Monogatari

Now that Oishi is free, is he going to take the Monogatari series back and finally save it?

It doesn't require saving.

>Oishi is free
He was busy with something?

Wasnt he the dude who made Kizu?

Owari2 saved the Monogatari series.

Anyway it'd be nice if Oishi directed Shinobumonogatari

He directed both Bake and Kizu.

Wait, is he doing Zoku???

No Zoku will be cheap Itamura crap.

Monogatari was shit. Only part of nize was good, and kizemonogatari

Monster Season adaptation by Oishi? There is no way. Only the first book of MS is out and Nisio doesn't want to release the next.
It will take 2 or 3 years to finish MS. By that time monogatari anime will be dead.

>Nisio doesn't want to release the next.
Wait, why?

Where is it? Monogatari books are coming out every 6 months.

Would you rather Oishi do non-Monogatari, or take over Monogatari?

Oishi's crappy scenery porn and stretching out single paragraph scenes in the source material out over entire episodes due to not knowing how to pace anything (in general, not just in this series) was awful though. Dunno why it's the sub-par visuals that this series gets attention for instead of just Shaft's top tier taste in VAs and music. Even Bake looked like shit for all but the same 3-4 scenes people always refer to when saying it looked good, even after the BDs tried to fix the 'quality' present everywhere in the tv run.

I'd like it more if he did something else. He is too talented to remain attached to only one series.

He was involved in Bake, but Shinbo was more so. I know that Shinbo has his name slapped onto every part of Monogatari, but I say this as someone who has watched literally everything his name is attached to, there is way more of his style in Bake than there is in any other part of Monogatari.

Bake and Kizu are the best parts of the series.

No they aren't.

user please. Itamura is shit.

Even if that were true Nisio's writing was just better from S2 onwards.

Come on, user, I love Oishi as much as the next guy, but Itamura isn't a bad director.

Kizu is the best book. Nisio will never write something better. He can't since 2008.

>Save it
It's not very good. If I had to give it a number score, I'd say 7/10.

Pleb.

Itamura directed Nise, one of the top 3 parts of Monogatari visually. Sure, he also directed SS and Owari 2, the worst parts of the series visually, but they were both cheaper, possibly had production issues, and were outsourced a lot. I don't think it has to dow ith his ability as a director.

Sodachi Fiasco is the best thing Nisio has written since early Zaregoto, and it was 2015.

Proofs?

I have none. No one has any proof regarding what Shinbo has actually had influence over, given that Shaft lists him as "chief director" for literally everything. I'm just going from my own knowledge as someone who has gone out of his way to try and watch everything credited to Shinbo.

But Nise was visually unremarkable. Only the animation was great.

Good since zokuowari and off-season is crazier and less serious than most of Monogatari. Hopefully he is inspired when visually adapting Sodachi's headspace.

user, I love Sodachi, she is a very good character but Sodachi Fiasco is nowhere near Kizu. Kizu is the one of the most important parts of monogatari. And it's a fucking masterpiece. It's beautiful.

Animation is movement. Directing movement is a big part of being a director. Outside of anime, it is widely considered the most important part of being a director. Besides that, I do think Nise has more going for it than animation. It's imagery, shot composition, and especially colour design are all great.

Yeah, Fiasco is the part I'm most worried about when it comes to adaptation. There's so much room for the experimentation Shaft is known for there, I'm sure the guys working on 3-gatsu could do it justice, but I really don't know if I can trust the current Monogatari team anymore. If it looks as cheap and uninspired as Owari 2, I might just quit watching the anime.

Kizu is great for capturing the classic, chic urban fantasy style of teen fiction that made light novels popular in the first place, and it forms the basis of 3 of the series' most important characters. But it's nowhere near as emotionally powerful or narratively experimental as Fiasco, which are the things that place Nisio above the rest of the crowd in the first place.

This, Itamura didn't start coming into his own until Hana.

Soadachi Fiasco isn't the first Nisio's story about some crazy person, right? But Kizu is unique. Damn, Kissshot probably is the best vampire in anime/LN. Do you know a story about vampires better than Kizu?

Let the Right One In

True, Fiasco is somewhat similar to the early parts of Zaregoto, especially Strangulation Romanticist in how it deals with heavy emotions and states of mind. But I think it's better than it for two reasons.
First is that it's way more dedicated to its emotions and has little else going on. Nisio's main problem as a writer is that he's always trying to do too much at once and a lot of what he does becomes messy. But Fiasco is a story about Sodachi being depressed and isolated... and is 90% just descriptions of Sodachi's depressed thoughts while she's all alone. It has a loose storyline, but it's really not dramatic and is spread out over long periods of just raw emotion. There's no vampires, no murders, no romance, no adventure, and ultimately no salvation.
Second is exactly what I just said. Most of Monogatari is an adventure, filed with monsters, and sexuality, and battles, and friendship, and ultimately hope. Fiasco is such a massive break from that. It's about realistic emotions that can't be sorted easily, and aren't. By the end of the story, Sodachi is no better off than at the start. It fucking ends with her getting all tsundere excited because she thinks Araragi has come to visit her, then it turning out to just be her drunken,
violent dad come to fight with her foster parents. That kind of story just slapped right in the middle of Monogatari hits like a freight train.

And no, you're right, Kizu is a fucking perfectly crafted urban fantasy battle story, but I don't think it's anywhere near as special as Fiasco.

Then we should call Fiasco "something new, different, unusual". It's not "the best story", it just stands out.

I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Nisio's actiove decision to make Fiasco different are part of why it's the best.