Is he right about Japanese heroes?

Is he right about Japanese heroes?

Explain the current Iseaki fad then.
>You know realize that Naruto dream was being a goverment agent

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All isekai have a guild, commonly know as "adventurer's guild", in wicj mc have to REGISTER to be ALLOWED to go on adventures and keep TRACK of his achivements and to PROMOTE them accordingly.

Surprise surprise, it does not work like western guilds but more like coorporations, just like way of life of japanese office workers.

Why does Ironman have an afro helmet?

Adventurer’s guilds are so fucking retarded. Where are the opportunistic bandits huh

Cuz thats warmachine

Yakuza = criminal = bandit = anyone who disturbs peace

It's an oversimplification, but yeah that does seem to be the general motifs.

Speaking in broad strokes probably, but there's always exceptions. Americans are suckers for cop dramas just as much as Japs are, and there's plenty of anime/manga where the main hero doesn't work for some government or organization or, if they do, they're reluctant to work for it.

Yea but even the cop dramas it's never a story about a normal cop. It's usually about guys who push the boundaries/goes against the rules to get results. The only excepting being Law and Order original series and maybe SVU.

Both types exist in both cultures, but I'd say that's correct about which is more heavily represented.

Sometimes, and sometimes not. A lot of times what happens is that a show will do both. Criminal Minds, CSI, Bones, etc. will definitely have episodes or subplot that involve the characters pushing boundaries, but they play mostly by the book a lot of time too.

Yeah, that's why the West is being raped by third-world filth right now.

>Is he right about Japanese heroes?
who is "he"?

A Japanese rich kid living in America. He's from a series called "Investor Z", a surprisingly educational series about the world of economics. He's talking about why hedge fund investors are seen badly in Japan but well in America.

This explains My Hero Academia. It's clearly based on American superhero comics, yet everyone is a registered government agent payed with taxpayer money, same with One-Punch Man. In American superhero comics, almost none of them work for the government, and the government trying to control them is usually portrayed as a bad thing.

> Is he right about Japanese heroes?
Not really, the master-less ronin is a far more popular hero archetype in japan than the actual samurai, most of toku heroes don't tend to have any affiliation with the Government either, and the typical shounen MC is almost always somewhat of a rebel.

thanks user
they're not heroes, they're pirates

What the fuck is going on here?

>They're not heroes
My butthole they're not heroes.
And it's made all the worse by the fact that there's like only 4 Naval characters that are apparently good people and most the time they're running interference for the Straw Hats.

The Navy may not be good, but the "rightful" rulers of nations are. Vivi, Dalton, Iceberg, Neptune, Riku, Momonosuke...are all government officials that the Strawhats help out.

Particularly in the case of team-based cop dramas, they have characters on each side of the lawful/rebellious spectrum to play off each other.
Criminal Minds you get Hotch and Morgan, later seasons put Rossi and Galvez (sic?)
SVU have Benson and Stabler/Ice T/Amaro, later Caricci and Rollins, plus the eternal ADA vs cop tug-of-war, especially in later episodes with Barba when they want to tackle some controversial thing ripped from the headlines.

asia has less individualism then west. thats obvious and simply explained.

when west started trading with asia all the chinese and japanese were like "this western technology is awesome BUT westerners themselves, their culture and manners are garbage and nowhere near our own marvelous societies". to this day east asian companies work by observing west, checking what works, then flooding market with "sure thing". there is even word economist use to refer to that but i forgot.

while chinese had their revolutions and mao assraped chinese culture for communism, japan still keeps the same mindset they had for centuries.
look at their society. in the old days when japan was ruled by shogun and was military dictatorship, samurais had absolute power over lower castes, trading was "for peasants". traders couldnt defend themselves from samurais so they formed guilds and hired bandits as mercenaries to fight against the government. ultimately this etup become the Yakuza. later on after meiji restoration where samurai were replaced by peasants with guns they were suddenly allowed to become traders. they started using their vast estates to create corporations. this gave birth to the "salaryman/office lady" style of life, as peasants flooded to "work for nobility" and to this day rich businessman are treated in japan as nobles. check out all the major industries in japan, not electronics but food and everyday stuff that is mostly sold in country alone. most of them have samurai roots going back centuries.
those traders who created yakuza on the other hand, after samurai took over big business, being well... yakuza. and they mostly own all the small or "inappropriate" business.
in japan yakuza never dares pick a fight with big corporations, they know their place and like everyone else, are afraid of "nobility".

Yeah, there's also their obsession with not standing out or straying from the norm.

What? How is this based on anything? It's easier to think of examples that go against both things than for them.

American heroes are almost always grouped in teams and large agencies and just one cog in a corrupt organization. Japanese heroes are rebels and people who just do whatever they want and don't answer to anyone.

One thing I do find interesting (though maybe it's not true for most of Japan and just happens in manga) is that for real life heroes, for the American civil war there's half the country who thinks of the Confederates as heroes and half thinks of the Union as heroes but in Japan, both the Shinsengumi and the Kiheitai are honored as heroes in media despite being on opposing sides during their civil war.

japan train of thoughts is "Japan is perfect country, our people the greatest, our culture magnificent." if there is a problem they look away hoping it disappears because clearly its some anomaly.
example: delinquent culture. in asia in general parents expect a lot of their children, school years is longer then almost anywhere on earth, their classes run till like 4pm every day and many school have mandatory club activities to "keep children of the streets or of computers/games/harmful content" after school parents sent them to cram school then they go home to do homework. they are stressed as fuck and those children that arent born too smart and cant keep up rebel. and parents and teacher instead of helping them go "this failure couldnt make it, lets ignore him, he will leave someday hopefully." they tend to ignore delinquency and bullying etc. because they dont want to acknowledge "those failure" even exist.

That's because the American Civil War can be in no way compared to the Boshin War.

It's a general rule, and keep in mind that this is talking about Japanese media in general. We are only exposed to Anime and Manga, but Japan also has their own movies, TV shows and novels that also have heroes.

>in no way
I didn't mean to rustle your jimmies

You can obviously contrast them like how in Japan the rebels won and the death toll was lower but in the moment it was the same thing of two groups who wanted the country to go in completely different directions killing each other and changing the course of the country's history

It really is a very big contrast in how they view their own pasts because I doubt the people killing each other at the time during the Boshin War would imagine being viewed as being just as heroic as the people they fought

We need an isekai where a group of Yakuza get transported to a fantasy world

For actual proper superhero types, Kamen Rider is initially a lone wolf.

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Well, it's a stupid generalization that clearly is entirely opposed to comics/manga and only applies to other forms of media or it's only talking about caped heroes for Japan and not caped heroes for America

American comics are often entirely against the idea of individuality, which is why all their heroes are just people taking up someone else's mantle or joining up some established team, very few American characters are more important (in their universe and ours) than the organization or mantle they've taken on

Like Wolverine is one of the most famous comic characters ever, but the X-Men are more famous

Meanwhile, because manga are all owned by the creators, every manga hero is the hero of their own universe and the individual that the whole world revolves around, nobody is just a fourth-string Avenger

The assumption about Japan has to be based on the notion that it is disregarding Japan's most popular heroes because in America they wouldn't be regarded as heroes or some shit but the most popular manga are not about "heroes of the government", they are about characters who change the world around them where American characters just assimilate into a world that already exists

Iron Man is not a "common citizen", that's just a load of horseshit, he's the most chosen one garbage you can imagine, one of the richest and most intelligent people in his universe and he's still just a guy working for a popular team

Japanese society is miserably conformist. Why do you think they kill themselves so often?

That is part of why I like One Piece more than Naruto and Bleach. In the latter two, the heroes were just soldiers in service of an often corrupt state, especially the SS, but Luffy is a cheerful individualist who fights the whole world if it gets in his way.

Right, and it's the most popular series in Japan but barely even acknowledged in America (where Naruto and Bleach are much more popular)

Societies have been conformist for 5,000 years and any modern society is far less conformist than any traditional one. Suicide in Japan or any other country is about one thing: mate access.

a bunch of them are either adventurer memes (MC becomes a cog in the system) or governmental reform memes

>who is Luffy

No

Is not even right about western heroes.

Holy shit, link? This sounds EXACTLY like my kind of manga, since I´m literally studying investing.

Goku kinda contradicts this.

He is as selfish as it gets.

I think it'd be more accurate to say that eastern cultures value the community over the individual. As government officials they have more access to fulfill those desires.

Fictional character's opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, always.

>Investor Z
Man, that shit was bad. While some of the stuff was mildly interesting, it was mostly just characters taking turns being mouthpieces about stupid shit.
It was interesting seeing a viewpoint that wasn't just "America is the fucking worst", though.

Goku is the most popular Shōnen hero and he doesn’t even pay taxes.

Most anime heroes are "the chosen one" special snowflakes that appear normal until the plot requires it.

It's hard to say, mecha at least is usually government-sponsored. vagabond mecha would be absolutely sick.
sentai, same deal.
then there's stuff like the justice league, which has a similar deal in OPM, although actually the justice league is independent, while the HA seems to be effectively the actual government.
I can't think of too many other examples.

Not really, has the author ever actually read Iron Man? Or comics with him? Or even seen the movies?
Tony is/has been in several teams, most of which associated with the US Gov. in some way and he also does stupid shit due to his prepotency all the time leading his buddies to help him back up.
Even the beacon that is Batman is written as a controversial figure in-universe and there is always that one author every few years that remarks how crazy it is that a dude is dressing up as a bat and taking pre-teens to kick drug dealers on alleys.
Ironically, this shit he described about personal success is much more common in say, sports manga or other series that use the sport manga formula, than in western comics. A lot of sport mangas are about downthrodden outcasts/losers who find happiness in doing X from playing Rugby to being a fashion designer and then decide to use their unique talents, perspective and drive to be the very fucking best. And protagonists in this series tend to be pretty likeable even to the Japanese public

Iron Man is a 16 year old black girl whose sidekick is another gay black girl who is supposedly the smartest person in human history, and they fight against the evil Trump administration.
American comics most definitely do not have a pro-government slant anymore.

I can't believe that doesn't exist already. Seems like a no brainer

>Iron MAN
>a girl

I heard about the afro chick, but they didn't even bother to change the name? Retards.

Also, heroes are only heroes if they're actually well regarded by the populace. Marvel comics is bleeding money because noone likes their pandering trash anymore.

Basically everyone you ask would tell you Tony Stark was the man from the movie, not some regressive's wet diversity dream.

>because they dont want to acknowledge "those failure" even exist.
Better than coddling, praising, and rewarding delinquent behavior. There's a reason why America has like 30x the violent crime