it's plenty interesting and fun. Sucks to be (You).
And evidently for nips isekai, magic schools and technomagic are fun too. You are just throwing a fit because their generic bland garbage is not the kind of generic bland garbage you like. Which seems pretty childish to me.

I can't speak for OP but personally what it means to me is High Fantasy. The majority of what we get in anime tends to be low fantasy meaning things that differ slightly from the real world, alternative world, ect. However in anime they seem to take it a step farther by just making it (not)-feudal Japan except with magic and modern amenities.
Anyways to me "traditional fantasy" means elves, dwarves, and humans, other fantasy races, a looming threat that a group of heroes need to ban together to stop and a journey and or adventure.
That's just an example, it can also mean literally anything within a traditional setting, a group of mercenaries going about their lives, elves defending their homeland, dwarves driving out gobbos, politics, whatever, traditional rpgs arent about the traditions so much as the setting, which is true for most genres.

No it fucking doesn't.

>>literally has a page where the gods straight up play d&d
I hate that page. Because I understand what the author wants to tell "he prepares, he doesn't leave things to luck" but the feeling that gives the actual story is the complete oposite, every single action he takes has the best result possible while every single action everyone else does backfires regardless of it being a bad decission or not.

If GS was any other character those smoke bombs would explode in his hand amd then he would be raped.

It baffles me that there is no Warhammer anime out yet

One of the recommended settings for dragon blooded exalts is literally a high school where the children go through tournament arcs to prepare to fight the much more badass things around. This is in its core rulebook.

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Have fun reading its backstory sometime.

He's only silver rank because of the sheer amount of goblin quests he's taken and number of people he's helped by taking them, not because he's super strong. In a direct fight against a non-goblin he usually gets his ass beat and has to do shit like he did against the not!hobbit.

This. They always have talisman or mind magic that work as mobile phones, everyone dress the fucking same way and have the same buildings everywhere. The elves are just humans with long ears. Everything is just like a contemporary city, but is "medieval"

Okay. But the last proper berserk adaptation aired over 20 years ago. The movies were just a budget version of that and that's it. There is no other Berserk anime. At all. None. Also the manga has turned into an outlet for Miura's Idolmaster fanfiction. Berserk has entirely ceased to exist.

I really hope it does... but I thin it's doubtful for the foreseeable future.

So something that feels like a D&D game? Or something set in a world based closely on Middle Earth?

you deserve a 30 day ban for saying d&d is a isekai thing you bloody newfag

I miss the more worn, lived-in aesthetic. Fantasy settings nowdays are either too grim dark, or too shiny. There's no warmth.

It feels like someone who tries their hardest to not make it seem like a game, while at the same time having no idea about fantasy outside of RPGs.

Middle Earth is low fantasy. Very low fantasy at that.

Why do you keep using those two examples? I seriously can't tell if you're being intentionally dense or if those are the only fantasy anythings you know.

>real world works on RPG videogame tropes, the protagonist is an all-powerful self-insert with his own harem, but it's not isekai because I like it

I liked the CG series just fine.

They were going that way anyways. Even before the anime was announced and we started getting daily threads and everyone started throwing the word speedreader around that was it.

We get fantasy anime like that almost every season. Do you just not watch anime?

To be fair, he got owned and nearly killed his first mission. The whole ''leaves nothing to luck'' really started only when he used a bag to drink the contents of broken potions, and during his first nest raid he kept getting surprised and screwed by things getting worse and worse. By the time the main story begins, he now has learned with his own adventures and keeps doing everything to really never leave anything to chance. He isn't just being smart, he is more of a single-minded paranoid autist.

Make him face anything that isn't a goblin or some higher tier opponent and his equipment won't do much and he gets into serious trouble, such as nearly getting killed by Ogre and his shield being cleaved by Goblin Lord - two opponents he killed by unconventional methods, but who stronger adventures used to those situations would probably also shine in them either with strength or intelligence

The definitions of "high fantasy" I'm familiar with are:
>explicitly set in a world other than earth;
>based on an epic conflict between good and evil.
Middle Earth fits both. What definition are you using?
Because they're the most common things that seem to be related to the sort of fantasy under discussion? Please mention something more relevant if those aren't satisfactory.

>get his shit kicked in when not fighting gobs
>self inserting as a fucking madman that wants to kill goblins until he falls dead
>harem when the only thing he wants is TO KILL GOBLINS
>saying its isekai WHEN HE WAS BORN IN THE WORD
POST IT AGAIN AND I'LL RAIN DOWN UNHOLY FURY ON YOU CUNT

For your sake, I hope you have higher standards in other aspects of your life.

How much manga/anime in the vein of Tokien, Morecock and Howard did Japan ever produce, anyway?

Then go read more books you fucking brainlet

>Middle Earth fits both. What definition are you using?
The correct one.

Because the Western authors who shaped Western fantasy in the 20th century never really reached Japan, they only got a derivative of them in the shape of a D&D game.

>Goblin Slayer
>isekai

You keep using that word

>based on an epic conflict between good and evil.
Middle Earth fits both. What definition are you using?
>The definitions of "high fantasy" I'm familiar with are:
>Because they're the most common things that seem to be related to the sort of fantasy under discussion?

Those aren't definitions of High Fantasy, you're legitimately retarded.

>MC is an all powerful self insert
>Autistic, obsessive, broken man who has difficulty conveying any sort of idea without relating it to goblins in some way.
>Gets his ass beaten by a lower ranked midget and has to play dead and stab him in the back like a coward.

And it's not isekai because there's no traveling to another world. That's what defines something as isekai. "Isekai" even means "other world".

GATE, the dragon had a whole arc and was threatening to most of the cast and a calamity to people in their own world.

In pure Japanese fantasy they are just used as props to make the protag look good sadly, at least by LN and WN standards.

How old are you and have you actually read the manga? I have a hard time believing a fan of the manga who grew up before CG was common place could be served a steaming pile of shit, not once, but TWICE, and still be complacent enough to say they enjoyed it.

Traditional fantasy hasn't even returned to mainstream. Recent things are simply a gorefest.

>Those aren't definitions of High Fantasy
Not him, but those are some of the most common definitions of high vs low fantasy, not that there exists anything approaching a consensus or like the dichotomy isn't completely pointless.

I couldny have put it in a better way, what I find more stupid sometimes, is that the whole setting ususlly is somekind of medieval europe, but the castles have a lot of japan only stuff on them, tatami, katanas, shinto stuff