Shonen Jump 1968 - 1973

I'm creating these days 10 threads for 5 years period of Shonen Jump

I'm now commenting the most important mangas of the period

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>mangas

>First Jump success
>Made Jump's readership to reach 1 million
>Author was visited by fujoshis all time
>Was the manga that made Saint Seiya author to become a mangaka
>Author was Hiroshi Motomiya (Salaryman Kintarou)
>Plot: the adventures of Mankichi Togawa in his quest of becoming Japan's number 1 gang leader
>20 volumes
>First Jump manga to get anime TV series

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OTOKO IPPIKI GAKI-DAISHO

Forgot to add its name

HARENCHI GAKUEN
>The father of ecchi and hentai
>By Go Nagai the madman
>Plot: madness in school with pervert students and even more pervert teachers
>In one chapter Go Nagai killed all the cast, then resurrected it
>PTA wanted to kill the manga

Forgot to comment how Hiroshi Motomiya finished early the manga with no conclusion because he fall in love with a girl. He didn't get the girl, and Jump editors managed to convince him to finish the manga

DOKONJO GAERU

>Plot: Hiroshi falls for accident over a frog called Pyonchiki. The frog resurrects into his shirt. Both of them become like brothers, always fighting between themselves, and helping between themselves like friends.
>27 volumes
>First Jump successful comedy
>First anime to get outside Japan

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SAMURAI GIANTS

>First Jump successful sports manga
>By Ashita no Joe author
>Plot: Ban Banba is a baseball prodigy who gets scouted by Samurai Giants

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> He didn't get the girl
That's pretty sad.

Bumping because I want to see this continued

KOYA NO SHONEN ISAMU

>By Star of the Giants artist
>Plot: Western of wildness and survival
>12 volumes

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ASTRO KYUDAN

>Plot: nine guys with superpowers and a star mark who are linked to become the best baseball team ever
>First Jump manga with superpowers or something similar (for better understanding: this is the Inazuma Eleven of baseball)

This is pretty awesome but I have to ask.
Why do you know all this OP?
How long is your neckbeard?

Well, at least one Banba was succesful.

MAZINGER Z

>First Jump title to be iconic outside Japan (who here doesn't freaking know Mazinger Z?)
>Plot: Koji Kabuto drives the mecha Mazinger Z and fights against Dr.Hell and his minions
>By Go Nagai
>It generally isn't considered as a Jump manga since Kodansha got Nagai and there was ugly stuff between Shueisha and Nagai
>Still, it was born in Jump

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HADASHI NO GEN

>Plot: story of Hiroshima days before atomic bomb in World War II
>Manga was way realistic and harsh, making it controversial

That's all for now. Play Ball and Hochonen Ajihei entered in second half of 1973, so I prefer to have them in the 1974-1978 thread I'll create tomorrow

In resume, big hits of first 5 years of Jump:
>Otoko Ippiki Gaki-Daisho (first Jump success, the manga that gave over 1 million readers to Jump and made possible Saint Seiya)
>Harenchi Gakuen
>Dokonjo Gaeru (please, I hope someone knows Pyonchiki)
>Samurai Giants
>Koya no Shonen Isamu
>Astro Kyudan
>Mazinger Z
>Hadashi no Gen

Honorable mentions to Manga Drifters and Toilet Hakase

So, let's discuss first Jump 5 years and its first mangas

>Hiroshi falls for accident over a frog called Pyonchiki
What?

Why do these manga all have an ugly artstyle.
>thick eyebrows
>no detail
>round heads

Harenchi Gakuen Cumbaby when?

I remember my older brothers watched Mazinger Z reruns on local tv when they were little. I never got to watch it until I was in my teens. Good times.

Forgot to say: Isamu was the big push of Jump in beginning of 70s. He was in a lot of Jump covers at the time.

What I really like about this period (and even into the 80's to some degree) is how you can see the iconic characteristics of manga coming to form and starting to become very distinguishable from western comics even though you here still see much likeness.

Pleb

Man I just really can't get into the artstyles of older manga at all.

You guys can see the openings of the TV series in each title entry

Fun fact: 1973-1978 will be the dark period with no animes (Kochikame got its anime in 90s and Play Ball in 00s)

Yeah and there's no individuality. Everyone just dickriding off everyone elses artstyle.
Despite that I wanna read otoko ippiki, harenchi gakuen, and samurai giants

>Author was visited by fujoshis all time
Must have been awkward

Whatever happened in that time period?

I think Isamu had cool art (again, Star of the Giants same artist). Otoko Ippiki Gaki-Daisho had also very decent art

TV anime series was still not a thing (despite this period getting 5 anime series which was fairly decent). Hell, even Ring no Kakero didn't get its anime until 00s. Boom happened in 1980-81.

Is your memory all right user?

Meant to instead

Did anyone watch the Gutsy Frog in their country? That's Dokonjo Gaeru

Sounds like a tough read. (Emotionally)
Thanks for the info, OP

Barefoot Gen? The anime is kinda popular.

How did the battle shounen genre was created?
I guess it started as delinquent manga with superpowers.

Someone said not long ago that all Otoko raw volumes were available, weren't they?

>TV anime series was still not a thing
you mean Jump adaptations right?

What was the first wacky superpower "I gotta become "the number one"" battle manga?

Otoko Ipikki Gaki-Daisho was the first action and battle manga. Still, it was realistic, like Shonen Isamu or Doberman Deka. If you want to include superpowers, then Ring no Kakero and then Kinnikuman and Hokuto no Ken

There were more sports manga in 70s (almost all of them were baseball, then Circuit no Ookami which was Initial D precursor)

Maybe Astro Kyudan if you think sports mangas as battle mangas.

As for battle mangas, Otoko Ipikki Gaki-Daisho is the first one with ''I gotta become the number one'', but no superpowers. If we count superpowers, then Ring no Kakero or Kinnikuman.

This was pretty interesting user, thanks for sharing

Every litte while there are good threads on Sup Forums.
This is one of them. I'm looking forward to the rest of the threads user.

Welp, is true. The complete manga of Otoko Ippiki Gaki-Daisho is in internet.

A pity there isn't any scanlation

Dunno what the hell is happening, but Otoko looks interesting so far

>A pity there isn't any scanlation

We need to learn the runes user, it's the only path left and we all know it.

I remember it in spanish dub

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Allegedly the first 'delinquent' manga.

>Yeah and there's no individuality. Everyone just dickriding off everyone elses artstyle.

As has been the norm in manga for the past 30 years? Literally manga artists grow drawing generic manga art style at this point, many don't even go through basic drawing fundamentals like anatomy and whatnot because they just stick to the same old generic style.

Reason why side mouths and over the hair eyes are even a thing, because they're all just copying what they grew up reading. And this inbreeding has only gotten worse and worse over the years.

Honestly I’d be more interested in seeing the history of shoujo manga. The 70s seemed to have a lot going on artistically and story wise. Weren’t a lot of the girls comics artists inspired by French movies at the time?

Dokonjo Gaeru is based as fuck.

Super hero baseball team? That actually sounds interesting!

dang I want to read this
Pretty nice angles

Would a Harenchi Gakuen anime work these days? I mean, we got Mazinger Infinity and we are getting another Cutey Honey anime later this year.

Harenchi Gakuen's lewdness is extremely overstated. Fucking Ranma is lewder.

There's an OVA. It's not that great.

I have nothing to contribute yet, but this is a great thread idea. Look forward to seeing what info you dump.

Can we get obscure and cancelled ones also?

I imagine it'd be harder to get info on those.

why do westerns never succeed or last long?

So is this like the series that basically founded the formula of the jump system and a modular framework for fist of the north star and other antecessors also? The one that started it all and everything basically follows after also?

And the author's still active. He drew a portion of the cover for Jump's 50th anniversary last year.

Dude, thanks for organizing and putting this together. This is something new and cool for me to learn and grow from. I never heard about or even bothered to come across cool stuff like this that eventually came to contribute to today's material. I'd like to read and watch these if available.

At least I have something new to read with Kotarou and other interesting obscure reads that's new to me.

I wouldn't call Gutsy Frog, Barefoot Gen, or any Nagai manga "obscure."

wow I forgot mazinger was apart of shonen jump

oh fuck I read this on a whim when I was in the library once.

But that's new to me. I never heard of Gutsy Frog, but I would hear Barefoot Gen once in a while, it's also new to me. Go Nagai, I know of because he's popular. I've read some of his stuff, but not all. I'm still cutting through him, Tezuka and Ishinomori.

It was the 50'-60's, manga industry was just getting started.

This thread is very interesting, thank you. For future entries, can you say when each individual manga started?

>Toilet Hakase
what the fuck

Where did you get this from? Does this even make sense? He was working on another manga in the magazine the entire time Otoko was not running. He never stopped working. If anything, they forced him to end his other series to return to this one because it was a bigger hit.

I read the manga and the resurrection part isn't really true. You never see any of the characters killed except for one who was a ninja so you can stretch the truth a but and just assume she survived the massacre somehow.

Yes, I have them, but I don't where I got them

I also have all of Isamu and Astro Kyudan and Harenchi Gakuen

They must have all been easy to get since I don't have any secret accounts to databases or anything

I have Harenchi Gakuen somewhere. It's fun.

Scanlations when?

To be honest, it's exactly this era of manga that inspires me to learn Japanese because I know it will never get scanlated

Astro is the shit

To be fair, it's totally something that could have been changed in context in the collections

I believe the reason it's considered killing is the killing chapter was originally the end of the series but then it came back a few months later

There's a number of groups working on classics from this era, though. Getter Robo is fully scanlated I believe.

Also, as another contradiction to this claim, Motomiya was already with the wife he still has back then, and they had kids, so he couldn't have "not got her"

I mean, at that time one of his assistants (Yoshihiro Takahashi) was using a penname that combined Motomiya and his wife's name with Takahashi's

I have the first volume of this somewhere but I don’t think anyone cares enough to scanlate it.

How come every single main character in these manga's looks the same? They are all black haired round faced men with decently bushy eyebrows, was it just because it was early and they were trying new things out or was this legitimately an art style?

No what I meant is that you don't see them again after their death scenes sorry about that I'm really sleepy right now and can't into English for some reason.
And you're right about it being the final chapter but then the series resuming.

People work as assistants for other artists and end up having styles similar to them, people are influenced by each other, it was still a growing industry back then

Also, maybe it's because back then they were still just used to Japanese hair color as being normal

It was the second generation of Tezuka-inspired artists. They all pretty much learned what comics looked like from the same source.

Someone has to break down the barriers for everyone else, but yeah, Harenchi is like a predecessor to Jump gag manga like Tar-chan or Inumarudashii, it's nudity for gags

Is that why even manga in general relative to their generation are basically about the same?

I'm not downplaying its importance, but someone reading it for the first time today is just going to find a kinda mild and tame ecchi series. This is probably part of the reason there's not that much interest in scanlating it.

There's nothing wrong with appreciating the classics from where today's successful pioneers take reference from. You have to appreciate them to understand why and how we got to where we're at today with it in the first place.

They probably got away with it cuz Rumiko is a girl and apparently its ok for women to draw naked girls.

You're right, but this is just a problem in all mediums, modern fans are too stupid to appreciate seeing the stuff that inspired what they like

I think there's also a problem in the case of Harenchi of people wanting explicit sex but not getting that the whole manga is also a critique of the society it was made in (and then there's the whole context it is the teachers who are perving on the students)

Nagai seems to be getting a boost in popularity, so hopefully soon.

good shit user, thanks

Isamu and before that Harenchi Gakuen got licensed in Italy somewhat recently. Hoping for either of these two next since they look so nice.

Finally a reason to post this

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Jump's Big 3 since the beginning until 2007

I wish videos like this had citations because there are inherently fishy stats, like right from the start, how the fuck is it judging the ranking of the top 3 for 1968 and the first half of 1969 when not a single Jump series had ever been collected yet, it seems it's giving an edge to Chichi because it started first even though Harenchi and Otoko had a million times the influence and covers (it's also not going by rankings since that system wasn't in place yet and Chichi almost always appeared at the back)

One last bump for the night.

Not as much cultural resonance with Japan, probably. But 12 volumes is a reasonably long run, people's perception of what is "long lasting" is completely distorted by more recent series that ran way longer than they should have.

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I'd really love to get Otoko scanlated. I've been reading the raw without understanding nothing, still, looks very interesting so far.

Would be nice to get Isamu also scanlated.

People also forget 12 volumes back then was also much more than anything now, some of the biggest names in manga history from that time virtually never did a series for more than 12 volumes (like Tezuka or Nagai)

Nowadays a middling series gets to be 60 volumes long anyway

Also, the author of Isamu was a huge deal at the time so it's more than likely he was offered a better deal somewhere else since he did series of similar length for several of the weekly shonen mags at the time, nobody seems to consider not every author wants to dedicate their life to one manga until its completely bankrupt and just trudging along