Dragon Ball Super

Was Kefla stronger?

Yes
>In episode 123 Vegeta says Jiren has the strongest energy he has ever encountered.
>In the same episode he also says Jiren was stronger when he fought Goku
That means episode 123 Jiren > Merged Zamasu
And episode 110 UI Goku > 123 Jiren
>In episode 116 Toppo and Dyspo said Goku got much stronger and faster meaning 116 UI > 110 UI
>Piccolo also states Kefla surpassed Son's earlier level (110 UI)
That means SS2 Kefla > 110 UI
>Also in episode 116 Vados comments Kefla's power and speed were impressive but Goku's reactions gave him the advantage
Not to mention Kefla managed to tag UI goku 2 times with her lasers
That means in terms of power and speed Kefla > 116 UI
>In the anime Vegito vs Zamasu was much closer
>Zamasu tanks the Final kamehameha and lands a few blows on Vegito
And the various clashes that imply they were not that far appart.

Now let's recap

SS2 Kefla > 116 UI > 110 UI > 123 Jiren > Merged Zamasu
Do you really think that IN THE ANIME Vegito was that far above zamasu?
Answer is no.
Kefla wins

Her pussy alone can defeat Jiren and Vegito.

Goku & Vegeta > Caulifla & Kale
So obviously Goku + Vegeta > Caulifla + Kale

Still no match for Champa

Kefla isn't stronger than Blue Vegito, but had to be by far way stronger than DBZ Vegito.

Before re-fighting Beerus, Goku thought fusion with Vegeta would still not stand a chance, meaning SSG Goku > Vegito

Kelfa is composed of Saiyans that could go SSJ2 and some unique form slightly stronger than that, but they can suddenly challenge SSB Goku. Its kinda screwy

Doesn't change the fact that Goku UI Omen still beat SS2 Kefla.

>mashing tohether different episodes with different writers
>not even considering the fact that it's Toei
Stop reaching and wait for the manga assuming she'll be in it.

The real question, why the fuck was he not in the tournament of power?

>So obviously Goku + Vegeta > Caulifla + Kale
Fucking brainlet thinking potara is the same for everyone

Pic related Kefura was still stronger

>Kefla gave UI Goku a haircut
>Therefore she is stronger

And that's only one of your mental gymnastics tricks.

Fuck off.

In orther to argue that Kefla is stronger than Zamasu arc Vegito Blue, you have be supporting one or more of the following:

1.) Kale's SS multiplier is absurdly high
2.) Caulifla and Kale = Zamasu Arc Goku and Vegeta
3.) SSB Goku (ToP) > SSB Vegeto

It doesn't make any semblance of logical sense.

Ningen please

There is no reason to believe potara works differently for everyone bait-kun

>Kale's SS multiplier is absurdly high
it is have you seen how weak base kale is?

Eat my ass Vados

>quite impressive
>having any actual meaning
(you)

Reposting user from last thread.

Base form of every fusion has been shown in every single case to be stronger than the strongest form of the components combined. Base Vegito is stronger than Goku Blue and Vegeta Blue combined by definition (ignoring Kaioken here simply because it doesn't come up and I'll lowball for your sake).

This means Vegito base is ~2 x Blue (800 gokus/vegetas). Vegito Blue is then 2 x Blue x Blue. Since Blue>Red>SS3 we know blue is greater than the 400 times multiplier of SS3 so we lowball that to 400 for your benefit.

LSS2 Kefla is ~100x multiplier, we can even highball it as 200x since we don't know the difference of multiplier for legendary supersaiyans.

In order for LSS2 Kefla to beat Vegito Blue, base Kefla would have to be double the base of Vegito (200x multiplier highballed vs absolute minimum 400x multiplier for blue). Base Kefla is stronger than SS2 Caulifla + LSS Kale meaning base Kefla is ~100 Cauliflas and 100 Kales (simplify to 200 Kales here). If Base Kefla is 200 Kales and Base Vegito is 800 Gokus/Vegetas, with Kefla being 2x Vegito, this means 200 Kales = 1600 Vegetas meaning somehow Vegeta/Goku were individually 8 times weaker than Kale when they were in Black arc and somehow are able to completely destroy them in the ToP. For your claim to be true at bare minimum you have to justify how Goku and Vegeta's base multiplied by a factor of 8 in that time frame.

Forgot to mention

Even with an absolute lowball on Blue, saying its double the strength of SS3 has a squared effect on Vegito (i.e. Blue being 2x stronger than SS3 means that Kefla goes from 2x Vegito Base to 8x base). With this absolute lowball it goes from Goku having to be 8x to 32x stronger in base between Zamasu arc and the ToP. People commonly claim Blue as ~5 to 10 times red, making the power jump of Goku's base from 200-800x

Pic related
Put 2 and 2 together

Soon.

>jiren ignored kefla
confirmed kefla was weaker than hit.

She's not weak she just lacks confidence.

Listen to me retard
Every single one of you is saying

>It doesn't make any semblance of logical sense.

Irellevant it doesn't have t
o call it an outlier if you want
that doesnt change feats and statemets


Prove to me Vegito (Black arc) (anime) >> 116 UI goku and i concede

We've been doing this for two threads now, you're too obsessed with your virtual wife to see the writing on the wall.

>Prove to me Vegito (Black arc) (anime) >> 116 UI goku and i concede
Vegito is said to be possibly stronger than Beerus by Shin
Beerus is stronger than Goku

damn you're seething now

>Vegito is said to be possibly stronger than Beerus by Shin
>Vegito (Black arc) (anime)
GTFO
>We've been doing this for two threads now,
All i see is kefla downplay and how her multilpier doesn't make sense

>No argument
You are just proving my point

Some of you ningen are alright. Don't go to Universe 7 tomorrow.

What are the chances of the UI "omen" thing being Toei only and Goku going straight to Blanco in the manga?

>Before re-fighting Beerus, Goku thought fusion with Vegeta would still not stand a chance, meaning SSG Goku > Vegito

SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THIS ALREADY

SSG IS A FUCKING JOBBER
LITERALLY ULTIMATE GOHAN LEVEL
GUESS WHAT ULTIMATE GOHAN ISN'T AS STRONG AS VEGITO
FUCKTARD

Shin in the anime says he's never felt an energy as strong as Vegito's. That would include Beerus.

>All i see is kefla downplay and how her multipier doesn't make sense
Kefla has been downplayed in the past when she's said to be weaker than Aniraza or Hit, but you're fucking wanking her by saying she's stronger than Vegito Blue and you should realize this by now.

Today I will remind them.

>Angel tier
Whis
>Above GoD tier
Goku Blanco
Jiren
>High GoD tier
Beerus
Belmod
Regular UI Goku
>Low GoD tier
Vegeta Blue 2
Sidra
Toppo (GoD mode)
>SSB Kaioken x20 tier
Kefla
Hit
>SSB tier
Toppo
Golden Frieza
>High SSG tier
Dyspo
>low SSG tier
Gohan
A17

If you disagree with this you have mental illness

If Caulifla and Kale are trained by Vados could they surpass Goku and Vegeta?

*destroys your dick*

>ningen
>alright
Dumb Goten poster.

>SSB-tier + SSB-tier weaker than SS2-tier + SSG-tier

how is this even a question? fortunately kefla is filler

>Goku above Beerus
Stopped reading there.

Goku Blanco will defeat Jiren who is above Beerus
fuck off speedwatcher.

>Shin in the anime says he's never felt an energy as strong as Vegito's
I don't remember this

We don't know how strong Beerus is, but he hasn't shown any nervous reaction to gOKUS POEWR yey

>Goku Blanco will defeat Jiren
Nice headcanon

>>SSB-tier + SSB-tier weaker than SS2-tier + SSG-tier
Because of scaling
fuck your shitty formula

What if... Jiren is still stronger than Blanco?

Shouldn't she be topless like the other GoDs?

The GoDs have literal dick measuring contests, with Helles, Vados and Marcarita acting as judges

Why is gotenks stronger than kibitoshin?

>God has no set multiplier
>BUT MUH SCALING
Fuck off.

>Jiren powered up in episode 127
>17 still wounds him
Therefore 17 >SS2 Kefla > 116 UI > 110 UI > 123 Jiren > Merged Zamasu

Does it fucking matter? It's Toeishit, they decide who's the strongest on an episode-by-episode basis.
Reasonably speaking fusions will always be the same multiplier which means it's entirely based on the powerlevel of the fusees. And obivously Goku and Vegeta are far stronger than Caulifla and Kale.

Regardless, the only thing that matters is the canon, which is the manga. And here Vegito is shown at least capable of damaging Fused Zamasu (CSSB tier) in base form, and confirmed stronger than Beerus in Blue.

Every time I see this photo his forehead gets bigger wtf

How did he regrow his clothes?

>Gokek goes red haired in BoG
>jobs
>Gokek goes blue haired in RoF
>doens't job so badly but still is overpowered by golden lizard
>Gokek goes white haired in ToP
>gets his ass handed to him
Notice a pattern? I thought so. Toei still tried to give Kekarot some form of W buy having him ring out the non canon kekfla fusion just so his new hair dye wouldn't look so bad -- oh wait he wasn't even in white hair yet, he was using a cooler looking transformation that only gave him pupils.

Yes we all know 17 and kefla shit on vegito blue
you don't have to post it 100 times

I highly doubt it, the way Jiren has been build up this is past few episodes makes me think they want him to lose

17 shits on Vegito & Kefla

Helles isn't topless though.

>what is clothes beam

Scaling is exactly why Kefla is weaker than Vegito Blue you retard.

BASE Caulifla (ToP) x BASE Kale (ToP) x LSS2 multiplier < BASE Goku (Zamasu) x BASE Vegeta (Zamasu) x SSB multiplier

The biggest deal being that the Blue multiplier is clearly bigger and better than that Berserker/Legendary multiplier.

Neither does potara
it's just plot
Just because it shitty writing doesn't mean it's not written

Zamasu apparently has kaioshin powers.

fucking hot

Reminder that Super Saiyan Blue 2 didn't even fucking do anything. It's literally Vegeta's SSJ3.

Are you sure?

Potara's multiplier is clearly Character x Character

i am just pointing out that you're seething, I am not discussing.

>Scaling is exactly why Kefla is weaker than Vegito Blue you retard.
>scaling bases and multiplier instead of the actual fights
You are and idiot stop using logic to explain how strong kefla should be we all know it doesn't make sense

This thread is autism.

no

Yes

>made an useless robot cry

wew

Potara is clearly stated to be both powers multiplied together.
The problem is that Toei is more interested in episodic "hype" than maintaining any continuity.

>stop using logic to explain how strong kefla should be
The whole basis of this argument is logic. Zamasu arc Vegito will NEVER fight ToP Kefla so you can only rely on logic to explain the outcome. Are you serious?

That's a far better ship than Kefla / Caulifla + Goku.

At least that guy doesn't seem to be 3 times older.

Pure!

Again with the multipliers
We know kefla is stronger than she should be
Stop using a hypothetical kefla that follows logic

>Are you serious?
are you?
Kefla should not spirit bomb tier but she is

>asspulls MUH FRIENDSHIP transformation
>still loses embarrassingly
How will gokufags ever recover ? Even Gohan isn't this pathetic.

Thoughts?

>my power is bigger than yours BECAUSE
>logic

MAGETTA IS NOT A FUCKING ROBOT

How strong is Namekian fusion?

Piccolo fusing with Nail made his power rival Frieza's second form, despite neither of them being a match for him. Piccolo fusing with Kami made him stronger than first form Cell and Android 17, who could both easily beat Final Form Frieza.

>makes broly cry
>not a bitch

>Jiren wins ToP
>Everyone died, universes destroyed
>His wish is to revive all of the other universes
>Everyone comes back to life
>Jiren becomes new best friend to Goku
It’s so obvious..

>not even blanco
just wait, this is Goku's show

>stop following logic
I don't have words to describe the complete mental retardation I've just read.

Define pure

>We know kefla is stronger than she should be
Kefla is just as strong as she should be, which is about SSBKKx20 level.

Get your shit fan fic out of here Scotty.....

As strong as the plot needs it to be.

If you take LOLTOEI feats seriously, then yeah Kefla is probably stronger because they made Vegito too weak. This was already an issue in the Zamasu arc where he should have been able to stomp Fused Zamasu effortlessly.

>which is about SSBKKx20 level.
>stated stronger than the spirit bomb as a ss1
rip your argument
cry more i was talking about the fusion multipliers

She has the unlimited power of the on the spectrum (controlled) autism so she's technically stronger than everyone one.

The spirit bomb was about ssbkkx20 level. Don't you remember? The first time goku went UI tien and whis discussed that even absorbing it wouldn't have made him much stronger than he was.

Reminder Vegito track record is 0-2.

>The spirit bomb was about ssbkkx20 level.
and kefla can go ss2
Not to mention it gets harder to break the shell meaning as a ss1 kefla was above ssbkkx20

Is this a Dragonball general or a math general?? Haha am I right

Name a better Goku design.

EoZ goku