What "happened back then"?

what "happened back then"?

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She was abused as a child. This is covered in more detail in a 2015 story arc. Hopefully the anime will get to that point sometime.

is her personality due to trauma or autism?

Raped by guitarbro
Why do you think she ran away after spotting him at the konbini?

are you assuming he's a pedo because he has anime figures?
that's a bit racist

War. War never changes.

She found out that napalm sticks to kids.

The biyoris have lived difficult lives

Trauma. She was a LOT more normal a couple of years before the series started.

She never left the jungle.

>Trauma. She was a LOT more normal a couple of years before the series started.

see that's bullshit

Okinawa plane crash which made them stuck in the time loop, not being able to prevent it, forever.

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You don't want to know.

Reminder that she couldn't save them.

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I would love to watch a Vietnam war series where nobody acknowledges Renge as a little girl.

What are Sup Forums's recommended Namkinos besides Apocalypse Now and FMJ?

>start NNB
>"It ain't me starts playing"

Sending her to 'nam was the right choice.

Did you forget what happened back then? I guess I can't blame you. After what had transpired, all of us probably did a little forgetting.

Third worlder here, just what the hell went on in Vietnam?

>Third worlder here, just what the hell went on in Vietnam?
USA got BTFO by rice farmers

This but unironically.

1950s
Vietnam gonna turn gommie
>Muh capitalizm >muh truman doctrine
America shouts
US invades, rice farmers with old AKs and sandals BTFO the world's most advanced military
US backs out a decade or so later
As usual, millions dead and displaced when US gets involved

fag

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Welcome to hell, Vietnam
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Should have just nuked them

>France fucks up colonial war so bad that Vietnam turns commie
>Begs America to step in (no war declared)
>America steps in accidentally escalating the whole conflict
>give Victor Charlie horrifying losses and commit many atrocities in order to stop commies
>aren't allowed to actually invade North Vietnam to win the war because of politics
>stuck to just defending incompetent South Vietnamese
>traitors back at home convince politicians to end the intervention
>military victory to US but political stalemate
>after US leaves, Charlie immediately breaks treaty and invades South Vietnam, killing many civilians and forcing a mass evacuation of everyone who didn't want to live under commies
>now children are still being born fucked up from Napalm, Agent Orange and other chemicals the US used
Basically a police action like Korea that people call a war for whatever reason where the US killed so many of the enemy in such creative ways that it was a war crime but couldn't finish them off because of politics.

hurrrrr
Platoon and Hamburger Hill for the war itself ; The Deer Hunter, Birdy and unironically Rambo First Blood for the soldiers aftermath, the 317th Section if you want the prequel.
Also don't miss The Vietnam War documentary serie by Ken Burns, well paced, entertaining and has some pretty amazing interviews, really unmissable even if not perfect.
After that rewatch Apocalypse Now because it's just too good compared to the rest.

>>France fucks up colonial war so bad that Vietnam turns commie
Because of course it had nothing to do with the USSR and China sending "intellectual" commies they had spent years forming in their "universities" in pretty much every colonized territory to build armed communists movements financed by them, that would be silly hahaha.

Communism just spontaneously appears in illiterate jungle countries under colonial rule, it's just how it goes, historical materialism tells me so haha.

>USA lost the Vietnam "War"
Stop memeing Europoors

Fun fact, the United States has not actually declared a war since World War 2. All the so called American "wars" you see post WW2 are actually interventions and policing actions.

Going to go /k/ here, what is the context of the background? Are those Brits/Aussies? Where is that happening?

First Blood

>it's not war it's "intervention"
>USA never declared war on anyone either hurr durr
Yeah they never declared war on anyone they just made up shit like this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident at every opportunity to get involved whenever they felt like it.

jacob´s ladder.

>Commies start taking over Vietnam
>We step in on the shithead south Vietnamese side because Truman doctrine
>don't want to start ww3 with china so can't move north
>spend years throwing draftees into meat grinder
>commit numerous atrocities
>achieve jack shit
>finally get fed up and leave
>South Vietnam falls immediately after
>AMERICA, FUCK YEAH

Yes, what your point? It's still not a war because we never declared.

kek

>Can't lose a war if you never declare war.

4D Burger chess

You don't get to define what is a war in this context. Everybody with half a neuron agrees it was.

>don't declare a war
>hurr durr it was a war because I said so hurrrrr
Yeah okay

Y'all know any good anime with cute girls at war?

The USA failed literally every objective it had in Vietnam. How can you call that anything but a loss?

Sun Tzu realised that war is more than just battles and feats of arms in the 6th century BC, but America in the 20th century AD still couldn't realise that it takes more to win a war than just killing the enemy. You utterly failed to consider an entire front of the war, the home front and thus, you lost just as much as if a commander had completely ignored his flank during battle and thus had his centre turned.

You can whine and complain that you achieved some tactical, military objectives and never lost a straight fight, but the fact is that you didn't consider the war as a whole action of the state. You lost. Deal with it. America is FAR from invincible.

>fight communist in vietnam
>vietnam becomes communist nation

thats a lost in my book.

>invade foreign territory but get BTFO by fucking rice farmers
USA USA USA

>kill rice farmers in a 20 to 1 ratio and shitstomp them so bad that it's a war crime
>leave after brokering a treaty where they leave South Vietnam alone
>they immediately break the treaty like the communist dogs they are
>only reason we were in Vietnam to begin with is because of Eurofaggots begged us to
>somehow "our" loss
We already left. Wasn't our problem. Sucks for the South Vietnamese but whatever.

>all these retards posting 'nam songs but not I Was Only 19
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>Deal with it
Dealing with it would mean that we would have to concede to the various communist/socialist radicals that formed the opposition to the war, and that's quite unacceptable. We failed to keep SV commie-free, but we can still look on the highlights of using the war as a means of re-vamping various parts of our military and still kicking ass during various parts of the war. Feels much better than taking everything as doom and gloom and crying in a corner about it.
>America is FAR from invincible
Try invading us, see what happens. Try sinking a carrier, see what happens. Try to actually fight a full-scale war with us, see what happens. We're not invincible, but we'll do a damn good job of ruining your day.

>Invade
The South Vietnamese invited us.

>kill unarmed farmers
>DAMN WE'RE BADASS
>gets btfo by the actual military and still has PTSD 50 years later

>>only reason we were in Vietnam to begin with is because of Eurofaggots begged us to
lol, american actually believe this shit
No one asked you to send combat troops in vietnam shithead

>we
>says the dude sitting on a chair shitposting on Sup Forums
You should be doing something about China, those ugly chinks are filthy commies and they are going to overtake your economy.

>By the actual military
What, the PAVN? We were quite good at pushing their shit in as well
>Still has PTSD
And the Vietnamese don't? You ever read any memoirs written by VC/PAVN vets? They're rather depressing.

>gets btfo by the actual military
What? When did that happen?

God I hate Americans so much holy fuck Americans god dammit how could they do this fuck god dammit America.

Boy I sure love anime

Yes, because killing the enemy TOTALLY works and is how wars end. Here's a fucking notion for you: Wars do not end until the OTHER guy says it ends. As long as one of you hangs on, there is still a war and the fighting will not stop. You never did a damn thing to break the spirit of the Vietnamese; you only ever strengthened it. It's a lesson you STILL haven't learned, as you're still using the tactics that lost you Vietnam, against terrorists in the Middle East today. You're treating these wars like they're a repeat of WW2, against an organised, national, conventional force, rather than against an insurgency that draws its support from a local populate resentful of foreign intervention!

Your objective in Vietnam was to stop it turning communist. It ended up communist. Call me crazy, but that seems pretty god-damn clearly like a failure and a loss!

Accepting you lost is the first step to changing your military to actually be effective in fighting these kinds of wars again. If you refuse to admit fault, you're going to stagnate; you already HAVE stagnated!

America is almost unbeatable in a straight fight, yes, but no-one NEEDS to fight you to beat you! Why would you engage an enemy's strongest forces, when he has an obvious weak point for you to exploit? And America's weak points are its inability to fight an asymmetrical war, and its vulnerability to public opinion. There's no need to invade America, when you can break it from the inside out.

France asked us to declare war actually.

Are people on this board, ITT, that unironically the (((USA army))) is the good guy?

>repeating the same talking points from a high school world history textbook

Stay mad Charlie

You're better off not knowing.

If it's so basic that highschool kids can grasp it, how hasn't the entirety of the US government and military brass?

>caring about what happens to countries after you leave them
>being this much of a eurofag
When we left they weren't commie, so it's our win. If they get steamrolled afterwards, it isn't our problem. Get it through your gay European skull.

>China
>communist
HOWLING

You're right, even if you are a gay European.

Also, this whole conversation is super off topic and this thread is gonna get nuked.

She was a toddler a few years before the series started

>typical high school "why aren't world leaders as smart as I am" attitude
bruh

>Something about China
Continue to stall them at sea, find a way to stop their hackers from stealing our bloody tech, wait for their housing bubble to pop. I will say we're locked into a bit of an untenable symbiotic relationship right now, Nixon should've thought ahead when he went buddy-buddy with Mao back in the 70's.
>Shitposting on Sup Forums
And you're not?
You're welcome.
>Changing your military
We have. Did you forget how we curbstomped Iraq so hard in '91 that we made the rest of the world shit bricks? People thought we were going to incur massive casualties. As for the insurgencies in Iraq/A-stan, we've suffered only a few thousand casualties compared to the tens of thousands in Vietnam. The objectives were/still are muddy and the leadership still sucks, but I'd consider that better than Vietnam. Even if it means we're stuck there for the time being.
>you already HAVE stagnated
How so? We developed the best fighter aircraft in the world following the Vietnam War based off of how shitty our pilots did. We developed body armor, improved methods of training, stopped conscription, and created new doctrines after the war.
>Inability to fight an asymmetrical war
Wouldn't say unable as far as the leadership having their heads up their asses. Look up Jim Gant in Afghanistan, a Green Beret who actually had a working model for converting Afghan tribes to fight for the US, then got shitcanned by a superior. Also to take the gloves off fully and crush an insurgency would be preferable, but we have such a shitty relationship with our PR that it doesn't happen.
>Public opinion
Wouldn't matter if we were fighting a real war instead of an insurgency. For the first few years (and really even now in certain parts of the country) no one gave a fuck about tearing Iraq/A-stan up. Hell if we invaded North Korea tomorrow you'd probably still get some opposition, but the vast majority of people would say that the Norks had it coming.

Mil-indust complex will insist on its old practices because it makes bank and because the armed forces, like congress, is a bunch of shit for brains boomers playing at running the world despite being at least forty years out of touch with literally everything

What really pisses me off is the 70-30 air campaign was breaking the VCs and the Democrats went ahead and sandbagged it just so they could make us leave the poor commies alone.

>sandbagged
*sabotaged

>Canada does more work than usa in a war.
>Usa gets all the credit.
Are americans retarded?

You tell me.

Except that America really fucking DID care what happened to Vietnam. That's the whole fucking reason you were there in the first place. International geopolitics is not like a mission in a video game where if you hit the victory objective, everything else stops and you get to declare you won; it is a game with no end and a million ways to fail. Domino Theory and the Truman Doctrine meant that America's objective was to stop Vietnam falling to communism, in perpetuity. Regardless of when or how it happened, it happened and as it turns out, it happened the moment you Americans pulled out.

We have words for that: Retreat and surrender. You left your enemy to do whatever they pleased to the place, because your leaders at the time realised you had LOST and were cutting their losses from 'catastrophic' to merely 'horrendous'.

You have failed to point out any way I am actually wrong.

>we curbstomped Iraq so hard in '91
Yes, because you were facing a military built along the same lines as yours, but much smaller and weaker. Meanwhile, you eventually had to pull out after the Second Gulf War, because you were never actually able to eradicate Al Qaeda, who were basically doing exactly what the Vietcong did, but with mountains rather than jungle.
>We developed the best fighter aircraft in the world
Yes because we all know that air superiority fighters are clearly needed to take out those dastardly terrorist air forces. You've built the best snorkel in the world, when you're trying to climb Everest.
>the leadership having their heads up their asses
That is exactly what I meant. EVERY part of a state is involved in a war, not just the troops in the field.
>if we were fighting a real war
That's the crucial thing. EVERY way is a 'real war', but you are fighting them all wrong. America is over-extended and the cracks in your entire political system, as well as your socio-cultural divides have become clear to the entire world.

>You're treating these wars like they're a repeat of WW2, against an organised, national, conventional force, rather than against an insurgency that draws its support from a local populate resentful of foreign intervention!
That's not true though, tactics were changed to fit the nature of not having a clear front line but having groups of insurgents occupying certain areas and such.

>Your objective in Vietnam was to stop it turning communist. It ended up communist. Call me crazy, but that seems pretty god-damn clearly like a failure and a loss!
I'm not anyone else claiming the US didn't lose but it's not like the US fell flat on their face because they were so incompetent they just couldn't fulfill their objective due to the political side of war so they withdrew.

>Accepting you lost is the first step to changing your military to actually be effective in fighting these kinds of wars again.
>again
Explain

>America is almost unbeatable in a straight fight, yes, but no-one NEEDS to fight you to beat you! Why would you engage an enemy's strongest forces, when he has an obvious weak point for you to exploit? And America's weak points are its inability to fight an asymmetrical war, and its vulnerability to public opinion. There's no need to invade America, when you can break it from the inside out.
There are things America can't do due to public opinion and politics but America certainly isn't broken.

Nice anime thread

I warned you about the military industrial complex, bro. I told you, dog.

Meant for

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>USA bankrolls and supplies the allies
>singlehandedly takes on Japan while also fighting Germany in a two front war
>make D-day possible
Keep crying your maple syrup tears Canuck

I don't get how burgers can bitch about their government so much and still be so nationalistic. It's like when the government is trying to establish basic health care it's the end of the world, but if they're bombing poor people all around the world it's somehow their duty to support them no matter what.

> Meanwhile, you eventually had to pull out after the Second Gulf War, because you were never actually able to eradicate Al Qaeda, who were basically doing exactly what the Vietcong did, but with mountains rather than jungle.
>This fundamental level of misunderstanding about what Al Qaeda is
nigga just kys, you don't know nearly as much as you think you do. most of AQ's foreign fighters are fucking flatlanders with no mountain skills whatsoever. All they're good for is building bombs and killing scores of their fellow believers.

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America would never have been in there if the French did ask for it. We didn't want to be there to begin with and we were glad to leave.

>pulling out your military which was stuck in Saigon because all outside territory was already lost
>w-we d-didn't lose w-we just pulled out
>s-so what we lost literally every piece of territory except the capital and had the evacuate the city at the last moment?

Love the country, hate the establishment hacks. The country and the state are two different things, unlike what you Europeons have been taught (indoctrinated) into thinking. We'd love to have basic healthcare but our tax dollars are too busy defending and subsidizing your gay European ass. Maybe we should pull out all our military and aid and focus on our people for once and leave you open to an assfucking from Russia.

It's because Republicans are subhuman.

Are you fucking retarded? The North Vietnamese never took an inch of South Vietnamese soil when the US was still in the war. Saigon only fell after the US left the war and the VCs broke their treaty with the South Vietnamese.
>European education

>tactics were changed to fit the nature of not having a clear front line
You've changed your tactics, but not your strategy. You can win battles and still lose the war. How many times has the leader of a major terrorist cell been killed, only for another to pop up? How many thousands of insurgents have been killed and yet they always have new recruits? How many bases have been air-striked, yet they always have another one? THEY are attacking you in your most vulnerable and vital areas, but YOU are not striking at what supports them; their money from foreign parties; their arms supplies; and most vitally, their support among the population. You have to make a peaceful life, co-operating with you and your allies, seem more appealing than joining the terrorists and what they provide for them.

You need to practice Fabian tactics, making your position unfavorable to attack, while also building infrastructure and improvements to the quality of life of the locals. If you engage the enemy, you are only ever fighting on their terms.

>America certainly isn't broken
...I'm not going to argue that point here, but I will say just look at the riots in your cities; look at the divide between rich and poor; look at your faltering economy; look at the deadlock in the halls of power; look at how your own political parties are more concerned with getting power over the other, than in actually serving the nation.

To anyone who's studied history, America looks a lot like the waning days of the Western Roman Empire - decadent, in decline, but unable to see it past its own internal strife.

France gave America the excuse they needed and once the door was open, you vastly surpassed what the French asked of you, to make the war your own, for your own reasons. By the end of it, the French had written the colony off as lost and Vietnam was an all-American conflict.

>the first things americans think of upon reading "trauma" are veterans from the many wars they fought

t. quadroon la raza democunt mutt

I'm guessing that the americans would've thrown an even bigger hissy fit if they got nuked

>To anyone who's studied history, America looks a lot like the waning days of the Western Roman Empire - decadent, in decline, but unable to see it past its own internal strife.

this is exactly the pseud bullshit i expect to read from a high school student thinking he's the world's greatest military historian. that's a thin fucking line of reasoning and historically everyone's been shit at predicting the fall of empires