Gilgamesh presses the ‘I win’ button

>Gilgamesh presses the ‘I win’ button

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Shit chuuni character

>Cadet, the enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand

Who was in the wrong here?

that's cute, try again next time

>enemy has an absolute attack that tears apart the universe itself and destroys absolutely everything it touches
>somehow, a fucking sheath can block it
I'll never understand Nasu's shitty writing.

The more I read about Fate Enkidu, the more unlikely it seems that Gilgamesh managed to stalemate him.

Gilgamesh literally killed Shirou’s parents when he started that fire.

>t.powerlevel brainlet

t. low IQ secondary

>gilgamesh
you mean kiritsugu right?

How can Shirou beat Gilgamesh with UBW while saying he would lose to any servant that mastered one NP, but Gilgamesh could kill any servant like that? Is this the fabled Nasu writing?

>Strongest servant by far
>Jobs to an autistic ginger with little to no magical experience because "whoops guess I underestimated him xd"
Nasu is an eternal hack for this

>implying secondary is a bad thing when you deal with something that has such horrendous writing
I wish I could get back the time that I spent reading this piece of shit. At least, I didn't push beyond "le teacher who's a former assassin has unusual fighting techniques". That really fucking took the cake.

>Gilgamesh started that fire

Wrong on multiple levels.

Gil a good boy. He dindu nothing.

Fate servant battles are effectively rock-paper-scissors tier.

>i-i never read it but i'll pretend i read it, that'd show him.

Probably because you haven't read it

Except UBW and GOB are both the same attack. It's not like UBW overpowered GOB or anything, it was simply a draw, like rock vs rock etc, and Shirou won with plot armor. So tell me how Shirou's rock can't beat paper but Gil's rock can?

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I used to hate fate Gil but lately I read about the Epic of Gilgamesh and I started to like him (both real and fate Gil) now, just a bit. Why is Epic of Gilgamesh so good?

Gil a good boy. He dindu nothing.
I'll never forgive him for brutally killing Illya in UBW though.

Why are there even numerical stats in?
That always bothered me.

Because Nasu is a hack. His vision by then is different from the lore that people know right now.

because shirou only has rock while gil has rock, paper, and scissor.
gil was trying to use paper only so he can beat shiro in his own game but he doesn't know that UBW is faster than GOB.

That still means nothing. Don't worry, I've read the piece of shitty writing that the Fate route, and I'd rather not do it again because I might have an aneurysm.

So you're saying UBW is actually superior to GOB, but somehow GOB can defeat other servants while UBW can't? Is that you Nasu?

Is Fate Enkidu ambiguous or a clear dude like Astolfo is?

*gil was trying to use rock only
sorry
sword spamming=/=actually using the content.
shirou is superior in sword spamming than gil, even gil wouldn't just sword spam his enemies, he'd use the content.

It's only slightly better in that single aspect. In every other aspect it is much worse.

1:Rank down reproductions
2:Is a reality marble so it costs obscene amounts of energy compared to Gate of Bablyon being one of the most efficient noble phantasms
3:UBW only has close-ranged weapons, and only autoread and copies swords. Gate of Bablyon has the original of all legends, and all the things human ingenuity creates. So functionally it has everything.
4:Gil has super clairvoyance which pairs with GoB really well so he can bring out a person's counter.

Gilgamesh is like that one guy in DnD who would rather die than drop his RP.

Actually is was because Gil was not fighting seriously. He had no reason too against a human when Servants were no match for him.

He’s pretty, but hetero and he walks around in a poncho and pants.

>Except UBW and GOB are both the same attack.
The weapons produced by Unlimited Blade Works are, in theory, weaker than the originals, while Gate of Babylon contains "prototypes" superior to the originals.
But the projections are still Noble Phantasms, good enough to deflect/destroy the prototypes. In fact following the VN's logic with projections supposedly being a rank down, Shirou's copies of prototypes from the Gate of Babylon should be equivalent to the genuine Noble Phantasms.
Within Unlimited Blade Works, the projections can be produced almost immediately (as they "already exist" within the world), fast enough to neutralize the Gate of Babylon.

This leaves Gilgamesh vulnerable, and lets Shirou immediately engage him in a duel. Gilgamesh is both caught off-guard and just not a great duelist compared to heroes like Saber and EMIYA; he is an "owner" of his weapons, not a "user," it's the natural weakness of the Archer class to be engaged in close combat. Gilgamesh is only able to defend against Shirou's assault, and when he takes just a second to pull out Ea, it leaves him open long enough for Shirou to cut off his arm.

"Unlimited Blade Works wouldn't work against other Servants" is bullshit, Nasu likes to frame everything in those kinds of terms, making rules and absolutes just to make the things that defy them that much more exceptional.

>brutally killing Illya in UBW
What do you mean? He brought her back to life.
youtube.com/watch?v=_co_bmKCPbo

Well, as much as I hate Nasu's stuff, this is the part that's actually pretty understandable. Gil would never take a human being seriously, and with UBW being faster than GOB while being a replica of it, it means it essentially cancels GOB, leaving Gil, a king who wouldn't don his armor nor actually wield Ea in front of a human, pretty much defenseless.
Were it a Servant, Gil would whip out Ea faster than you think of it. Think about Gil vs. Iskandar for example.
A normal Servant would take Shirou seriously and slaughter him as fast as possible if he were to try any cool tricks. Not to mention that a Servant having usually only one Noble Phantasm (and sometimes not even a sword) means Shirou's UBW would be able to do shit because he'd have little to no material to copy for his attacks, and would have to defend with his abilities as a human.

>He's a hack because he changed his mind
Autism needs a cure, posts like these can't continue.

>Were it a Servant, Gil would whip out Ea faster than you think of it. Think about Gil vs. Iskandar for example.
He absolutely would not use Ea against just any Servant, even after they pull a Reality Marble out of their ass. He didn't use Ea on Rider because he thought he needed to (and probably didn't, he could have just cut them all down with Gate of Babylon), he did it because Rider had earned his respect and "set a proper stage" for him to unleash Ea. He even executed Rider personally with it, easily the most respect Gilgamesh has ever shown an opponent not named Enkidu.

If EMIYA had faced him similarly to Shirou, the battle probably would have gone the same way. He wouldn't respect some Faker any more just because they were some nameless Servant.

>Be Nasu
>Want to create a porn game
>People complain that it needs a story
>Write the shittiest and incoherent story imaginable
>Turn popular historical figures into cute girls because why the fuck not
>Nips eat this shit up somehow
>

UBW can shoot swords, but they’re crappier than GoB swords so they can be powered through by most Servants.

UBW however, can counter Gil’s blade barrages (which he relies heavily on) because duplicates in the field shoot out and can either arm Shirou or deflect their real counterparts

Which is why EMIYA resorts to trickery when fighting those who aren’t Gil because they actually fight seriously. Such as forcing a weakened Medea to take a bunch of swords aimed at her Master when previously she would have been able to block them or teleport away.

You're forgetting that the NPs made by UBW are able to match the strength of their regular versions by either using reinforcement magic or through overcharging them to the point where they become a Broken Phantasm (causes the NP to go up by one rank at the cost of it being destroyed in the process).
That's one of the reasons why Archer is OP. His "weak" NP arrows are just as strong as their originals because he doesn't have to worry about using them more than once.

Enkidu is a shapeshifter, but is referred to as a male despite shaping his "human" form around the appearance of a beautiful woman.

if you actually read typemoon history you would know that it's the other way around, nasu was forced to write the sex scenes since he thought that without the sex scene it wouldn't be salable in the market.

>poncho and pants
Holy shit I just realized he wore pants. All this time I thought he was pantsless

I'm not forgetting, but it's not relevant to the argument because it's never suggested that Shirou used (or even knew how to) Broken Phantasm in his fight with Gilgamesh.
People overstate how impactful the Rank Down on projections is. They're still Noble Phantasms. Excalibur being an A++ NP doesn't mean it can cut through other Servants' weapons like butter.
Kanshou and Bakuya break all the time not because they're so inferior as Noble Phantasms, but because they're projections that require conscious effort and energy to maintain, and Archer/Shirou's fighting style and abilities make it easier for them to just make new ones in between blows rather than maintain their image.

>Epic of Gilgamesh
Patrician epic. It's the most human work ever written.

Would Alexander have been able to defeat Gil if
>he had his chariot
>he positioned his army differently
>he hadn't lost some of his army to the cthulu monster

Avalon's active effect places the user within Avalon, the realm of the faeries.
Even a weapon that tears apart the world cannot reach something that exists beyond it.

Why didn't Gilgamesh use his instant chains on Shirou like he did against Berzerker?

EMIYA has to resort to trickery because he has to go toe to toe instead of doing his job as Archer.
In F/HA it shows that when he stops fucking around he can do a good job.

The chains only work on people that have divinity. Both Iskander and Heracles have it, but Shirou has none.

Ranks are a bit weird. Sometimes it is simply a matter of the mystery, Sometimes it is raw power. Usually it is both. While something like Excalibur is definitely a higher tier weapon in general, the difference of A++ and A+ with a legendary sword will mainly be clear as a result of their actual invocation and full power rather than normal use. Excalibur is a cool sword, but ultimately it's just an amplifier of energy taken to 11.

Anyway swordspamming Gil is Gil doing the least amount of work possible/full job mode. Yet it's still enough to fuck with say Saber, because he's throwing bullshit after bullshit. Invisible sword, scythe that passes through you and drains your magic energy, a freeze sword, so on and so on. The variety of what he can pull out is ridiculous. One second he can pull out a bunch of things that leave cursed wounds that won't heal. Another moment he might bring out a bunch of primordial monster poisons. Then later he'll bring out a hindu spaceship jet, or even a curtain of darkness while having the original night-vision goggles on or something.

The main strength of Gil is that he can theoretically throw out any bullshit that doesn't break setting rules and can be justified by some means with real life legends.

Gilgamesh is always wrong.

No. But Gil would have had to do things a bit more seriously. Honestly, Ionari Hetaori is better than most Reality Marbles because his soldiers pay the upkeep. But when you have an army and no way to defend it from things that destroy armies (noble phantasms) then it's not honestly the best trump card. You also have to consider that having a bunch of servant fighters sounds impressive but servants are mainly valued for their noble phantasms and his soldiers don't have theirs.

He had no reason to think he would need to before Shirou pulled him into Unlimited Blade Works.
At that point Shirou was already on top of him and he panicked so badly that he went for Ea.

>The chains only work on people that have divinity.
The chains become stronger proportionally to the target's Divinity.
Against an ordinary human they're still a Noble Phantasm stronger than any man-made chain. Even a mundane Servant would at least have to struggle to free themselves from it.

The chains don't work in auto-homing mode against a non-divine person, though. Gil literally had to throw the chain himself on Shirou, while he could just stand there against Heracles and Iskander.

>auto-homing mode
what
He can just launch it from anywhere with the Gate of Babylon, same as every other NP.

Come on, there has to be some reason him throwing it on Shirou (who has no divinity) was the clumsiest he's ever used it.

Plus, if Gil just uses Enkidu like he uses GoB, he'd have to stand still. Pretty sure he was moving inside that black void.

Thirdly, Shirou wasn't in UBW mode at that time, so by all measures if your theory is correct that the chains had SOME strength, Shirou should have been pulled in instantly, but he wasn't. Shirou held on decently enough for those few moments until Archer came in. Plus Gil has the strength of a servant. There's no way Shirou wouldn't have been instantly pulled in if the chains had any strength on their own, other than those of being regular chains.

I think it makes sense, as a demi god, the king of heroes and ruler of one of the most advanced civilization of that era, of course hes gonna be cocky.
It is shown multiple times he doesn't wanna waste good weapons of people he doesn't deem worth. (vs berserker in F/Zero)
like you said why would he respect some shit tier ginger apprentice magician? He doesn't and its reasonable to assume that you wouldn't use your trump card vs this little cunt either.

>Come on, there has to be some reason him throwing it on Shirou (who has no divinity) was the clumsiest he's ever used it.
Because his body was being fucking devoured from the inside by the Grail and he was desperately flailing for his life.

>Shirou wasn't in UBW mode at that time
Completely irrelevant to Shirou's personal strength

>if your theory is correct that the chains had SOME strength
Shirou himself says that there's no way he could break free of the chains.

>so why didn't he get pulled in
Because it's a visual novel and things happen on the basis of dramatic effect, not physical laws.
You can say Gilgamesh's body wasn't grounded so he had no leverage, just pulling his mass against Shirou's.
At the end of the day Nasu just unnecessarily extended a scene that could have easily ended with Shirou cutting Gil down because he wanted Archer to miraculously save the day and have a last moment with Rin even though it was completely bullshit for him to have still been alive at that point.

>Gil summons Mobius-1

>UBW only has close-ranged weapons
And shields.
And bows.
And legendary laser spamming swords, yes.

It is called shit writing

>character has an established flaw
>narrative exploits the flaw, causing the character's downfall
>"shit writing"
The Epic of Gilgamesh was written down over four thousand years ago and its version of Gilgamesh suffered for his pride just the same.
Read a fucking book.

But in the epic doesn't Gil realize that he doesn't need immortality after all and thus overcame his pride? Plus in the epic he was fucked hard by gods who didn't like him and sheer bad luck, not by his own pride.

>tfw magical girl spin-off movie animated by a b-rate studio was better than Ufotable's UBW

>But in the epic doesn't Gil realize that he doesn't need immortality after all and thus overcame his pride?
Yes, but Archer Gilgamesh is not that Gilgamesh. That's Caster Gilgamesh.
Servants might have knowledge of their legend and how their lives played out, but that doesn't change who they are. Child Gil is fully aware how much of a shithead he turns into later and resents his older self.

Fortunately that win button can't be used against commoner with super power

youtube.com/watch?v=pw7aKlUexdw
Best version of "Emiya" in over a decade
They depicted Shirou extremely well too, visually. You wouldn't even know Fluffy Shirou was from the same series.

>But in the epic doesn't Gil realize that he doesn't need immortality after all and thus overcame his pride
Isn't it more like he realizes his limits as a human and admits that he's human no matter what he does?

>Type: Anti-World Noble Phantasm
>Maximum Targets: 1000
hmmm

>he doesn't know what anti-world means

It's almost like "Anti-X" refers to what the weapon is designed to attack, rather than its scope.

youtube.com/watch?v=jiRdixLq38o
Both Prisma versions are awesome.

So it can damage the world but only a small part at a time.
Thats like calling a NP that can kill 1 person anti-army or destroy 1 brick anti-fortress

So it can attack 1000 worlds at once?

It says 1000 people

"World" =/= the physical planet
Something that was mechanically similar to Ea with power to match the entire World resisting it would be able to "kill" it, in theory.
A single Servant does not have anywhere near that power.

youtube.com/watch?v=INmd0XYBjQU
I prefer full on weeb version.

I don't think so

I've always wondered about the maximum range someone can pull someone else in to their reality marble. I have this idea that UBW could have ended with Shirou doing his incantation and then popping out of existence because Gil was a few feet to far away.

Because he thought he was writing the visual novel as if it was a fucking tabletop game or something. Fucking Gae Bolg saving throws my ass

>Gilgamesh presses the I win button
>I win button
>win

honestly i want to explain what "anti world" means but i'm not feeling autistic at the moment.

But thats fucking wrong, take your lame shit elsewhere

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This is pure speculation but since the essence of a Reality Marble is "overwriting the World with your personal reality," I would imagine the limitation is something like line-of-sight/perception. If you "know" they're close enough, if they're "in your personal space," they're close enough.
There must be some hard limiting factor, but who knows what it is. A good rule of thumb would probably be "close enough to have a conversation with them."

I said "in a decade" and I mostly meant official versions, thinking of DEEN's version specifically.

Still wrong desu

>Shows up
>"I win"

*blocks your path*

don't servants move at mach 3 by default? How does shirou move at mach 3 when fighting when he is human and the required to move his legs that fast would tear his muscles or ligaments or break his bones? Does he cast a spell to let him move fast? When does he do that?

Why can't gilgamesh just fire a wall of swords as projectiles at shirou?

We already get wise king Gil user. If he was in FSN, shit would be over almost immediately.

UBW replicates the skill along with the power necessary to wield the projections. That explains why he could lift Herc's weapon in HF

If he's the better Gil, why is he a mere 4*?

>Taking FGO star ratings seriously
If you want a non-bullshit answer, it's because he lacks the raw firepower Archer Gil has. This is brought up in Babylonia where, when shit hits the fan, he uses himself as a catalyst to summon Archer Gil. It'll also make him easier to roll for desu

>Why can't gilgamesh just fire a wall of swords as projectiles at shirou?
Because Shirou can do the same thing

>It detroys the universe itself.
With Avalon she is not in this universe anymore, the attack power does not matter if she's is not even there.

You don't even need to cheat to tank anti-world attack. Nero can tank anti-world attack from Altera.

>tfw bell never ring

>Still cant beat a random teenage ginger

>Gilgamesh presses the ‘I win’ button
>loses