I don't get the ending. Did the grail fucking implode after the vessel was destroyed?

I don't get the ending. Did the grail fucking implode after the vessel was destroyed?

Read FSN, you filthy fucking secondary.

just give up on "Fate" it meaningless shit.

>all those grammatical errors
Go back to DBS threads you spic

No it wasn’t that. Since the victor of the grail rejected to give a wish, the grail simply went and granted the runner-up’s wish. The Priest secretly desired destruction, which is what the grail gave.

At least, I think that’s what happened.

Read the VN or fuck off

In the VN they explain that the grail was tainted by the Einzbern in the 3rd or 4th war and when it was destroyed it basically leaked out that tainted evil energy. It's like one of the key points of Heaven's Feel and I'm kind of paraphrasing since I can't remember the actual explaination too well. Essentially, it's what causes the main problem in Heaven's Feel.

Zero is a prequel that was released after FSN. The narrative assumed you know everything that happened in FSN. Watching Zero first is tge worst thing anyone who wants to get into Fate can do. You probably missed like 50% of what happened. Read FSN then watch it again, it will make a huge difference.

After the three HF movies are released people will be able to watch UBW>HF>Zero. It's far from ideal but anime only will be possible. Ufo needs to make a Fate route movie for a full set.

>release zero anime first, which assumes you know what's happened in all 3 routes of SN
>SN adaptations written and directed as sequels to zero anime
I actually have no idea how fate managed to get this popular in its current state. The only conclusion I can think of is people don't actually care about the intricacies of the worldbuilding in the Nasuverse, and watch fate for the fights.
It's a shame really, since nasuverse shit is really in depth.

No. You either read the VN or start with Zero. Ufo's UBW was made like a sequel to Zero, if you start from there you will have all the questions regarding things explained in the Fate route + shit that you won't understand even if you did play Fate like Grail Irisviel talking to Illya.

90% of Fate popularity right now is coming from people that have read nothing but GO, you really think anyone cares about actual lore?

And then have you have DEEN Fate which adds another layer of shit. Adapting Zero first was really a retarded decision.

No. Never start with Zero. Starting with Zero makes no fucking sense. You don't know who these people are or their connection to FSN characters and a lot of the Nasuverse basics aren't explained. Obviously reading the VN first is best and anime only isn't ideal. Bit out of all the possible star points (DEEN, UBW, Zero), UBW is best. If UBW being made as a sequel will make you feel lost, watching Zero first will make you feel 10 times more lost.

Nobody cares if they care. I will not engage secondaries and tertiaries. They can have their plebbitor circlejerk over on /vg/

The vast majority of the praise I see for ufotable UBW is for the animation/visuals and not for any particular elements of the plot.
So yes, normies only care about the fights. It's the same reason why capeshit's popular.

I'd take GO secondaries over Zero secondaries any days. At least a large portion of GO is written by Nasu, not a guest writer.

To be honest if you read Tsukihime and Kagetsu Tohya it doesn't make sense either. There are a lot of shits there that didn't got fully explained until a decade later

If they don't start with the VN they are shitters and don't care, so they can start with 0 or whatever because all they are here for is the flashy fights, they would gain nothing out of watching UBW first.

So saber blasted the grail in UBW without grail mud coming out and burning half the city, how come the same didn't happen here?

I have tsukihime on hold a little over half-way through for a year now. I keep hoping for news about the remake but Nasu is being a lazy ass.

If I recall correctly it had nothing to do with Kirei's wish but he just interpreted it that way. It was just grail mud (the result of all the magical energy in stored up in the grail being cursed) spilling out after Saber destroys Irisviel. Since Irisviel is like a gate to where all the grail mud is.

Or something like that, I'm 99% sure I've got some of it wrong but I think it's along those lines

And what would happen if he wrote a remake, the original is still there and 100 times more valid that any trash Nasu writes nowadays.

The animation butchered the atmosphere and Tosaka's characterization. She's just a generic tsundere in the anime, it's fucking criminal.

Friendly reminder that Midday Moon is still the best thing Nasu has ever written

ironic

He's been working on a remake for years now. I doubt the core story would be chsnged, he'd probably only add mire chapters + refreshed art and visuals + a probable new anime adaptation alongside the marketing campaign. It's 100% happening but he keeps putting it off.

But she’s that way in the UBW VN too. She’s only a smug bro in Fate.

Why won't he just write a fucking major work again? That's all I want from that fucking hack. Stop sitting on your ass and milking this shit.

>yeah sure, we are working hard, here look at these new copypaste design Takeuchi cooked up
>oh wait, GO makes more money with 0 effort than rewriting a whole VN, fuck that shit

>GO makes more money
Tsukihime will make a shit ton of money. It's really anticipated and the original was popular. And otaku buy expensive things a lot more than some casual mobile gamer. Nothing said they can't cross promote, they'll probably have a tsukihime event in GO or something. Plus didn't he finish writing it? I thought he's putting the finishing touches.

>you don't know who these people are
This comment makes no sense, most characters in Zero are all new and Kotomine and Gil are introduced way better than in UBW
>a lot of the Nasuverse basics aren't explained
Again, still explained far better than In UBW
Look, I read the VN first, but forcing people to watch something that was clearly adapted with a different watcher in mind is retarded

>anything making more money than mobage that makes 1 million a day
You actually believe that he wants to make a high quality remake that makes the original fans happy, do you?
It has been 6 years since Mahoyo, where they wanted full price for a short VN that was not even voiced because that would be expensive and there is still no word on the continuation even though they have enough money.

Where's the updated guide?

user, we only cares about the characters in Zero because of their connection to the main characters from FSN. Even Kerry, he's only important because he's Shiro's adaptive father and since I don't feel like listing them one by one I'm a wall of text, there's also spoilers: Sakura spoilers, Kotomine retaining Gil and his multiple command spells, Saber's identity,etc.

Tsukihime remake even if it sells better than the original FSN won't make even 5% of a popular FGO gacha like Jeanne Alter. Its simply unfeasible business wise for them to waste their time with VNs anymore.

It's confirmed though? I remember reading somewhere it's basically finished.

Yeah, Nasu mailed me the script around christmas, it was pretty okay.

Like confirmed in an article in their official magazine TM Ace.

>we only cares about the characters in Zero because of their connection to the main characters from FSN
idk who is "we" since a lot of people enjoyed Zero without watching Fate, a character is supposed to stand on its own, not because he is the father of other characer.
The spoilers are not even that important, you could also argue that FSN "spoils" Zero

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Okay user, tell people to start with UBW, i bet they are gonna love the franchise when they dont understand half the shit that's going on

I love Saber.

>i bet they are gonna love the franchise when they don't understand half the shit that's going on
Yeah, that's what happens if you don't read the VN.

FSN is the original work. Zero is a small spin-off by a guest writer thar was made as fanservice for FSN readers. Plus your argument is invalid because it's meant to be read after FSN as per the writers themselves, it's a prequel which means it's chronologically before but narratively after FSN and it shows. So if you want to spoil one of the best VNs ever made and the upcoming HF movies just to watch some spin-off first, be my guest. It's your loss. You're the who'll miss out, not me. I've already watched/read/played everything that has Fate in the title.

>dont understand half the shit that's going on
But that only applies to Zero. Starting with UBW, you'll get like 80-90% as opposed to Zero's 50%.

Sadly people don't like to read
I think it's backwards, the only thing confusing in Zero is the ending. Saber´s reasons to let Shirou fight Archer, Avalon, Irisviel, Gil, nothing is explained in UBW

Stop shoving the entire IP down people's throats. Zero is great if watched without seeing any other adaptations. If you put your FSN fanboy goggles down for a sec and watch zero, you'll notice the original chars had more impact than existing ones. In fact, most of the existing characters, apart from saber, are kind of like easter eggs for fans in the series.

Zero is a must watch. UBW if you're into good fight scenes. Haven't seen HF so will hold my opinion on that one.

Zerofags are the fucking worst.

Yeah, Zero is great, I stood up and clapped when Saber used a magical motorcycle and the epic music was playing.

I bet he's a secondary.

DUDE THEY USED MAGIC IN ANIME. Yes user, truly unforgivable, i only watch mature anime for mature people too

>How dare this series full mages and other shit use magic

>Sadly people don't like to read
You make it sound like it's a literary masterpiece that everyone should pick up when in reality, it's just a pornographic dating sim.

They need a bit of that so original fans don't fall asleep from all the amazing dialogues and character interaction.

>pornographic dating sim
You make it sound like this is a bad thing. Could it possibly be that you're a casual normalfag whose opinion belongs in the trash? I wonder.

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What happened, I thought the zerofags went away after it was not flavor of the month anymore?

I think there are plenty of moments in the VN, that most that have obviously read it, would agree it's far better than the anime of Zero. Zero is great and I love Urobuchi a lot. He's my favorite director but I think it's a great thing to experience at least UBW or Heavens Feel in their original form even if it takes a lot of time to get there. Heaven's Feel was my absolute favorite thing maybe beside the final fight in UBW. Due to its length, I'd say it has higher highs but also lower lows compared to Zero. Some of the dialogue can get a bit repetitive etc which I feel like Zero did a good job of keeping the unnecessary stuff to a minimum. Enough of that though, read the VN. It's well written regardless of the whole porn game meme and has some moments that I think even Zerofags will admit were done better than the anime.
t. Ex-Zerofag

user STOP BEING REASONABLE

No, I dropped it around the time Gil appeared and I've read a shitton of VNs. VN just isn't a good medium for action. F/Z kept my eyes glued to the screen the whole time.

Why couldn't Hiroe have done the art instead of Takeuchi?

I don't agree but you're entitled to your opinion and hopefully you give it a chance again one day.

Holy shit, they all look terrible in that pic

>Stay Night is about the action

This Action in FSN is the less important part

>ever reading VNshit
EL OH EL
Don't bother OP, Fate is shit.

Yeah, user, why read it for the action when you can self-insert and let literally every 2d grill in the VN stroke your dick?

He's projecting and we won't fall for that shit. The VN was horribly written - it's convoluted, some dialogues don't make sense, and is a chore to read. Somehow fatefags think it's an achievement to finish all routes, like an obstacle run. It's retarded. You're all retarded.

t.digibrony

>If I act like I've read the VN (I didn't) my shit opinion might look less shit

wow, what a fag

Takeuchi please go

DUDE
EXPLOSIONS
DUDE
MAGIC BIKES
DUDE
GUNS

>projecting
I dont think that word means what you think it means

>Yeah, user, why read it for the action when you can self-insert and let literally every 2d grill in the VN stroke your dick?
I can do that with superior moege.

>Tsukihime remake
>Miura finishes Berserk

What will happen first? It's a trick question.

Fatefags have such massive shit taste. Who cares if it was written by the original author? He jumped the shark ages ago but unlike Lucas or Toriyamafags they're incapable of figuring that out.

Zero was written prior to that in 2006 and is part of old Type-Moon before the canon was completely and utterly fucked by a million Saber clones and shitty retcons.