Reminder that this was the only time Goku won with an asspull power-up

Reminder that this was the only time Goku won with an asspull power-up.

SSJ wasn't an asspull, Vegeta had been raving about if for the entire latter half of the Namek arc.

How Was was SS1 an asspull?

Is it really an asspull when the prophecy was a major part of Vegeta's motivations and built up over the course of the entire saga?

The biggest asspull in Dragon Ball is the Room of Spirit and Time existing. It comes in without warning or previous mention, dominates the latter half of the Cell arc, and has little impact on the characters' emotional development. You'd think Trunks spending a year with Vegeta would have a significant impact on their relationship, or affect Gohan dramatically since he's giving away a year of his life at such a young, impressionable age, yet its treated no differently than the other "potential unlocked" magic tricks throughout the series.

>fighting for years didn't induce SSJ
>zenkai'd a few time didn't induce SSJ
>fight losing battle against final boss and convenient second murder of BFF did the trick

Legendary Super Saiyan may have been mentioned a few times but the way it manifested was an asspull.

>Goku won
>continually let Frieza power up
>things about to go south by the end
>only reason he wins is because Frieza fucked himself over

What did Super Saiyan allow him to do besides survive Frieza hitting his strongest state? He can't even use his most powerful attack, which he used earlier to probably better effect than anything Super Saiyan brought to the table.

>only reason he wins is because Frieza fucked himself over
Wrong.

Now he will win with asspull writing. Let's ignore that he somehow absorbed spirit bomb and attained UI. Jiren could throw them both in 2 seconds, he knows the stakes. Yet he only defends himself all the time and talks shit.

in the manga ssj goku wipes the floor with freiza, frieza going 100% and being on-par with ssj goku is anime filler

Goku did use the room with Kami in Dragon Ball. It was a bad enough experience as a kid that he got out after a month.

The only asspull was Krillin being the one killed to trigger the transformation (even though I stand by that it was Frieza saying Gohan was next). We'd already experienced his death before, as well as Goku going crazy due to it.

Should have been Bulma. She is Gokus oldest friend and wasn't a fighter, making Frieza more cruel. Krillin at the very least knew the risks of staying to fight.

gokus powerlevel was too low the first time

You're not dealing with the average saiyan warrior anymore.

You don't remember?

His powerlevel jumped by a million how is this not an asspull?

>i don't understand what asspulls are

Guru powering up Krillin and Gohan was more of an asspull than Goku turning Super Saiyan.

SS completes both goku and vegeta characters, one accepting he isnt hot shit at all and the other making peace with his past and heritage.
its meant to be goku becoming the hero of the legend, less of an asspull than say that fucking divine water or whatever.
>inb4 muh baba's prophecy

SSJ1 wasn't an asspull, it was foreshadowed over and over again.

Yea but they didn't mention that until the cell arc

SSJ is the expression of the potential strength your base form already has. Think of those moms that suddenly can lift a car to save their kid. This is why the form is so draining and hard to handle.

SSJ is essentially unlocking your limiter through controlled rage. This is why Old Kai said the transformation was inefficient. Gohan can keep up untransformed because he can now unlock his limiter without the form.

This also explains U6. They were already strong in base form, but they couldn’t utilize their full power until they could go super.

SSJ was a cultural phenomenom. Every kid tried to become SSJ while taking a shit. Rappers rap about it to this day. Pretty much every mainstream shonen manga since then had its own Super Saiyan equivalent.

The reason why people complain about these newer forms isn't because they're asspulls. It's because they're lazy as fuck, they look retarded and they happen way too frequently.

People who use "asspull" as a critique know absolutely nothing about writing.

Kuririn could no longer be brought back.
The whole moment was built up masterfully, with Freeza surviving the Genki Dama being something none of them were expecting, then he just comes out of nowhere and reduces Kuririn to fucking dust in a second. Goku never felt so powerless in his life, he gave his all and even more and couldn’t save his best friend.

Yes but in this case of Krillin dying it would mean he couldnt be wished back by the dragon balls at all.

>SSJ
>J
This said, Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.

Implies passive Oozaru, but canon hadn't yet established the modifier for it. Official shit from years later sets SKW as a 44% boost (as compared to Majin on Vegeta at 25%). Quite the hand-out for a sippy. One wonders what hand-holding did for him with Super.

Frieza was paranoid about SS to the point of gassing all monkeysbecause it was an average at best transformation that he could beat no problem. This would surely make sense.

You have no idea what an asspull is

>asspull power-up.
>Literally mentioned at the start of the Saiyan Saga when Vegeta met Goku.
>Every other word out of Vegeta's mouth when Goku pulled some kaio-bullshit out of his ass for a power-up, Vegeta would REEE internally and wonder if he was a super saiyan.
>Namek comes around, Vegeta reee's because Goku might be a super saiyan, so he brags to everyone he kills on namek that he will be one.
>Goku arrives, Vegeta spurges some more about him being a super saiyan.
>Vegeta dies, last words are basically, ay yo niggarot, become a super saiyan for vengeance, because of what happen to your people.
>Nah m8.
>Bald manlet is killed and dies a virgin, Goku literally becomes super cyan minus the red part for vengeance, which Vegeta said to do.
>Ass-pull being foreshadowed for almost half a decade.

>not Gohan going SS2

You have to remember that this was years and decades before turning Super Saiyan - let alone Super Saiyan 2 or 3 - was as common as going ATATATATA during fights. Goku spent years of his life training with people stronger than him and also fighting enemies stronger than him and during all this time he was still a child or very very young adult and was still an easy-going chucklefuck. This was built up over the years.

Then again Goku was arguably ass-pulling for years like when he learned the Kamehameha in about 30 seconds after seeing master Roshi doing it for the very first time,

>You'd think Trunks spending a year with Vegeta would have a significant impact on their relationship

You mean future trunks? It did, even if Vegeta is ice-cold tsundere.

Actually it jumped from 3 to 150 milions. It's still not an asspull though. If you want an asspull you'd better bring to the table the last zenkai Goku got on namek which made him go from being in the hundred of thousands to 3 milions.

The actual issue is that Goku activates it at the very last second. Freeza goes on a killing spree, first taking down Piccolo (he actually took the bullet that was aimed at Goku himself, too), then Kuririn, and then it would be Gohan and Goku. By then there was no other possible way to avoid Freeza winning and killing everyone, and only after backing himself into that corner does Toriyama finally have Goku go super saiyan.