I really hate SAO, it's a shitty disjointed narrative show with an overpowered MC and his lazily written harem

>I really hate SAO, it's a shitty disjointed narrative show with an overpowered MC and his lazily written harem
>btw I like Overlord and Overlord is totally different from other shitty isekai

List your litmus test for stupid people.

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The main thing that makes overlord good is the fact its not the MC looking the same and being the same in another world but OP for x reason

It is are MC playing his character from the MMO and actually roll playing. His harem from what I read/remembered where mostly just NPCs and he already had a big presence in the world before he lived in it.

I've not read them in a bit though never really cared for either but overlord was a far better execution of the elements SAO had and a good execution can save a bad story

SAO isn't even isekai considering how much they are still tied to the real world.

Threads like these are bad. Stop. Talk about anime instead of other retards you interact with in your anime club or on MAL.

There are three main types of protagonists.

1. Overpowered so you can self-insert and feel strong.

2. Weak as with inner strength/fortitude or a hidden power so you can feel hope for yourself as you self insert.

3. Complete garbage so you can look at yourself as a person in real life as being better: "That loser gets a harem and he's absolutely awful, I should be able to do better."

No not really and i've yet to see a no 3 who is as garbage as me

I miss old shonen MC that actually put effort in becoming stronger, just like you should do irl

People like you who think SAO and Overlord are comparable.

Midoriya from HeroAca

>a good execution can save a bad story
No it can't.
It can make it suck less, but it can't make it good.

It depends. A bad execution can destroy a good story.
A good execution can indeed save a bad story. But not always.

It depends. You have to be intelligent enough to understand the implementation, which I didn't really think was a high bar in the case of Overlord, but here we are.

You can make a really generic, overdone stereotypical story and make it incredible with excellent execution. This is why you shouldn't dismiss something as "cliche" right away.

Nobody wants to self insert to midoriya from mha

>Nobody wants to self insert to midoriya from mha
Shut your motherfucking mouth you bitch.

>put effort into crying for the no. 1 quirk
it's a no from me.

>Nobody wants to self insert to midoriya from mha
Get out.

>premise and execution are the same thing
That's a pretty big one.

Both are garbage

I want.

>There are three main types of protagonists.
Embarrassing, watch better anime.

I hate both. Overlord particularly because he literally rewrote an AI to crave for his cock and the guy IRL is a clear underachiever raging at the world rather than doing something to do better by his life. Can't get behind protagonists like that. I'd rather see people try and try even if they fail, ESPECIALLY if they fail. It's why Firekeeper to me was such a damned good manga.

You rarely get an MC that allows his past fallacies to motivate every step he takes. How he was lazy and uncaring before and now take things to the hilt. How he used to be a coward but remembers being a coward did nothing for him. You rarely have an MC who lets those regrets motivate him and is just angry in general at an "unfair world". It's like they didn't both with a life at all and are expecting me to sympathize with people who don't try but cut the shortest route through the forest.

How am I supposed to root for that? It's the journey, not the destination.

If you think the two are comparable you really have missed the point of each badly. Especially since the only way you can compare them is to overly simplify both.

>I hate both. Overlord particularly because he literally rewrote an AI to crave for his cock and the guy IRL is a clear underachiever raging at the world rather than doing something to do better by his life.
>Implying this isn't how most of gamers act in real life.
Pathetic.

>Overlord particularly because he literally rewrote an AI to crave for his cock and the guy IRL is a clear underachiever raging at the world rather than doing something to do better by his life.

You didn't even finish the first episode did you?

>Implying this isn't how most of gamers act in real life.
>Pathetic.
I have plenty of friends who ran the fighting game circuit. One of them was even a rep for the BlazBlue. I myself suck cock at any fighting game that isn't KOF, but considering about 3/5 of them are now married or engaged with fruitful lives, I can probably say that this isn't how gamers actually are. There's a difference between a sad sack who can't find the keys to his life's ignition and a guy who found it and crashed.

>You didn't even finish the first episode did you?
>Episode

I read the manga up until Chapter 7. Nothing of the story told me that the main character was someone to root for, cry next to or sympathize with. It feels way too much like a "rage against what life didn't give me" outlet from his perspective than he is someone to actually raise a fist next to and cheer when he achieves something. I bet there aren't even moments of self doubt and he needs his friends or even an enemy to snap him to his senses and realize that there's a choice to sit around and mope and angst or to do something about it.

>I read the manga up until Chapter 7. Nothing of the story told me that the main character was someone to root for, cry next to or sympathize with. It feels way too much like a "rage against what life didn't give me" outlet from his perspective than he is someone to actually raise a fist next to and cheer when he achieves something. I bet there aren't even moments of self doubt and he needs his friends or even an enemy to snap him to his senses and realize that there's a choice to sit around and mope and angst or to do something about it.
I don't think you're aware of the nonsense you're writing. Did you forget that he is trapped inside the game or did you just speedwatched?
Or you're maybe assuming things since they didn't show anything about his life in the real world yet?

And what friends is he going to talk with? And what enemies? One of the reasons of what he is doing is to spread his guild name to see if anyone who got trapped in the game like him finds him and talks with him about it.

You said Overlord is worse than SAO and you are criticizing the MC for it. I could put a damned wall of text about that topic but I wont waste my time on that.

Have a nice day.

>Did you forget that he is trapped inside the game or did you just speedwatched?

You fuck-damned piece of shit. He's not "trapped". Trapped is the unwillingness to be in a spot. He may not have had a hand in choosing where he was to be, he's damn well enjoying where he is right now compared to where he was before.

I bet you don't even REMEMBER him angsting at "how dare everyone quit this game and go back to real life reeeee" back then. I picked this up when only THREE chapters were translated and got BORED. He has NOTHING compelling about his character.

And do you know why I say Overlord is WORSE? Because at least Kirito had one flashback and 2 chapter gap before he was established as the "big man on campus" to the audience. Ainz? His legend spread the moment he had his first encounter. He already has his castle, his armies and he has no weight on his back harkening to his past life. There is no helplessness to his condition. Even if he can't find a way back he has a fucking kingdom and an idiot of a woman whose AI he rewrote to serve him. There is no RISK or REWARD. There is no possible CHANGE, regardless to whether he succeeds or fails in his so-called quest, the damn safety net is already there, so why would I want to bother with a story where the stakes have been carefully tabulated so that any loss does not affect the position of the main character.

Give me THREE fucking reasons, you piece of shit. You don't grow with him, you don't sympathize with him and he has the personality of a cardboard cat john.

I say again that there is NOTHING that compels me to see what Ainz does next because I can just as easily go to Fanfiction.net and pick up a Naruto AU fanfiction and it'll pretty much give me the same result now, wouldn't it? Fucking pissant.

>useless cribaby gets handed the most powerful quirk in the world on a silver plate
Gee surely nobody wants to be that kind of loser

Why Eugene is my favorite shonen character

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Overlord fans are deluded. The characters themselves are one-dimensional but the events that happen kept me interested for popcorn material.

>3 hours
Holy fuck why?

Anyone with half a brain knows MR and Digishit are spouting bullshit.

...

Uh Himiko Toga exists gayboy

Isekai are shit anyways.

If you like ANY shonen, Isekai, or LN adaption shit, you deserve to die TBQH.

If you like any anime you deserve to die desu.

>3 hours

We've reached the zenith where SAO's hatedom is much lower quality than the show itself. Thanks e-celebs.

If you like anything you deserve to die TBPH

If you exist you deserve to die to be quite honest

Honestly, if you're dead you deserve to be alive.

>I like anime!
>But I don't like tsunderes, panty shots, characters who don't look their age, jiggly tits, Engrish phrases, or 99% of anything anime related! Just my special brand of anime

>Muh helplessness
>Muh drama
>Muh tragedy
This is your formula of "THREE fucking reasons", right?
Idiots like you are the worst kind of readers. You cannot tolerate works that don't fit your narrow standards and will never try to read something new. The point of Overlord isn't to make you sympathize with or root the protagonist. He isn't some stupid misunderstood hero who has a tragic background, hated by everyone but possesses a heart of gold and will try his best to do good deeds that you're familiar with. He is a fucking evil dark lord who can slaughter millions without hesitation. You don't read about him to root for him, you do it to observe him as a neutral party and enjoy the ride, possibly learn anything you can from his quest.
And that is the blatant difference from those self-insert in fanfics. In those thing, inserting yourself as the protagonist will make you feel good since they are usually portrayed as good guys. But normally, you don't self-insert as Ainz, since he is a villain, a well written, transparent villain without any excuse and portrayed as such by the author, something his actions are even vile, disgusting that you can't agree with, but that's the point of his character. Or you are trying to tell me you insert yourself and try to root for Hannibal Lecter and Patrick Bateman as well?

Sometimes I self-insert as an evil edgelord so this statement doesn't work.

Well, would you have a problem with someone who just dislikes pantyshots, but has no problem with anything else on the list?

General litmus test is if they watch an anime and enjoy it but then immediately call it trash when it gets popular. It's how I know most of Sup Forums is fucking retarded.

I like Overlord because it's not just one fuckface getting used to a new world but an entire group of insane people.

>Seikon No Qwaser mangaka does an isekai
>Makes Tomo into a dwarf

I want Shiburin to take a shit on my chest and call me useless trash.

I have a problem with everyone to some extent but I'd have less of a problem comparatively to the others, minus tsundere, yes.
If I were to make a tier listing of the dislike problem levels it'd be something like
>Problem
Tsunderes, panty shots
>Big problem
Engrish phrases
>Contempt and loathing
characters who don't look their age, jiggly tits

I see. I dislike pantyshots because I prefer to not always mix cute and lewd. What's the problem?

>xD I like 90's anime as that's back when it was good and none of this school life bullshit
>Never actually watched 90's anime besides the 5 shows on [AS]

>Calls anime "Japanimation" or "Japanese Animation"

>Complains about the state of the industry but doesn't actually understand it and pirates everything

>Parrots out of context Miyazaki quotes to shit on anime they don't like.

Yeah, overlord is pretty much the exact premise of most isekai in existence with the overpowered MC and dicksucking everything, and even takes it further by making the MC take the place of a pre-existing and legendary OP character that already from day one already won the game and has everything from allies with undying loyalty to him to owning his own portion of the world to lord over and becoming a lich is just an excuse to handwave and justify him having even looser moral values than he had before.

When will Japanese schoolkids stop being such losers so OP MC isekai dies off?

>List your litmus test for stupid people.
Anyone who hates fun and Re:Subaru

>you need a really high iq to understand overlord

-Anyone that constantly shits on mainstream anime and their fans, but thinks TTGL, Jojo, and FMAB are untouchable masterpieces.

-People that read their first batch of seinen manga and start calling others entry level as an insult with absolutely zero self-awareness

-Anytime someone "critiques" supposed flaws story and it reads like some arbitrary checklist of Do's and Don'ts that they picked up on TV Tropes

The state of isekaishitters.

>get fed on stuff about SAO being shit and its flaws
>believe it for years and have avoided it ever since
>see one of the games on sale and decide to fuck it and delve into it
>it's actually pretty good and the characters get loads of development
>rewatch the series to see if I actually missed stuff
>turns out everyone was just talking shit and have selective memory about the series
God fucking damn e-celebs.

You'd be a brainlet if you actually took them seriously.

You only have yourself to blame.

Yeah the gameverse have some seriously top tier girls.

This is unironically true.
The amount of idiotic assumptions and poor comprehension of the haters just shows that it's too high level for your common person.

You'd think you Overlordfags and SAOfags would get along given to how they have gotten the exact same experience.

But eh that's just what I'd expect from people.

It triggers me that you use SAO for this shit instead of say Naruto or Log Horizon

People who think that Ainz is a traditional main character are secondaries. The novels do not follow his perspective more often than not.

Log Horizon is infodump garbage. I'm sorry but if you think Log Horizon has a substancial plotline, then you're dead fucking wrong. It took 3 fucking novels to establish the world they live in and that's not fucking even accounting for the half-a-novel exposition on the game updates as equivalents for world changing events for the world they now live in. I can't believe I got tricked to watching 50 episodes of that bullshit and a further 8 novels.

Overlord is fundamentally different from most other isekai series. If he wasn't "overpowered" then it would devolve into a stupid fighting/training cycle like other shonenshit. Log Horizon is a fair comparison, but the others don't share much in common with them.

Being shit doesn't mean they aren't similar. It's like comparing Eva with Gundam SEED.

I would argue it's a different approach to isekai, but its still a popcorn movie manga.

I see it as someone who was used to having virtual power, that now has actual power, and doesn't know how to handle "absolute power and loyalty"

As we get further in the series, especially with the Lizardmen arc, you can tell Ainz is out of his element in a leadership role, but things just work out because its a popcorn manga.

We also get to watch his companions, who get to start from functionally zero character-wise, and develop personality while trying to manage obeisance for their Overlord while not realizing he enjoys having them as friends more than mindless servants.

Yeah, it's got grognard fans, and its still an overpowered MC isekai. I just personally enjoy its implementation, and think it's not lying to itself about how overpowered its MC is.

>"I really hate [anime name] and the following is my personal grudge towards it"
>followed by a wall of text clearly parotting some fag somewhere
>dig up the faggot
>youtube account subscribed to """anime reviewers"""
Never failed to put a smile on my face. Please never change.

I liken it to stuff like Dungeon Defence but that gets grimmdark pretty fast.

>I didn't read nor understand the story
That's a retard to me

SAO has a rather large hatedom. They have run off many fans into their own isolated communities. Log Horizon is generally considered as a great Isekai despite it being wrong.
Don't get me wrong my good man, I don't hate either series but I'm just saying that fans should just not attack each other (although I've not seen SAOfags attack Overlord at all) given how they've seen the same discrimination.

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>Midoriya's quirk is OP and he did nothing to get it
>btw Touma's Imagine Breaker is cool
That's my test

Overlord is entertaining because of the edgy shit

I like both. What does this make me?

I love both, but they are overrated, at least SAO is, i don't know about Overlord.

If you like both then usually the first one doesn't apply to you.

You really don't, but some people manage to be too stupid anyway.

Mine's a lot more simple. If you like -gatari but don't like SZS, you're a bad person.

>SAO
>Isekai

He's a meshy though

More like
> i like overlord because the main character is a skeleton

>overlord
>overpowered mc
But that's wrong, just because he's a lv 100 in a lv 10 zone doesn't mean he's op.

You're right Ainz isn't that overpowered in the story. Take CD for instance, she's essentially an expansion character while characters from Ygg are stuck in vanilla. I'd say that the existence of people like her in the NW that can steamroll Ainz & Co really doesn't bode well for Nazarick.

fucking kek

I disagree, Vol. 7 was the worst vol.

how can you say that when volume 8 exists?
>herbs collecting quest no. 53 with useless side characters
>muh goblin summons
>muh slice of life
>o my herbal nen
it's literally painful to read

>t feels way too much like a "rage against what life didn't give me" outlet from his perspective

>He's not "trapped". Trapped is the unwillingness to be in a spot. He may not have had a hand in choosing where he was to be, he's damn well enjoying where he is right now compared to where he was before.

I genuinely don't think you remember as much as you think you do because you keep saying stuff that are completely wrong to the point where you're not even talking about the same thing.

Hes never once raged against his old life. In fact, he didn't really mind it. He misses his old friends, and takes care of the creations because they're almost like the children of his friends.

Him overwriting that one character wasn't suppose to have repercussions, and he frankly doesn't want/like the advances cause again, its like having a friend's daughter hit on him.

>There is no possible CHANGE,

From meek salaryman whos putting on airs to an actual ruler would be a change. Which is exactly where its going.

As I said before, reading or watching, it does not seem like you have any knowledge of the crap you're spewing since this stuff is presented fairly early on.

You have to admit that if vol. 8 didn't happen than Enri's WAAAGH in volume 9 wouldn't have been as great as it was, since there really wasn't that much development for her prior to 8. Also it had best meido in it so I enjoyed it enough. 7 however was just an edgefest where people who didn't even do anything wrong were tortured and slaughtered becuase they went on a mission, which Ainz himself set up, to explore Nazarick.

>that lewd glare
W-what's going on in this pic?

buttplugs and meatballs eventually

Shalltear is overjoyed that she's able to take that lovely girl to dinner.

>buttplugs
Really? I didn't know that Overlord was so lewd.

So Ainz actually does face enemies who are a threat to him later on? Were those characters already adapted or do I have to wait for them to appear.

I like Ainz because he is a "bad" person. And isn't ashamed of his extreme hipocrisy.

ainz hates blonds