Macross Frontier

>ranka lost the himebowl
>alto is MIA
>sheryl lost her vocal chords and is in an eternal coma
What the fuck were these movies? Can't believe I'm gonna say this but I preferred the open ending. I want my four hours back.

The Macross 7 references in the second movie make up for it. The first movie is garbage though.

VALKYRIIIAAAAA

>I preferred the open ending
What? I Remember that the movies had the open ending where Sheryl definitely won in the tv one. She and Alto even fucked earlier on.

Watch the after credits you dumb fuck. Did Kawamori not make it obvious enough what happened?

The BDs even included a scene where a glowing thing was flying to the planet.

Sheryl won in the movies as well.
he literally goes "Sorry Ranka but I don't love you. Sheryl, I------" blanks out as he disappears with the Vajra and Sheryl goes into coma shouting his name.

I get so fucking confused when trying to remember what happened in the series as opposed to the films. The only solid difference I can remember is that sexy scene of Grace being shot to pieces in the second movie.

I don't blame you they are a blur for me as well for the most part. I don't understand kawamori's fetish for making a anime then making a movie that changes the plot. It's like he knows he can't get a story right the first time. he does it with Macross, happened with Escaflowne as well.

Open ranka was a cool concert

Normally I would agree with you but with how shit Delta was I'm hoping he changes as much as he possibly can.

The credits have Sheryl putting on a return concert, which means Alto came back

Delta was fine until they realized that they fucked up the pacing entirely and didn't move the plot forward for 2/3rd of the anime and then rushed the fuck out of everything in the last 4-5 episodes resulting in a clusterfuck of halfassed or outright stupid conclusions to every plotline. Classic case of director and writers forgetting that they have only 24-25 episodes to tell a story.

Never forget.

He deleted most of the Hayate-Freyja moments and turned Delta into a "movie that makes you want to see Walkure singing".

I can live with that since the Walkure songs were mostly phenomenal.

I think that was his plan from the start, but only put the romance part because it is/was a macross tradition

Idolshit killed macross

Good thing that their next concert will also be on cinemas.

Alto comes back at the end and Sheryl wakes up

>He deleted most of the Hayate-Freyja moments
Are you guessing or has the movie come out already?

Delete this.

Movie comes out the 10th I believe. user is probably guessing.

>He deleted most of the Hayate-Freyja moments
Kawamori done fucked up. HayaFre moments was at least one of the few redeeming points of Delta.

Should have just deleted the whole Windermere conflict then

I remember when the first promo art of Delta was released it had the gay wind niggers posing opposite Walkure and people thought the idolshits would be pilots controlling their Valkyries with VR or something fighting evil boyband pilots.
That honestly might have been better than how it turned out.

I wish they returned to the music/battles balance of 7 or even Frontier. From interviews you can conclude they're going to focus on even more music if anything.

If anything Delta had too many battles in the beginning that didn't actually matter because they were reluctant to kill anybody so it felt like a war with no stakes and the heroes were getting clowned over and over by literally five dudes. Delta's problem wasn't having too few battles, it was just completely fucked pacing and structure in general.

TV was totally open ended.

He was literally living with Sheryl for days and she was in the same bed as him at one point.

I honestly couldn't complain about Delta until they got into second cour and its faults became evident and battles felt way too samey with too much focus on dog fighting in Fighter mode.

Are you high?

>Already perfected the formula two years prior
>Still managed to fuck up Delta beyond saving

What the hell, Satelight.
What.the.hell.

Yeah I remember when Hayate was dancing in robot man form in the beginning but then he stopped doing it and just flew around having shitty dogfights against the Backstreet Boys who just would not die because his guilty feet had no rhythm. Basically only Messer died so it felt like the show had no stakes and there were so many characters they could have afforded to kill some off because as-is they were just underused. Like what was even the point of Mirage, she was a joke of a character and didn't even fit into the setting. Hayate had more chemistry with that fucking Hawaiian fish man.
Fuck, they should have just made Mirage a hot brown fish woman pilot and had her compete with Freyja. That would have been an actual love triangle instead of 20 episodes of Mirage being the most beta woman ever.

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>sheryl lost her vocal chords

But this is a good thing.

>not even one mention of Reina

reina a shit

She and Makina were a pair of literally whos, and they really should've just cut them out, and only had Kaname, Mikumo and Freyja

Because it was constantly shoved in our faces every single episode. That romance strangled the shit out of any possible development and screentime for other characters.

They could have had their development episodes and them getting injured much earlier instead of them basically just being there until the end so when they finally decided to do some shit with Reina/Makina it felt extremely thrown in and just wasted time.
Shit I hope the movie is incredible because the Walkure songs are so good that I still listen to half of them, but the show is such a mess.

You've got the movies and the tv series mixed up in your head, brosiph.

your a shit

In the TV show when Sheryl's life started backsliding into shit she wandered into Alto's house or something and she was staying with him for days and she was half-naked, it was pretty heavily implied that they fucked.
Ranka got BTFO in both the TV series and movies. In the TV series Sheryl kissed Alto first and probably stole his ass virginity while in the movies she got openly rejected and then Alto returned from outside the galaxy or whatever to awaken Sheryl from her coma. Ranka is the biggest loser in Macross history.

>being this delusional about a Korean cartoon

what was worse, Sheryl vs. Ranka or Noe vs. Hitomi in True Tears?

Nobody likes Ranka.

but rankafags exist

One of those actually had Best Girl win, ergo the other is automatically worse

Maybe if you actually used your brain for a seccond instead of just sperging out and actually payed attention to the movies you would have known that Sheryl did NOT lose her vocal cords, she gives a return concert during the credits. It's also implied (and even shown in the blu rays) that Alto returns and that Sheryl wakes up (hence the concert). Using common sense would have saved you soo much trouble.

Merchandise and early watchers are pointing to Messer surviving and the fish guy getting killed instead.

This is fantastic news.

Does anyone care about fish guy?

I don't believe this, I mean I want to but I won't until more people confirm it. Please let this be true T_T

Or maybe he isn't in the movie at all.

>how shit Delta was
characters and plot werent even that much worse than frontier. both of them were shit. hayate and freyja are still the best macross couple of all time, and i dont even know why i feel that way.

>hayate and freyja are still the best macross couple of all time, and i dont even know why i feel that way.

Maybe because they were always pretty straightforward in how they were the most important to each other?

Hayate didn't run around like a pig like Hikaru did with Minmay and Misa. Nor was he an indecisive hormonal fuck like Alto towards with Sheryl and Ranka.

Freyja didn't play Hayate around like Minmay did to Hikaru. And she didn't go out in a cat fight like Sheryl and Ranka did over Hayate's dick.

i guess it really is the fact that the two never caused much drama, unlike we had in macross, 7, plus, frontier. the drama usually was related to things they didnt have much of an impact on, like hayates past or freyjas origin. delta is a horribly paced show with awful storyboarding, but i guess that straight forward romance wtihout much drama really might be the reason why i consider them to be the best couple by far. hikari wasnt really that bad in dyrl, though.

Yeah but Minmay wasn't too bad in DYRL either, neither was her faggot kung fu hippie bro. Meanwhile in the TV series they were the worst shitters ever.

Delta's biggest problem was the lack of qt meltrans.

>I don't understand kawamori's fetish for making a anime then making a movie that changes the plot.
He explained it years ago; every film or TV show about Macross, are all canon within the Macross universe. They are all artistic reinterpretations of what really happened. So neither the Frontier TV or the Frontier film are absolutely accurate, the truth is somewhere in between.

You should have gotten a hint of that in Frontier when they were shown FILMING the Macross Zero OVA.

>Delta's biggest problem was the lack of qt meltrans.
Meltrans are basically BETTER versions of Windmerians. They are not allowed to appear because it makes the Windmerians, the true protagonists in Delta, look bad,

>Meltrans are basically BETTER versions of Windmerians

Wasn't there like some book info where it was confirmed that Windies were actually made by the protoculture to be superior than Zentradi?

said no one ever

You must be retarded

But not as retarded as you.

>Wasn't there like some book info where it was confirmed that Windies were actually made by the protoculture to be superior than Zentradi?
Fuck no, Windies have the massive flaw of not living very long. Zentradi and Meltrans have the same physical enhancements AND also have massively long lifespans, making them good investments and lower upkeep and replacements. There is a reason Windies are left to rot on one planet in the fringe, while Zentradi were mass produced across the galaxy.

>t. retard

A retard calling another person a retard.

God Bless.

I think my brain may be failing me. I do remember someone posting about how the Protoculture produced the windies as their children to attack the Zentradi. Made them stronger but also but a life span restriction on them because they learned from the Zentradis rebelling. As a way to put them on a leash, mind you.

Remind me again why the Windies thought they were the true heirs of the Protoculture? Wasn't it because they're the ones most in tune with the protoculture? I forgot after the trainwreck of the second half.

I may need to re-watch Delta.

>Remind me again why the Windies thought they were the true heirs of the Protoculture? Wasn't it because they're the ones most in tune with the protoculture? I forgot after the trainwreck of the second half.
Windies think they are the heir of protoculture the same way WW2 Germans thought they were the masterrace after losing WW1; to nurse their hurt egos. They realised they were short-changed, that they had to literally burn their own lifespan in order to use their superpowers, and they had to invent a false narrative to make themselves feel better.

>the same way WW2 Germans thought they were the masterrace after losing WW1
a country 1/3rd the size of texas with virtually no access to any natural resources worth noting forces the entire planet into a war to stop them. sounds pretty impressive if you ask me. if anything the windarians are japanese because they suicide for power (burn their lifespan)

>Remind me again why the Windies thought they were the true heirs of the Protoculture?
WE

The Windies are straight up ww2 Japan. They even had their own space co-prosperity sphere going along with their inferiority complex and the justification that because they were natives to the region their conquest was somehow more just than that of others.

Some interviews

I think there are 4 more, but I can't find them