A king exists to serve her people

>A king exists to serve her people
>A king exists to inspire the dreams of his people
>A king exists to judge and be entertained by his people
Whose way of kingship was the best?

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>A king that don't exist

Best kingship.
I don't fancy paying high taxes for a family of rich greedy attention whoring morally loose bastards and bitches to enjoy life without a day of honest work when I already paying taxes for families of niggers and white trash to enjoy life without a day of honest work.

>I don't fancy paying high taxes for a family of rich greedy attention whoring morally loose bastards and bitches to enjoy life without a day of honest work
But you're already financing the high life of every member of Congress if you're a burger, and if you're a europoor you still have literal royal families

>I don't fancy paying high taxes for a family of rich greedy attention whoring morally loose bastards and bitches to enjoy life without a day of honest work when I already paying taxes for families of niggers and white trash to enjoy life without a day of honest work.
You realize the royal family pays into the government more than 10x what they get out of it, right?

>You realize the royal family pays into the government more than 10x what they get out of it, right?
>he hasn't heard of the hidden offshore accounts

most royal houses in europe bring in WAY MORE in tourism and exposure than they are given by the government, and i think especially the british royal house actually mainly lives off of land that they own themselves, not from tax dollars.

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Haven't you heard the latest news? Land ownership is inherently parasitic

Your tax dollars are still funding the pedo ring coverups of all your parliament members

Alexander’s version is the closest to the ideal.

We agree Kariya deserved to win the most, right?

All three are idiots, they have a ideal of how a king should act but not how to perpetuate their fucking kingdom so that when they die it dies with then

Uruk was stable for generations after Gil's death, though

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Dropped

Yes but that was the mature Gil, the one Gil who isn't a retard and is never summoned, the Gil in that pic is an actual retard

Kings shouldn't exist period, they're an anachronism from a time in which the only way people could agree to a new ruler replacing the old one without tons of infighting and war was by accepting the fiction of a "royal blood" that had divine right.
It's why in modern society kings are just glorified relics with no real power, they aren't needed anymore since there are more efficient and practical ways of choosing leaders.

Gil > Arturia > DUDE, both in actual text and in Fate lore
Iskander was a dumb fucking manchild who destroyed civilizations just so he could see muh pacific ocean

Go back to your mud Dennis

Gilgamesh was a demigod
Iskander conquered everything around him
Arturia was proven worthy by pulling Caliburn

The 'ideal' king would be a fusion of all of them. A king must serve his people, as their shield and protector; a king must also inspire and lead his people, to show them what greatness can be; a king must also judge his people from on high, unquestionable in power and taking what is his just reward.

Arturia, Gilgamesh and Iskander were each mighty and great kings, but ultimately, each and every one of them failed and their kingdoms fell apart with no-one to succeed them. The great irony is that none of them can see that they failed... Except Saber. She is the only one to realise that she fell short and should have done things differently. Iskander and Gil meanwhile both believed they simply did not go far enough in their own beliefs.

You two really have no idea how and why kings and the feudal system actually worked or why it was developed, do you?

>that was the Gil who actually ruled Uruk so it doesn't count

Correct, even Fate makes the distiction between adventurer Gil and ruler Gil

>A king exists to enrich their country at the cost of others. To serve the people and be served in return

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But Gil's kingdom never fell. His city continued to exist for over 2000 years after his death.

Gil kingdom actually lasted some time even after he was gone.
Iskandar kingdom fell apart the moment he died because he didn't left a worthy succesor.
Saber did the best she could but Camelot was doomed to fail anyway.
I would vote for Gil

>salty
you sound like an anarchist who does not realize how much people around him have done for him

If Iskandar had been immortal it could have worked (galactic heroes had the same issue)
Gil's kingdom lasted because they were more or less used to doing things without Gil. while its true that its not good when a kingdom falls without a central figure, can you really say you were important to a kingdom if they can keep going without you?
>Camelot was doomed to fail
by magic or destiny if I recall

Gilgamesh was a strong king, yes, but I ask you if he was a GOOD king.

>Saber did the best she could but Camelot was doomed to fail anyway.
Camelot fell because the round table couldn't handle Arthuria during her best Rei impression 24/7

>You two really have no idea how and why kings and the feudal system actually worked or why it was developed, do you?
I know that it was useful at the time and served to make nations prosper, but we don't need it anymore and we're better off without it.

Iskandar's is the best one
Gil's isn't the best, but it's right, but is better for a Roman, Indian or Ottoman Emperor
Artoria's is how a Prime minister, President or a Roman Consul, without the election thing, should think

You know what? Your right! I’ll go tell my serfs that they don’t have to grow turnips anymore.

Cause those aren't Fate, dumbass.

What happened after 2000 years?

just because Kings go by a different name these days does not mean they don't exist.
>"royal blood"
>divine right
all code for bigger army. There have been times when Kings were puppets of their knights and lords and there have been "first kings" after all your royal line needs to start from somewhere. It all came down to big army and "horse lord from heaven told me this land was for my people" was just a ceremonial add on

Do tell user

The muslims destroyed the city when they conquered iraq in 700 AD and it was never reinhabited

Explain.

Second 2 are vain and end up in failure.
>A king exists to serve her people
This has longevity. If sincere with even the poor and destitute, literally no one but God could stop her.

Whole show proves how delusional is Saber.

>If sincere with even the poor and destitute, literally no one but God could stop her.
But Saber was overthrown by her own son (female(male(female)))

How do you serve the people though?

Alexander, both other are plebs

Walk in the streets. Ask them what they need. Keep promises. Think majora's mask.

This. Alexander's Master went on to do great things. Arturia's and Gil's Master both die.

Depends entirely on the country they are going to rule. All of those have their pros and cons, there is none that is inherently better in every situation.

Saber and Gil's masters also go on to do this. It's not their fault Kiritsugu and Tokiomi are shitheads

That’s what a RPG character does, not a king.

I agree with Rider's points the most but honestly if I were to become a king I'd probably live like Gil

give good blowjobs or be this guy minus the dumb part were he speeds up the cycle

You sound like a leech trying to justifying leeching off the government, family and friends.

Nobody going want to live like the first two but everyone want other people except them to live by the first two.

Everyone should suffer so I don't is pretty much the default mentality.

You honestly want the full history lesson? Hoo boy. Okay, strap in ot/a/ku because this is going to take some background learning. Let me get some pretty pictures and the like together to hold your attention.

We'll be examining medieval Europe for the sake of this lesson, as it's the time and place you're most likely to think of when someone says 'king'. Now granted, there were monarchies that arose before the Dark Ages and in other parts of the world, but covering literally every system of monarchy that has ever arisen would take WAY longer than either of us have the patience for.

Monarchies as we understand them in Europe really started to arise after the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century CE (not using AD because that's another can of worms I am not fucking opening). It's hard for any of us to even begin to imagine just how DIFFERENT things were back then, as we are used to a world with ideas like 'borders' or 'nations' or even the concept of being able to communicate with someone on the other side of the country, not just instantly, but easily, due to a shared language. At the dawn of the 6th century, that simply didn't exist. In fact it is safe to say it was even worse than that, as to all conception of the common people, in the space of a single generation, the WORLD HAD ENDED.

Imagine living in the United States today, magnify every problem in the government by ten; then over the course of 40-50 years, drop the average temperature by ten degrees; every supermarket you walk into has the shelves only ever half-full at most; and then you're invaded by aliens. In a world without our understanding of weather patterns, agriculture, or what lies beyond our borders, this could all very well seem like the wrath of god. The entire global structure that you, your parents and your ancestors for hundreds of years have relied upon, has all come crashing down with enough speed for you to watch it happen.

we still have an aristocracy, they just have mock elections
>same people end up in positions of power every single time without fail
>they didn't get there through their great achievements but because they were groomed as successors by the same people who had been occupying those positions prior to them
sometimes one of those nepotism-bloodlines dies off, but so did royal bloodlines, too

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all life is like that. The only question is how much they will let you get away with

>king
>her

It's still fucking stupid and should be dumb enough to derail the discussion alone.

Did Iskander ever even really rule over an empire? It's been a while since I read up on him but IIRC, he just kept conquering all of his life, so he really was mostly a general.

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A combination of all three.

Blood and guts, divide and conquer for autists in future eras to war over

How did they convince people to be ruled under a Queen anyways?

I'd like to serve the king that serves the people.

Why does Iskander want to conquer so much? Doesn't he know that if you don't go back, you'll end up losing those places and get attacked?

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>Why does Iskander want to conquer so much?
He started when he was 21. Which 21 yo guy wouldn't love to conquer the world with an army at his back?
Then he just never stopped because he kept winning so much.

Clearly Arthur is best king

because there was no travel agency that could take him to the ocean

Fuck the king

A king exists solely to rule.
How ones rules, and which way is best, can be debated.

There have been kings in real history who have been women using the masculine title so as not to appear below the kings of other countries. Now shut up; it's history time.

There's no police to keep order; you're starving and your neighbor is starving; there's no communication with even the next city over; you've heard stories that the heart of the world, the capitol, the most protected city in the world and home of the most holy man in the world, who can speak directly to God, has fallen to barbarians who want nothing more than to kill you, burn your home, rape your wife and steal everything you possess and they could be ANYWHERE - they could be about to sweep into your home TOMORROW and you would never fucking know.

THAT is the kind of situation you find yourself in. Without central authority, there is famine, there is disease and there is war and death. If you're a Christian, which you probably are at this point in time, this sounds a hell of a lot like the end of the world. Basically, at this point, you're eager for absolutely ANYONE to come and try and restore order and peace, but more than that, you just want to survive. You have nothing, your friends all have nothing, but you hear some people in the next town over might have some food, or something of value that you can trade for food, without having to risk a fight with someone stronger than you. So you get your friends together, get on your horses with what weapons you have to hand and go a-raiding. You might not want to; those people are as Christian as you and you've been clearly told 'Thou Shalt Not Kill', but at this point, it's a question of survival and either you get to eat and live, or they do.

This is the final breaking down of law and peace, the dissolution of mankind into only caring about those immediately around them, only those who can help them, as individuals, live another day. There is no loyalty except to those who can give you what you need.

>hurr monarchs are inherently shit

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>you'll end up losing those places and get attacked?
Not if you choose to invade an age-old empire with no big neighbors and install / retain loyal governors and satraps along the way.

The knights of the round table were a bunch of pretty boys, so Saber didn't look too out of place among them. Everyone just assumed he was slightly girlier than the others because he was prepubescent.

And Saber has a bit of a manface in alternate universes where she's allowed to hit puberty.

anyone who approaches a topic like that with an opinion as one sided as user's can be safely disregarded.
if monarchy as a system was inherently shit in all aspects it would have never survived this long.

What does it mean to rule though?

>Doesn't he know that if you don't go back, you'll end up losing those places and get attacked?
only if you don't finish the job and leave potential enemies alive.
just conquer the whole planet

>Alexander summons his troops
>Blondie starts his meme spam
>Shield wall
>Step by step inch closer
>Getting within range of spears
>Return spam at blondie
>Blondie gets recked

Too bad fate series is full of meme characters with plot armor.

Look at the results

Wait until you realize that beam wasn't even at a tenth of its power.

Yeah? But can he drag around a bunch of planets on chain?????

I think not.

Did you watch the series?

This makes sense. How come ruling lasts so much shorter now? Didn't they last thousands of years before like in Egypt?

Now into this maelstrom of chaos and bloodshed, steps someone strong; someone with armed men at their back. Little by little, they start to pacify the brigands; they hold off the barbarians; they provide security, shelter and food to those that follow them and agree to serve them.

These individuals seem to have bought a brief reprieve for mankind, against The End. They honour god (or their gods, if they are pagan) and it seems that because of this, God grants them His favour, or perhaps they only make like they do so people do not think them unholy and shy away from them. Either way, the priests declare that this person is chosen by god, that they have been granted a divine mandate to restore peace and protect the people, where once the Empire did. Because of this endorsement by people who know the will of the almighty, yet more flock to the king's banner.

There is no loyalty to a 'nation' in these times, as such a thing does not exist. 'Borders' are loosely defined as 'those trees over there', 'that river', 'those mountains', or even 'roughly sorta maybe there-ish?' Instead, you are loyal to the person who provides for you and protects you. This is, at its most basic level, the foundation of the Feudal System. Peasants serve a lord, who protects them. The lord serves the king and grants them their service as an elite soldier and the king in turn, lets them rule a small portion of the land that he controls, delegating a little of his god-given authority to the lord. The whole system was based upon "If you scratch my back, I will scratch yours." It was a smaller, simpler system of local government, meant for smaller, simpler problems on a local level. Keep in mind, after the fall of Rome and its vast legions, battles rarely involved more than a few hundred people.

>forgetting that blondie throws magical swords and not normal swords
>implying you can defend against Merodach, sword that probably has Gae Bolg's effect and bunch of bullshit swords from legend
>GoB also has lightning and other bullshit in its arsenal

Now I wanna see GoB throw ancient molotov cocktails and set mobs on fire.

You forget that Iskander in front and center charging and that any random GoB weapon would tear through their dinky shields

he could, if there at any point had been a treasure that could do that he would own it and thus move planets on a chain

your making his accomplishments seem small.
Yeah his goal might of been stupid to you but I bet you dont have 1/100 of his determination and will.
He had a dream a wanted to realize it. user, have you tried at accomplishing your dreams to the extant that he had?

Like I said earlier, I'm aware of how the monarchy and feudal system was once necessary. But they aren't anymore, they were too restrictive and now people are loyal to the general idea of a nation and not to an indivual who is in charge of its government, especially since said individual often changes.
The purpose of a monarchy is to serve as a placeholder until it's not needed anymore.

In a shellnut, the world was much more stable way back in the days of Egypt. Simply put, they were so strong because they didn't really have much competition. Dynasties in Egypt only fell when internal factors weakened them against external threats, same as with Rome.

That, in essence, was why kings were important. They kept the peace, they kept order, they provided a sense of authority and stability that people desperately needed in a world after The End. When in the 8th century, Charlemagne conquered vast swathes of land and pacified the bickering kings, the Pope himself crowned him as 'Holy Roman Emperor' in an attempt to grant his reign the legitimacy and long-lasting stability of the Roman Empire ('holy' as a sign to all that the Pope recognised him as legitimate, again playing back to how early kings were recognised by the church for their efforts in averting the end of the world).

People didn't trust a 'country' or system of laws, as they had seen how easily such things could break apart. Instead, they trusted PEOPLE, people who had helped bring back peace and security to a world that desperately needed it.

That is where we disagree and we move away from history and into political theory. Are you REALLY SURE this is ground you want to tread, because believe me, it isn't something I want to get into, as it always, without fail, results in a shitstorm.

A king like saber exist to be impregnated by vermins.

>"Being king means being a manchild who does whatever you want whenever you want and never thinking about shit. The real Alexander was known to be a wise and thoughtful philosophical type but here I'm a power-fantasy for 14-year-old boys. Yay."
>"I don't want to be king anymore because my brain-damaged son (female) threw a temper-tantrum after I told him (her) that that he (she) would make a crap king.."
>"SUCK MY BALLS BECAUSE I'M GILGAMESH"
Only a bonafide fedorabeard or a literal retard would say anyone here had a 'good' argument.

It's weird that he literally has every weapon in there. There is something that does what a molotov cocktail does but better.

>being this much of a mongrel

Mordred just wanted love.

Retard.

>The real Alexander was known to be a wise and thoughtful philosophical type
By whom?

>That is where we disagree and we move away from history and into political theory. Are you REALLY SURE this is ground you want to tread, because believe me, it isn't something I want to get into, as it always, without fail, results in a shitstorm.
Sure, why not. Tell me why you think monarchy is a better system of government than any of democracy or free society.