Why did Higashiyama Shou trace?

Why did Higashiyama Shou trace?

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Fuck you for reminding me of Prism.

everyone traces

so what

How is that traced?

Just the hand

Is this better?

Because he wanted to

Is that a colored WW2 video of a bombing run?

THE GREAT WIZARD WORLD WAR

Looks a bit traced with some adjustments. That being said, I don't give a fuck whether it's traced or not. It's not like the photographer is losing revenue over it. Just seems like a fun bit of trivia and not something to chimp out over, especially since Higashiyama still drew the stuff in his own style.

The important question is, will he be sued for this?

Artists use references. Who knew.

The lack of tramp stamp makes Higashiyama's version superior, even with the added bikinis.

So, what’s the difference between trace and reference? If you are good at drawing, wouldn’t be good sign that your artwork resembles the most what you were using as reference?
Also, I don’t care about the mangaka is just that anons seem to have stupid expectations about people who draw, like when they acuse them of not drawing the backgrounds and using edited photos.

there's nothing wrong with traces, most of the manga and hentai artists even using designDoll. It is never wrong to use something as reference.

>references = tracing

I remember a fujo mangaka who lost her work after they discovered she traced her covers and illustrations. Curious part is Levi’s, the brand from which she used the pictures, even published an statement where they said they felt flattered and didn’t pretend to sue her. She still lost her job.

Does this board knows the differences between tracing and reference?

It's lazy. It's a step above using photoshop filters to make backgrounds. In this case he takes a photo, traces the outline of the body, draws a animu face over it and calls it his work. This guy probably traces cp as well.

If you're an even half way competent draftsman there won't be any difference.

>retards trying to justify tracing with "hurrdurr it's just using a reference"
Except tracing requires zero skill as you're just literally drawing on top of a picture and maybe changing a couple minor details afterward to make it more anime, whereas looking at a reference to learn to draw something new or complicated helps you improve and in the future draw said things without help. Even if the art "looks good" it's worth shit if it's traced since it lacks any creativity needed to compose poses, angles, expressions, and is just an easy way for shit artists to make a quick buck off of idiots like you who think that tracing is fine just because they can fap to the result.
You're free to like an artist regardless of their work methods but spare yourself the trouble of trying to sound smart with retarded arguments of why tracing is totes alright just because you want to somehow justify your shit taste in artists.

This board doesn't know anything about art or animation.

>references

That's just fingers, I see no problem with it. If he would trace everything, from face to hair, like Land or Larocca, that would be pretty bad.
99% of anime backgrounds are traced or painted over photos, by the way.

>99% of anime backgrounds are traced or painted over photos, by the way.
And the rest are literal photos with some filters slapped on top.

>The hand are exact 100% copy of it
That just disgusting.

If a digital artist can't replicate his skill using traditional materials in front of you, he or she is guaranteed shit.

I love commissioning artists on our local comic conventions to draw their stuff

I remember Sup Forums's shitstorm over some deviantart guy who His galleries are just a tracers of many manga artist with his own style.
I guess Sup Forums's is fine with it now.

I insist again, you are free to cry all you want, but what you believe is an effort or not, is just an opinion. Go and make your own manga using photos and photoshop and show us the lazy way.

Do you know the difference between your opinion and a lawsuit? That can be considered a legal ground for tracing, several comic artists got a stain in their careers with confirmed "reference" shots that went over the line.

While there's nothing inherently wrong with tracing, it's just shitty craftmanship. I can literally do it myself. What's the use of having professional artists at that point

Then do it, become rich and show us the result.

All competent artists use paint overs/tracing to save time. Tard artists from /ic/ use it as crutch like Sakimi and Kron

>While there's nothing inherently wrong with tracing
Lawsuits wouldn't be applied if it wasn't wrong.

How the fuck the bottom right image in OP post is a fucking opinion?

Everything except the face lines up perfectly.

Shou is a talentless hack that traces photos and just draws heads on them.

What freaks me out in cases like this is that tracers always pick boring ass composition to trace over. Like that NGNL guy who used bits of other people's works, but the originals were just uninspired cute girl images. Just draw your own lame picture, jesus

Because there's nothing wrong with tracing.

Tracing over a photo takes no skill at all. Constructing a drawing from countless studies and understanding form takes skill. What part of that don't you understand? If an artist traces a photo, the photographer and models don't get any credit for their work unless someone happens to recognize it.

Bad example because I can tell this wasn't traced(there's visible differences) but heavily referenced instead.

>Except tracing requires zero skill
Then why when artists like Togashi trace it looks like a good picture, but every time when I tried to trace it looked like an abomination from the depths of WikiHow?

>One cover
>A single scene
People on this board need to stop being retarded.

>literally 80% resemblance.
>Meanwhile in OP

That's what 3D models and wood dolls are for, to draw poses with reference, tracing shit is not an excuse for "reference" when there's so many tools to help an actual compentent artist nowadays.

I usually don't give a fuck about it, unless the tracing artist doesn't even bother to change the character design, like that one dude who traced Kenpachi from Bleach of all things. I guess for me it also depends on whether the traced stuff changes medium. A manga or comic artist copying another manga or comic feels like banking in one someone elses work in the same medium, whereas I don't feel all that strong about someone tracing a photo, movie or technical blueprint. Taking a fashion catalog photo or an iconic album cover and turning it seamlessly into a panel of a manga or a scene in anime seems clever to me, even cool if done well, as long as the artist does it in his own style.

References is not tracing.
HOLY FUCK THIS BOARD IS FUCKING DUMB!

Hands are hard, but the rest of the image can hardly be called "traced"

You need to stop being a retarded tracing apologist.

>Looks a bit traced

Literally the exact same except changed colors and a generic anime head. It's complete hack work. I'm glad Shou got called out and shut down for his shitty theft.

Same cloth and body lines.

You're a retard apologist and literally wrong.

That was Ossbourne’s son, isn’t it? That was just pathetic, panel by panel tracing and from Bleach, is showing how dumb you are.

It is traced you fucking retard, reference is taking a wooden doll and mount a pose for it, for fuck's sake actual talented artists can draw entire crowds of people doing varied things out of their own minds alone, the video with Takehiko Inuoe drawing a crowd for Vagabond is pure magic, he does it free hand.

>quibble quibble
'kay

I wonder how many of you ever pick up a pen and draw before?

Even the fucking icecream cone is perfectly traced. Shou sucks.

How does someone even come across the originals?

So, is him being sued or he bought the photos?

Well color me wrong. Still a good read.

Wrong musician. It was Gene Simmons' boy.

Because togashi actually knows how to draw but is also a lazy faggot, while you don't know how to draw and are too lazy to learn.

>Japs nows for their hardcore loves for porn and gravures.
>Lets tracer them, I bet most of these idiots won't know.
Is this artist retarded?

Yes it was Gene's kid, his comic got published once but once the tracing allegations got out the publisher axed it.

Take Prism and tell me if you had noticed that the manga is at any point traced, if you didn't know beforehand. If not, then I guess Higashiama has brought enough artistic initiative to it to make it look seamless and his own. Assuming he traced every single panel in his manga, I'd say it's quite a feat to make it look coherent.

I see, my bad.

>Oh fuck I got called out on being wrong due to being a retard
>Better try to be smug anyway
That's just sad user. I'm glad you at least admitted you are wrong though. I'm not even the person that called you out here and I think you look bad.

That one was fucking disgusting of Sup Forums. The dude didn't trace anything, the only similarity was the pose used in each.

I wonder how many times tracing aplogists use the "let's see you do it then" excuse.

You should take a figure drawing class and see how many times they have you draw wooden dolls.

>, reference is taking a wooden doll and mount a pose for it, f
That is one example of reference you dumb fuck.
What kind of wooden dolls exist for cars or landscape you dumb fuck.

Prism was trash and I'm glad it got killed.

That's why I use only obscure Russian home porn for tracing!

The big one was some celebrity's kid's published comic blatantly tracing from several different manga.

You think you can fool Anonymous?!?!

Sup Forums has been infested with apologists for Shou for years because they like to masturbate to his porn.

And the first reply already put words in my mouth. as expected of Sup Forumsutist.

Not an answer to my question.

No.

His bodies look too realistic is the only thing I can tell from a glance compared to the faces he draws. I don't look through millions of photos and recognize everything he traced but there are people that have and posted the comparisons in this thread. Why are you defending tracing that only hacks do? No self-respecting artist would trace.

HOLY SHIT what is going on here

Guys, I have a question. What about comics? Once I read they also just trace real people and backgrounds, and that would make sense when you see the awful faces they put in the characters.

Why do you have a folder dedicated to discrediting someone whose work epitomizes the superiority of 2D over 3D? Is it because you're a faggot?

The answer then is yes. It was always janky and proportions changed from shot to shot in ways that go beyond just typical bad manga flux.

I never knows that Sho was tracing, but please tell me that I wasn't the only one who feels that his art sometime feel a little uncanny?

-t Show.

Nice literal ad hominem there friend. I don't have a folder designated to it, just a few images in my main folder.
His "work" is just shitty traces, it is 3dpd.

This is what an actual artist looks like.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cz4D0RFmITM

>It is traced
Except it's not, you dingus

It was because it wasn't his art.

Tracing is honestly not that hard to spot, especially if you've practiced drawing at all.

that's no different from what Higashiyama Shou does. shou could do that if he wanted but wants to do something new and different instead, like picasso.

Why should I care if someone traces, I get better art and it doesnt impact anyone negatively.

There are car models for that, retard. Real and 3D ones.

real 2D is perfection created from the mind of some lonely pervert. This guy just traces over 3D and slaps his trademark face on it. If you fapped to his lolis you probably fapped to 2nd hand cp. I'm just trying to save you from the feds.

>Once I read they also just trace real people and backgrounds,
Most people can differentiated that because they gives less fuck in making it look good so its feels like a photo that was changed using filter.
People also don't care because it also speed up the less important part so manga/comic artist can focus on other.

But if you trace your main character, then of course people will shit on you.

Whoa, is Inoue autistic
lmao

the technically, legally, correct way of referencing other work without the rights

>and it doesnt impact anyone negatively.
The actual owner of the original property having their shit stolen by someone making a profit on their back.

You're just an otaku who can't stand looking at real people and seethes when he realized his anime porn isn't totally separate from it.