Saber in Zero
>Conflicts with Kerry
>Debates with two other kings
>Self reflection about her wish
>Guilt for Lancelot
>Despair
Saber in Fate/Stay night
>Wheres the paltry Shiro
>You need to do X Shiro
>I dont approve Y Shiro
>Please have sex with me Shiro
>Lets have fun in Avalon Shiro
She "developed" from a marginally coherent character to a soulless waifu zombie for 13 year old japanese autists
Thats the power of the D
But Zero is after HA and FSN
Oh look, it's a Beast's Lair child trying to pretend he played the game instead of just speed-watching DEEN's production.
The game is free user
Stop pretending you didn't just skim a summary, OP. It's fucking insulting at this point.
HA is literally the best Fate Installment
Good, it should be. Saber is the epitome of cancer when it comes to servants. Everything in the OP was true, it made Fate route into fucking moe
Saber in Zero
>retarded as fuck
>jobber bitch
Saber in FSN
>retarded as fuck
>cringy moeblob
>jobber bitch unless it’s her route and it’s asspull o’clock
Is it worth watching the DEEN anime, if only to understand the Fate route?
You don’t wanna understand the Fate route. It will always be the biggest laughingstock of the whole Fate franchise, moreso than lesbian loli service and Fate Shitocrypha.
Play the VN, you little bitch. Also, the DEEN series is not as bad as people make it out to be now. Everyone liked it at the time.
That said, it's aged horribly, especially compared to the UFO adaptations.
There is no need to watch DEEN's UBW
Why should I torture myself with Nasu's shitty prose?
So that you can bitch about it
Because it's a fantastic comedy.
また中国人か
Kiritsigu saw Saber the warrior
Shirou eventually got to see Artoria the woman
So you can feel superior to others and shitpost about it
>154cm
>42kg
>14 years old
>"Woman"
Shiggy, shes the king of womanlets
Mollusk
But I can do that without putting myself through that hell. Plus, right now I have the flu, so I'm not really in the mood for masochism.
Seems like she's a perfect fit for King of Manlets
Go back to the board you came from
Seething Gilfag detected
One was written by a half decent writer, and the other by a man-child hack with good ideas and world-building
Don't bother preaching to these guys. The summary of their exposure was some online recommendation to Fate/Zero and a speed-read of the rest on Beast's Lair. I bet they don't even know what the crux of Saber and Shirou's argument was about.
>Zero
>Written by Butcher
>Not Zero
>Porn game with rudimentary plot
>Saber is best girl
>was raised as a boy
really makes you thinik
>BL
>liking Zero
ZeroSaber > F/SNSaber
this is fact
based
I wouldn't say Urobuchi has good ideas and worldbuilding, most of the shit he pulls is just the same lame basic tragedy.
>"Rudimentary" plot
>Plot so good it spawned three different adaptations and a hundred spinoffs
Fuck off
Zero Saber
>muh chivalry
>muh honor
>*Jobs*
>*autistic screeching*
>REEEEEE Kiritsugu
>Tragic ending only enjoyed by edgytards
F/SN Saber
>gets over her issues
>becomes human again
>Wins the sword's D
>Defeats Gilgatrash and other servants despite being the underdog nerfed by her master
>Bittwrsweet ending enjoyed by the people with taste
Shirou had absolutely zero clue as to what was actually going on until about halfway through the story, and he refused to listen to Saber and constantly put himself in danger for no reason at all.
Her basic reaction was to be cynical and weary after the events in Zero basically shattered her idealism. Ironically, Shirou's restored her faith in her principles.
FSN was translated by a student who had both English and Japanese as second languages.
>and he refused to listen to Saber and constantly put himself in danger for no reason at all.
Saber did the same fucking thing...or are you forgetting when she attacked the temple despite Shirou and Rin's better judgement? When she put herself in danger and nearly exposed her NP to the enemy?
Shirou and Saber where two stubborn fools at the start of the route. They only get better after the Shinji fight, where they work together.
I thought Takajun was a Japanese teenager when he translated it.
No, you're right, but as a servant it's her job to fight and die. Shirou treats the whole thing like a fucking game, even after Rin damn near killed him to drive the point home.
If Shirou fought in the Fourth War instead of Kerry, he'd be the first one dead. He's too stupid to live.
I mean the guy admits right there that even native Japanese speakers think his writing is amateurish. Yeah I'm sure the translation did him no favors but lets not pretend it would be amazing if it was translated better, the plot is still plodding and the characters are stilted
Nasu isn't a literary master, but that doesn't mean that his writing is bad. Most of the things people complain about regarding his writing is the result of the translation.
>Most of the things people complain about regarding his writing is the result of the translation.
Even the mollusk stuff?
You're confusing the Deen anime with the actual Fate route. Rin facing against Shirou was an additional Deen put in their anime that belongs to the UBW route.
In Fate, they join up together right after their loss again Berserker
>No, you're right, but as a servant it's her job to fight and die
No. Her job is to fight and win. Doing what she did is being reckless and stupid. Not doing her job. She really was no different from Shirou.
>If Shirou fought in the Fourth War instead of Kerry, he'd be the first one dead. He's too stupid to live.
Waver lived until the end but then again he didn't had Shirou's distortion.
It's not really a question of stupidity in that case
I don't think Waver was an idiot, at least in a strategic sense. He was a fool for getting into the war, and he was lucky to find a great servant.
The sex scenes are the most badly translated parts of FSN. TakaJun didn't want to do it and he spent as little time and effort on them as possible. As a result you have literal translations of metaphors as well as bad word choices all over them. It's the equivalent of a hypothetical translation from English that goes "I took my rooster and trust it into her cat".
Shirou would have died in the 4th Grail War because he knew nothing about the war and he'd have had nobody to explain things to him.
Shirou could be quite intelligent. His "stupidity" was more the result of his insanity that made him want to die for others and his inability to accept that others might value him since he didn't give himself any value.
>Japanese sex sounds like an ocean documental
>English sex sounds like visiting the farm
Super interesting.
The guy also praises Nasu's writing and disctinct praise. But you're only nitpicking the negatives.
>Lucky to find a great servant
He litterally cucked KFC. Stole RIDER right from under his nose
that may have been for the best. I like the translation, and Fate can get pretty grim at times, and it helps to cheer up.
upvote
Waver was weak as shit but he did the reasonable thing and remained holed up in his house as much as he could afford to, and when rider dragged him out he was under the protection of an excellent servant that got along with the most broken and dangerous enemies so he got largely ignored.
So yeah, his decision to get into the war was retarded and brash, but once in it he behaved quite decently for someone of his ability.
Also fucking lmaoing at El Melon the first, how the fuck do wizards allow for cloktower workes to just go around lending their important mail to students? This is not a normal university, everyone is one step from gutting each other to discover their secrets or hide their own.
It's hard to find a master who is not a fool in the strategic sense. As naive as he was, Shirou was still better off than the likes of Kayneth, Tokiomi or Kariya
>how the fuck do magi allow for clocktower workers*
Before any mage snob complains about using wrong terms
What did you expect from a bishoujo game? Good writing? Coherent characterisation? Females with their own agenda?
>Good writing? Coherent characterisation?
F/SN has all of those though
>Females with their own agenda?
>Who is Caster?
Saber in HA >>>>>>> Saber in Zero
>Caster
>Agenda
You mean
>WAAAH I WANT TO GET DICKED
>WHY IS THE WORLD SO UNFAIR
>IL FUCK THE FIRST GUY WHO IS NICE AND BE HIS WAIFU FOREVER
>I did not read the VN; the post
Wew
>WAAAH I WANT TO GET DICKED
We've talking about Caster, not Sakura. Caster just wanted to go back to her land and have a wholesome relationship with someone. Considering her legend, that makes perfect sense.
Pretty much, though I wouldn't go as far as to call it outright bad.
I ended up reading Fate first, then Tsukihime/MB and KnK and imagine my surprise when my enjoyment of Nasu's work increased as I went backards in time to his earliest stuff. Magus bullshit is honestly the most interesting shit in the nasuverse, better than dead apostles and servants, yes I said it.
Honourable mention to some of the really cool stuff in HF and Kotomine in general, of course.
>mfw I got to the KnK novels and suddenly realized that El Melloi II Case Files wasn't actually a deviation from the general trend, but an actual return to the basics of Nasu
Admittedly it's a different author, but it really does feel like the Nasuverse going full circle. Too bad the company doesn't see it this way and it's gonna be grail wars from now to the end of times.
>Considering her legend
Autism
I did read the VN, Saber doesnt have agenda in Fate or Heavens feels. In UBW she just larps evil
HA Saber is basically a different character
>A character must behave in the same way in all of the situations they find themselves in
Perhaps Saber is just a character who is far too complex for a brainlet like you?
>Saber
user, are you okay? We're talking about Caster
Also
>If we didn't see something happening it didn't happen
Nope. Caster has an agenda in all routes, it just so happens that UBW is the only route where she is able to make impact. In Fate, she has to deal with Gil attacking the temple and killing Kuzuki and in HF, she is surprised by Assassin invading the temple, killing Kuzuki and then getting cut down by Saber.
A lot of the HA scenes are comedy. Saber is about as in-character as in Carnival Phantasm.
Saber in Extra
>BEST GIRL
>Legends are effectively each servant's backstory and relevant to who they are and what they want to do
>A-autism
Bravo, secondary.
Came here to post this.
>Urobuchi has good ideas and worldbuilding
He meant Nasu by saying manchild hack
Urobuchi has no imagination outside of setting up dark dramatic situations
What's Saber "in character" for you? Brooding all the time, being emo and lamenting her kingdom? You think she is unable to have fun in a fun setting?
I'm sorry but characters in Fate generally aren't reduced to one or two character traits that are frequently repeated throughout all of their appearances
>Sakura
>waits several years to have sex with Shirou and never actually expects it
>Caster
>fucks Kuzuki the very evening they meet eachother
...
>I'm sorry but characters in Fate generally aren't reduced to one or two character traits
Autism. Saber's character isn't "complex" you goon. She's just inconsistent and poorly conceived. She's really a couple characters, at the least, clumsily clumped into one.
I've been thinking, were Shirou and Saber based on Jinto and Lafiel? Nasu did mention in an old DEEN FSN interview that he picked Kawasumi for the role because he was impressed by other character of hers
But that isn't right. Nasu addresses interesting themes with his writing, the one obsessed with darkness and edgy stuff is the manchild Urobuchi
You forgot to add that Sakura fucked Shinji (and worms) on the side everyday, wormfag
They're both manchildren to be fair
It seems to me that you are unable to understand that characters react differently to the settings they find themselves.You think that the characters must always be this one exact thing and that other factors like development and the setting aren't relevant at all. Which is dumb. Archer EMIYA is an example, during UBW, he is behaving as an antagonist because he gets triggered by the presence of his younger self but during events in Grand Order, he is much more relaxed, generally behaving as the "mom" of the group. This isn't inconsistency, it's the character reacting differently to what's around them and acting accordingly.
HA is mostly a light hearted setting which is why the cast is generally enjoying their time, doing what they like to do. The Saber in HA is obviously post FSN development so she isn't an autistic retard gunning for the wish of having her rule erased.
Really, the only inconsistency Saber character has is her overblown love for honor and chivalry, which is an invention for Zero specifically (because Urobuchi likes breaking characters like that) and something you qon't find anywhere else in the series, not even her backstory.
I think the right term is "chuuni"
>why is this shitty eroge VN for teenagers worse than a book written by an actually good (compared to Nasu anyway) writer?
Anyone who isn't a manchild autist already knows Zero and SF are the only worthwhile entries in Fate.
>Enters Zerobait thread
>Zerofags getting BTFO by SN primaries
Bahahahaha some things never change
>Only my edgy stories are worthwhile entires in Fate
Spoken like a true manchild autist
>Reddit spacing
So, Zero secondaries were from reddit all along? I'm not surprised.
>enter Zero thread
>Zerofags making fun of VNbabbies as usual
>make passive aggressive post not replying to anyone in specific in an attempt to soothe the butthurt
I did not know that "fun" for plebbit zerofags was to complain about things they don't know about and then get promptly BTFO by people who obviously know more than then..
S E E T H I N G
Truly Shakespearean
At least the FSN porn scenes are so bad that they became memetic compared to
>"This is the taste of slaughter, it indeed fits a killer like me"
which is just pretentious and sad
>Saber from Zero
autistic jobber chivalry bot
>Saber from FSN/HA
Cute jobber who is slightly less autistic
FSN/HA wins
How would the round table knights react to their King getting a cooking japanese red-haired "wife" ?
Who would approve most and who would disapprove? Would Mordred be jealous of her "mom"?
>autistic jobber chivalry bot
Seems to fit with how she actually behaved like in life.
If nothing else, Zero serves as the transition point that allows her to relax and fall for japanese dick later on.
>The bad eroge a a actually makes it good!
>Seems to fit with how she actually behaved like in life.
Your secondary is showing. Saber definitely wasn't a chivalry bot in her backstory, she sacrificed her own villages in order to win wars.
>If nothing else, Zero serves as the transition point that allows her to relax and fall for japanese dick later on.
Zero brings a forced transition by making her a chivalry/honor obsessed freak when she never was one. Zero added nothing to Saber's character beyond her conflict with Lancelot.
>Badly written porn scenes that are not even 1/100 of all of the plot and that can be taken out without hurting the story make the plot bad!
>Saber definitely wasn't a chivalry bot in her backstory, she sacrificed her own villages in order to win wars.
That's just your expected nobility behavious. Muh chivalry towards the enemy, while throwing your own peasants into the meatgrinder.
>How would the round table knights react to their King getting a cooking japanese red-haired "wife" ?
Most of them would be happy for her.
>Who would approve most
Bedivere
>and who would disapprove?
Agravain
> Would Mordred be jealous of her "mom"?
Yes, but Shirou would win her over with his cooking and may act as a bridge between her and Artoria
>Implying useless and irrelevant porn scenes dont make it bad
I'm an edgelord and i aprove this.
Zero>F/SN
You're clearly a secondary. If you want to discuss Saber's backstory without looking dumb you need to either read the Fate Route or read Garden of Avalon.
>That's just your expected nobility behavious.
No it wasn't. Saber was an autistic machine like king who strived to always make the logical decision no matter the cost, chivalry be damned.
>Muh chivalry towards the enemy, while throwing your own peasants into the meatgrinder.
She also wasn't chivalrous to her enemies. Her first sword, Caliburn, broke because she disrespected one of the laws of chivalry in order to win a fight.