Darling in the Franxx blame

So who do we blame for Darling in the Franxx turning so disappointing so far? Nishigori as series director or the Plastic Memories writer?

The show has a lot of potential, but the way it is delivered so far is horrible and being past 5 episodes already there really is no excuse as its almost halfway mark for normal shows.

Instead of delivering a convincing story and conflict, so far it it is a slow exposition with formulaic character interactions and very little actual relevant developments usually concentrated at the end of each episode.

Literally ever episode follows the same formula - 80% of it being literally reused shots of characters in their rooms sitting around talking irrelevant stuff and then in the end something happens and maybe some fight is shown. It feels less of a mecha show and more of Kiznaiver, except each of Kiznaiver episode was unique and had own story and could hardly be described as filler - which most of Franxx seem so far. The characters are carton cutout, and what is worth are not just walking archetypes - but exaggerative simple and cartoonist archetypes: like the Mitsuru, Zorome or the fat guy existing for fat jokes. World building is barely done nothing of the relevant concepts of the show that were introduced initially being touched. It took 4 episodes for Darling to get into the fucking Franxx and still only the next episode likely hopefully to be different from the slog all the previous were: so far you could concentrate everything that happened in 30 minute OAV easily and it would be a better viewing experience.

So, returning to the topic - who is to blame? Nishigori, as one whos "passion project" it is. Or Plastic Memories writer - that diluted originally interesting concept leaving the the actual story hooks and developments hanging and show has less happening than Slow Start.

Are you retarded?

>Being a Rick and Mortygarden apologist

You are watching the show for the waifus. Your post illustrates it. Have anything to say in defence of its "story" and criticism in the OP post? No? Though so.

Are you retarded?

>very little actual relevant developments
Stopped reading right there. Episode 4 had so much stuff resolved that I was worried where the show would go from there.

Ichigofags are as pathetic as their self insert.

It's better than VEG and that's all we could have asked for

Episode 4 was a culmination of entirely empty first 3 episodes. And even there, the relevant part was once again litterally last 2 minutes.

it's not disappointing. So far it's strictly better than evangelion in the giant robot department

>Episode 4 was a culmination of entirely empty first 3 episodes.
Brainlet please.

Yeah. Ok. Bye.

I'm watching it for the story, characters, animation, soundtrack, the works. I think it's getting better with each episode and I get excited thinking about where it could go next. Zero Two is a wonderful bonus, yes, but it's not entirely for her.

>the relevant part was once again litterally last 2 minutes
So basically you disregard the development between 002 and Hiro that happened during the majority of the episode and only consider the 2 minutes of mech fighting relevant?
Jesus christ dude.

Trigger is and has been garbage since they started.

>follows a formula
>talking about irrelevant stuff
>cardboard cutout characters
All the stuff you're complaining about can be said about 99% of the anime. If you're expecting something else anime is simply not for you.

So you are watching it for projected potential. Too bad it is still far from getting there. The story is none. The characters are more generic than Death March one. Animation is mostly cheap with only few bits by freelancers in actions scenes, and even there deeply inconsistent (though the 5th episode was overall improvement, compared to first 3 A-1 episodes which were typical A-1 "quality"). Soundtrack is generic as fuck - at that point even rehashed Sawano soundtrack would have been better.

The only hook is story potential - predictable as fuck and generic, but it is not like that ever was an issue of mecha shows as long execution was ok. But even that is unnecessarily delayed. The most realistic explanation i could imagine is Nishigori simply actually not having resources to make actually ambitious show like TTGL, Eureka 7 or even on a level of G Reko or MJP: so has to produce it in that format to keep costs down: with 80% of filter and 1 minute of animation and happening per episode stretched over two cour of the show, with maybe 1-2 select highlight episodes with decent production and tempo.

This

>g-rectum
>TTGL
>shit7
>ambitious
(You) deserve it.

>So who do we blame for Darling in the Franxx turning so disappointing so far?
Stopped reading there, eat shit OP

But this is not Trigger. This is Nishigori. Show is mostly A-1 anyway, with Trigger just tasked with production and Imashi doing action storyboarding. So far Trigger episodes actually were better made than the ones from A-1. Will see how Khara episodes look alter.

Trigger has very little to do with concept and storytelling of the show - and the storytelling is the weakest part of it so far. Even with weak presentation, it could be decent if it had compelling story.

Just admit you're just shilling for Picklerick Evergarden and fuck off.

It is more disappointing than Chrome Shelled Regious and Eureka 7 AO. That should say something. G Reko appears to be masterpiece in comparison and even IBO feels less of a slog.

Darling in the Franxx is a more perverted E7. One of the many reasons why it's my AOTS.

E7 was not that boring. And perverted part in Franxx is barely relevant - they teased with it in begining, but overall it is very tame show and the whole concept of sexually powered mecha is barely focused upon or relevant.

Fate Extra ep 2 is "perverted". Franxx overall is children show with eroticism and innuendos being on a level of shounen jump manga for 12yo kids.

>This fucking bait
>implying every episode hasn't been better than the last

You attempts to ruse are admirable. But I and the other actual fans cannot be rused

You're trying too hard

>E7
Not him but E7 is unwatchable.

>E7 was not that boring.
Now that's a shitty bait.

20 episode later, when it still is not good what will you tell? That it never was supposed to be a great and fun mecha show in the first place and was just a sol character study of the most shallow archtypic copy paste characters and it is just that it's deep symbolism and "not show, not tell" narrative that eluded the dumb haters?

>soundtrack
Is there a show with weaker soundtrack than Franxx this season?

Rick and Mortygarden

If you are not ready to give a serious answer, then don't waste the time

>20 episode later, when it still is not good
That implies it's not good now, which it is

>Can't even admit it
Typical RAMGfag

I belive the blame mostly should be on writer. Nishigori came up with decent concept and premise that could be interesting, but it was failed in the hands of bad writer. Kinda like Mayoiga, being Mizushimas own "passion project" and story he came up with - turned into unintentional comedy thanks to Mari Okada.

>being this pretencious

Speak for yourself, OP, I'm enjoying the ride

Go back to whatever place you crawled from.

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I had the same sentiment as you (not as strong as you, though), but after watching episode 5 I think it still has some promises.

Nishigori should just stick to character designing and never make his own anime ever again.

I haven't watched any of it and I'm not interested in the show. But does it share a character designer with Star Driver? That Mecha is a female Tauburn with the samemasculine/feminine curves swapped.

Just think about it. Macross Delta, is largely considered a failure of a show on Sup Forums. Yet it still was lot more engaging and had more convincing characters, direction and action. It ended up disappointment, since could not maintain the initial good setup with convincing story developments. Franxx is suffering even more as it still did not finish the set up even and it is completely open if the actual story would be even worth persisting through it or not.

No. The mecha are Pokemon tier. Might look half decent on detailed artworks, but in the show are basically look like low tier cosplayers acting as Pokemons.

Got some stills?

The more I read you post, the more I feel we are not watching the same anime. This anime gets better and better since episode 4 and 5. I will understand you if you post it at episode 3.

Considering literally all of those opinions you've just presented as facts are nothing more than your opinions, I don't know who I should tell you that you want to blame. You obviously have no problem conflating your head canon with reality and everyone else's taste, so why even bother asking in the first place?

It's two-cour, 24 episodes. It's got a lot of ground to cover, and maybe not a lot of story to cover it with. Sit back and enjoy the ride, and decide later if it wasn't worth it or not. Or, write it off whole-sale and stop wasting threads with topics and arguments that you've erected to ensure anyone who disagrees is a priori wrong, leaving absolutely no room for meaningful discussion.

>Nishigori should just stick to character designing
No, he should clearly quit the industry altogether judging by your image post.

When you assert your opinion as a fact, you leave no room for discussion. You obviously aren't even willing to consider the possibility that you're wrong, so why are you even bothering to discuss anything, other than to seek a sense of accomplishment by talking down to people or presenting what you believe to be some kind of valuable commentary to an audience?

Personally, the sound track is kind forgettable, and the animation is pretty average; however, I find the overall designs to be intriguing, the concept to be interesting, and while the supporting cast is nothing but archetypical I challenge you to find a one-to-one for Hiro, Ichigo, Goro, or 02 that doesn't rely on a gross over-generalization. I also appreciate that the story so far has maintained consistency and pacing, and is not interested in giving you every detail immediately, and do not think any portion is "unnecessarily delayed."

You sound like you came into this with predetermined expectations which were not met, and are not being overly critical. You're drinking coffee, and are upset to discover it is not tea. I do not know what to tell you to fix that.

I don't get this logic. Two cour does not mean it should be slow and shallow. Look at Gundam shows that are 50-75 episodes long. Aldnoah, no matter how it being shat now on Sup Forums had an engaging story clearly divided in two cours. Geass, VVV, Cross Ange - none of them feel like being dragged around. Even the trainwreck that was Guilty Crown just had 10x amount of the content Franxx presents so far. The excuse i hear the most that it takes time to focus on "characters", but thats the deal - it's characters are its weakest point so far and all the interactions, dialogues and characterization feels extremely blunt, simplistic and cliche.

>Hiro, Ichigo, Goro, or 02 that doesn't rely on a gross over-generalization.
Whats Anohana?

I totally agree with you that two-cour is not a good excuse for bad pacing; I was literally making an excuse for it. I personally think that, in the initial stages of development, it was written to be one-cour, and was turned into two-cour without adding anything.

I think they are padding it. However, I don't understand why you care; either give it time to get somewhere, or stop uselessly complaining about the show, especially when you aren't willing to actually discuss anything in favor of pushing your opinions as facts.

>Whats Anohana
A gross over-generalization. A love-square is not the totality of either group of characters.

>You sound like you came into this with predetermined expectations which were not met
True. But how is that an argument against my points? I expected interesting and fun show. When i realized it will not be one, i tried to look for redeeming qualities that would still make it worthwhile - but found none. Did you?

The only thing that keeps me around is realization that at some point something will actually happen in it and there would be some decent episodes. It does not cancel out the fact that 5 first episodes, transformed in money that would litterally be more than 120$ worth of BDs - are completely disappointing and not worth the time. Whatever it tries to be, different from mistplaced expectations - it is not very successful at it.

No, he should continue creating 10/10 girls like Zero Two

>how is that an argument against your points
Because you're presenting your opinion instead of a critical analysis, and your expectations are exactly what is limiting you from finding redeeming qualities. Since you wanted this show to be a certain way, there was no way you could enjoy it unless it met your very specific expectations. Again, it's like wanting a cup of water but then picking up a cup of coffee, and then deciding that coffee is shit simply because it is not water.

> i tried to look for redeeming qualities that would still make it worthwhile - but found none. Did you?
Yes; I think the design for the characters, set pieces, and mechs are interesting (minus when the mechs are being piloted.) I think the references to both mecha and magical girl are both interesting, especially in how it's being done, and I'm interested to see where they go with it. I also personally don't have a problem with the pace that the story is taking, since I actually greatly dislike when the exposition reveals the entire plot in character-dialogue or when the entire world is revealed within the first few episodes. I prefer something very slow like this.

>the 5 first episodes...are completely disappointing and not worth the time
To you. Again, I have no issues with them whatsoever, because I do not have your preferences nor your expectations of what makes a show fun or interesting.

Sup Forums, for making a million threads about this shit

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I would also point out that I don't think Darling in the Franxx is exceptional in anyway; I think it's marginally above average, overall, with the potential to possibly be pretty good later on. I don't think it's some savior to anime, and I don't think anyone but a handful of idiots around here hyped it up to that extent.

People say there are 20 more episodes and it will get better. It probably will. However they should also note, that unless the rest of episodes are written by other writers entirely - the chances are very high, most of the remaining episodes will follow in one way or another same formula as the first 5. So after any high point dramatic scene, espected 3 episodes of shallow characters telling cliche lines and setting up trivial drama that has no impact because characters feel like carricatures: like the case with Mitsuru whose whole characterization in last episode consisted of being mad and spiteful, with episode "subtly" 5 showing us around 30 times how unsettled he is with the fact hiro can pilot Sterlizia.

Or Ichigo - what character development she got in 5 episodes? Episode after episode the show repeats same things over and over - up to using the same scenes entirely.

I picked it up finally about a day ago and I'm caught up and I feel the same way. The character interaction is putting me to sleep and the direction of the """story""" feels so slow unless they plan to do something that will surprise us.

Hiro is so incredibly flat and bland it's unbelievable. His boner for 02 is really odd considering their limited interaction with each other other than his lust for wanting to feel useful.

At least the animation is really good.
What am I missing? Do I not have a powerful enough boner to enjoy the show?

My critical analysis is that every episode is 80% filler and 1 minute of actual content and production effort at end of episode to make people excited for the next one. It litterally follows the formula over and over.

I did not see you address this point. You can't say show is interesting, when majority of it's content is subpar.

>show has less happening than Slow Start.
Stopped reading there

>Stopped reading the
Stopped reading there

It isn't. My problem with the show is that it can't determine its own identity. Does it want to be a relationship study using sexual innuendos in 'mechs' to help get that point across? Does it want to be a generic battle shonen with a monster of the week setup? With the former you get the terrible internal monologues that make you roll your eyes due to how forced they are in making the show look 'meaningful' and 'deep', narrow FoV which scream THIS IS IMPORTANT! LOOK AT THIS SYMBOLISM! Which don't even work most of the time. With the latter you have some good monster design but the mechs look really uninspired and organic(?) to be giant robots which makes that aspect fall flatter. The characters are cardboard cutouts of what you see in other shows and aren't really developed from there except for the main trio and maybe Goro. There's also the problem with pacing in that it's either too fast or slow based on whether the show is trying to be character oriented or not with it leaning towards battle shonen which makes the 'deep' moments all the weaker because it doesn't feel like natural development.
I'd also go on about other aspects but I need my morning coffee and laptop to pull up examples.

>I did not see you address this point. You can't say show is interesting, when majority of it's content is subpar.
This is just your opinion. It is not a fact, in the least, and it belies your expectations. You're not even criticizing the show; you're criticizing your own expectations.

I don't think any part of it is "subpar". Again, the art design is top notch, the mixing of tropes is interesting, and I think the pacing is perfect because I don't like the story being handed out in the first 3 episodes. You seem like one of those people who think "average=total shit."

I also disagree completely that 80% of the show is filler with 1 minute of actual content; you just expect a completely different story arc for some reason. You sound you've gotten too used to narrative arcs that deliver the entire story in the first few minutes and then present micro-conflicts over and over again which all resolve in a single episode.

So far, the story has consistently built on an even pace on several ideas, including how normal humans are affected by 02 during piloting (which also demonstrates that the synchronization happening between pilots is quite a bit deeper that it appears topically), how Hiro is definitely not a normal human, how the extended history of the children is a crucial component to both their characterization, the story, and even how the machines work.

It's introduced and expanded on several major points, and you're upset that it isn't progressing quick enough. I don't know what you want; do you want the entire story wrapped up in the first 6 episodes, and the other 18 to be about nothing?

If you unironically think this way, this is the not the show for you and you are trying to state your personal taste as objective fact. The thing is simple, just stop watching it.

This is like saying Gundam fags who hate Okada to stop watching IBO.

Agreed.

Absolutely none of this is anything but your own personal taste layered on top of your opinion.

If you think the show is bad (which you obviously do), then just stop watching it. Regardless, don't make another shitty thread where you spout your opinion around self-righteously like you're the sole proprietor and authority of quality.

This show is basically Evangelion for brainlets.

latest episode was sick off urself dweeb

This is what autism looks like. There's no need to "blame" anyone. I've greatly enjoyed every second of it.

The topic is not about agreeing or not, but who is to blame for it? Director or Writer.

This is what autism looks like. Enjoying watching the paint dry unironically.

OP is just pretending to be an impatient little kid.

In truth, he likes Darling in the Franxx, and just says shit about it to have a conversation, so that he doesn't die of boredom. In this case, the boredom is actually positive.

His life is boring because everything is going quite well. We are living in a golden age of wealth and prosperity, we have the internet to communicate with random strangers instantly, we have abundant food, our living standards are higher than ever, and we have the luxury to be angry about other people's way of life of enjoying things instead of having to worry for ourselves how to not die from starvation.

OP just craves attention, because fapping to free porn has become boring and is not intellectually stimulating. Better to engage in talks, because it breaks the daily routine.

>s-stop making threads dissing my favorite show!

I don't "hate" it. I however find it boring, tedious and pointless and still waiting for when it will get good.

Then explain to me why it's good. Instead of saying that my opinion is bad and that I'm OP (I'm not).

So the consensus is that the people who are arguing against OP like it 'just because'? No points saying it's a good show.

It is not even about liking the show or not. It is about people unwilling to pin the blame for its shortcommings as they pretend everything is perfect defensively.

user, we are not even a quarter into the ride. How is that ADHD treating you?

>So who do we blame for Darling in the Franxx turning so disappointing so far?
DITF got better with every new episode.
TL;DR the rest of your stupid post.

DITF is an unironically good anime.

I just don't understand the overwhelming response to it here outside a dedicated group of shitposters. After the threads for episode 4 that hit like what? 900 posts? I expected something worth my time but this fails so spectacularly at the moment that I'm left at a loss.

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No one is to blame for anything because the show is good.

How ironic.

Why are you pretending like anyone on this board is disappointed, no one was even hyping this up, we just new it was a thing that's coming that was probably gonna suck turns out it's incredibly interesting and fun week to week and completely took over the board.

There's no point in pretending like it is as you say, everything about this board the last month refutes all that you claim. You're not fooling anyone but yourself.

And what makes it 'good'?

Just watch it and take whatever enjoyment you want from it, holy shit. No need to be all analyst on it's quality. It's just a stupid fun show.

I'm watching it but i'm not putting my lifeline on it or something.

The show has a lot of fun with tropes and cliches the brazzen sexual imagery is an eye grab and actually made a lot of people stop a think for a second.

The characters are a lot of fun and great on screen, thus far zorome and miku are great standouts besides hirox02 who really sell the show every moment they are on screen together.

The show has really amazing direction and strong shot composition to occompany it's excellent character animation. It does a great job of expanding it's world through natural instances of dialogue, it keeps thins interesting but putting it's ideals of sexuality as a part of just about everything.

Anyways it's at it's best when hiro and 02 are envolved and that's part of why these first 5 episodes have been so engauging, it focuses around hiro and we got to see him at his lowest and raise to his current position, the dino aids thing becomes such an interesting concept because the viewer follows hiro, and it now directly envolves him, which is why you've seen 1000s of post juts talking about what will happen.

Instead of just focusing on a broader plot line like "Kill all the dinos" or "escape papa", they pull you in with these personal character stories and they are vastly more interesting than anything else this season.

It's an excellent show and that's why we can't wait for more.

Yes. Look up Shigeto Koyama.

Except it doesn't even do that well. A great stupid fun show was TTGL and this PALES in comparison. It's just meh

It does that more than well, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it this much.

>no one was even hyping this up
I like how every Franxx fag switched to that narrative as soon as it became clear it will be cheap A-1 shit and not the Trigger+Nishigori+Khara passion project they hyped as new NGE.

>it's incredibly interesting and fun

Alright, if that's your opinion, i respect that. But don't make it a mission to make everyone hate it just because you find it lacking. It's not good for you.

You are wrong in every aspect. Why do you believ your opinions constitute arguments?
>fun with tropes and cliches
No, its just cliches and overused tropes. It is not fun. It is not deconstrucging them or using in smart way, it is litterally THE most cliche show of the season and it is a season when Death March airs.

>The characters are a lot of fun and great on screen
No they are not. The fact that you litterally enjoy the most cliche and boring characters is your subjective opinion showing how little it takes to satisfy you.

>The show has really amazing direction
Ha
>strong shot composition
HA HA
> occompany it's excellent character animation
AHAHAHAHA oh wait, let me take a breath - you are serious: AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>It does a great job of expanding it's world through natural instances of dialogue
pfft

>it keeps thins interesting but putting it's ideals of sexuality as a part of just about everything.
God, i my face hurts from facepalming.

>first 5 episodes have been so engauging
As engaging as reading toaster manual.

>around hiro and we got to see him at his lowest and raise to his current position
so focuses on worst part of the show and most generic plot ever

>which is why you've seen 1000s of post juts talking about what will happen
Because the show is so bland and empty people have to escape in fantasy imagining universe where it is not and projecting their delusions. Nothing new, see Valverae.

>they pull you in with these personal character stories and they are vastly more interesting than anything else this season.
Slow Start has more interesting story and characters

>It's an excellent show
It is at best very mediocre on level, actually below even of Agrevollen and Linebarrels of Iron

>we can't wait for more.
Yeah, cant wait when finally something worthy of hype and creators name actually happens. Keeping with it for already 5 episode is torture enough.

>Darlifags getting destroyed
>In this very thread

No one to blame since the anime is good and actually exceeded my expectations.