Kayneth was a fucking saint among magus >wasn't some sicko that brainwashed old couples >didn't murder children >didn't cripple some bitch because she didn't reciprocate your love >didn't ship off his daughter to get WORMed >didn't sacrifice loved ones and innocents for some childish dream >didn't torture a spouse with sadistic glee just to get servant dick The only "bad" thing he did do was kill that rat priest who was conspiring with that smug fucker tohsaka and whose sperm became kotomine.
Like any saint he went through the most suffering.
Wyatt Russell
He publicly humiliated his student and later gleefully described how he would kill him. Those actions do not reflect well on an instructor
Alexander Edwards
Pretty spot on desu
Blake Davis
>He publicly humiliated his student Isn't that normal?
Brody Jenkins
His woman wanting to fuck his servant and all that, I didn't like him at first, but gotta admit, felt sad for the guy.
Anthony Gonzalez
Truly, the El Melloi title is give to the heroes we need but don't deserve.
>Lord El Melloi is honest magus who dies betrayed trying to save his fiancee, even if she betrayed him >Lord El Melloi II is honest magus that tries to drill some morality into the Clock Tower but gets bullied and he's forbidden from fulfilling his dream of going to the 5th war.
Joshua White
Who is 1,2,3, and 6?
Zachary Reed
But he was a dick
Owen Stewart
To be fair to Kariya, he sacrificed his sole chance at happiness so the woman he loved could live a normal life, only to find out that the exact thing he was trying to avoid ended up occurring because she married a guy who was a way bigger asshole than Kariya thought was possible. On top of that, he decided to throw his life away to save her daughter, and in the process he learned that he cared more about this child than her own parents. Adding insult to injury, when shit went south, the woman he did all of this for blamed him for everything and told him he was the most selfish man in the world. The fact that it took that much to finally make him snap is nothing short of a miracle.
Jordan Ortiz
Velvet and Ryuunosuke. Don't remember 6, haven't watched in years.
Liam Harris
maybe that little shit shouldn't have fucking stolen his relic. He was right btw since magic circuits and lineage does make the magus. Waver still turned out to be a third rate magus in his adult years.
Leo Lee
That doesnt mean it´s good
Justin Peterson
>bring waifu into a sicko battle royale Biggest mistake.
Hudson Wright
Waver, Ryunnosuke, Kariya and Sola-Ui.
Parker Morales
>gave up all hope of winning the holy grail war so his love who betrayed him and tortured him could live.
Connor Reed
Was waver actually a sicko though? I only watched the anime so I only saw one old couple being brainwashed. Who is Ryuunosuke?
Justin Bennett
The only person he was a dick to was Waver. Everyone else were way bigger pricks than him
Nicholas Jenkins
>Kayneth was a fucking saint among magus That's not exactly difficult. Mages are a an amoral lot by trade, and he joined a death match with the the intent of killing at least six other people for bragging rights, so even then he's still not exactly perfect.
In the LN, IIRC, Waver was never called out.
Kayneth said some idiot had written an essay about how lineage didn't mean shit, and then told the class it was wrong. Waver got pissy and outed himself as the guy who wrote it.
So fairly standard procedure for a teacher.
Jayden Bennett
>wah wah my teacher's a meanie
Millennials are pathetic. Be glad your teacher doesn't beat you for being a fag.
Cameron Nguyen
Kayneth was no saint, he was just a magus that wanted to fight relying his skill in a war that was rigged as fuck and full of double-tripple agents. If anything Kayneth is the Benjamin of the Animal Farm-esque magic experiment that is the holy grail war.
Logan Robinson
Morally, what Waver did was wrong, but in the end he didn't hurt anyone and the old man even said that it made his wife happy. In this case, the end does justify the means. Ryuunosuke was the serial killer who summoned Caster.
Carter Turner
Waver wasn't a sicko, OP was exaggerating. Ryuunosuke (pic related) is the serial killer who summoned Caster.
John Clark
>B-But other Magus were bigger dicks than him! By that logic I could go kill a person and it would be awright just because I didn't kill as many people as Hitler.
Luke Foster
Imagine how much better Kayneth's life would have been had he never met Sola.
Landon Sullivan
When the person you killed was Hitler, yes. People are only judging him based on his interactions with other dicks.
Angel Gray
>He was right btw since magic circuits and lineage does make the magus. Waver still turned out to be a third rate magus in his adult years. And yet despite being a shitter as a Magus Waver surpassed Kayneth in nearly all aspects and is more influential and powerful than Kayneth ever war in life. Still a shitter as a Magus though.
Cooper Torres
But he was a dick
Caleb Young
Is there any act that Nasuverse magi can't justify to themselves with "muh Root"?
Logan Hughes
It really is a shame how his whole family name collapsed after his death and never recovered. On top of all the bullshit that happened to him, his family honor, the most important thing for a magus, was utterly stained afterwards.
Austin Adams
>People are only judging him based on his interactions with other dicks. Fair enough. Still, I'd rather be a dick than a beta faggot who sacrificed everything for a woman who nearly killed him and hated him from the depths of her soul.
Seriously, everyone on Zero is a massive manchild. Only Waver gets a pass because, you know, he was an actual child. And Kirei too I guess.
Waver salvaged everything and rebuilt it harder, stronger and better than ever.
Solomon is laughing at you as he made a literal who 18 year old employee to a company he helped founded his successor.
Xavier Torres
Notice how Waver learned from Kayneth's mistake and became bisexual. That way he can never be cucked by a servant, but rather joins in.
Luke Miller
>Waver salvaged everything and rebuilt it harder, stronger and better than ever. That reminds me, how exactly did that work? Did the Clock Tower just say, "Well, you survived and he didn't, so I guess you can take his title and all his stuff"?
Cooper Clark
>Solomon is laughing at you as he made a literal who 18 year old employee to a company he helped founded his successor. And you are retarded if you think that makes (you) literally as strong as Solomon. He's successor metaphorically, his ideals and all that crap, not literally skillwise as a Magus.
Landon Watson
Specimen A
Isaiah Howard
>muh millenials
Luis Cox
>Kayneth's sudden death leaves a gap the organization of his research left at the Clock Tower, and House El-Melloi is left on the verge of ruin. While still considered Kayneth's "most useless formal student", Waver collects the unorganized and unattended works before they are lost, compiling them into the tome named "Lord Kayneth's Encyclopedia of Arcane Secrets." His actions restore the El-Melloi house, and he become known as the "man who revived the Archibalds" or "new El-Melloi." The encyclopedia becomes what acts as the foundation for the flourishing of the house and its descendants.[7]
>“I recognize your deeds to the Archibald family, but since you were only making up for what you caused in the first place, you better serve me for your entire life.”
>—Reines El-Melloi Archisorte, 10th Head of the Archibald family
>Waver takes on the title of Lord El-Melloi II, after the proper heir, Reines El-Melloi Archisorte, a young girl at the bottom of the family's hierarchy, recognizes his achievements, but only does so while letting him know that Kayneth's death was his fault and that he will have to serve her for his entire life.
He turned the blob into Terminator 2 Maid Edition. Can't get any better than that.
Easton Butler
Who was a bigger beta? Kayneth or Kariya?
Luis Reed
Kek, Found the millenial.
Angel Wood
So you were born before 1980?
Cameron Lewis
>Goes to the Holy Grail WAR >Gets mad when people do anything to win instead of preferring "honorable 1vs1 me faggot duels" What was the thinking?
Jason Peterson
>literal bitch boy to Kayneth's baby sister >more influential than Kayneth
What did he mean by this?
Alexander Jones
(You) had enough skills as a Master to have an entire army of Servants that could have literally raped the MA to death and crown (You) Emperor of Humanity.
Connor Lopez
He used to be so cheerful.
Christopher Russell
I really don't know either. Didn't everyone know that Kerry was the magus killer? Did Kayneth even research Kerry as opponent?
Oliver Kelly
Yes, because they love you personally, but Merlin and Chaldea provided the necessary mana.
Xavier Butler
Isn't Chaldea just leeching buttloads of mana from Avalon or some shit?
Jonathan Price
>Introduction - Lord El-Melloi II >Professor Charisma. >Master V. >Great Big Ben Londonster. >The man that female students named as the #1 man they'd like to get laid by, and so on. >A famous lecturer in the Clock Tower with many nicknames. >He doesn't have any problems in declaring he's an archmagus, but he's hopelessly average as a magus. >But, his skill as a lecturer dominates the rest, and is the best person at detecting the hidden talent of others and training it. >There are no magi that were his students that hadn't obtained the rank of Grand, and it's even been said that if he gathered his students together, the power chart in the Clock Tower would change.
Waver could literally take over the Clock Tower if only he gave a fuck instead of wasting his time playing weebshit.
Irrelevant to the point. (you) being god-tier at administration and talk no jutsu does not make (you) a good Magus. It makes him good at interpersonal relationships and managing, but not a good Magus. Just like how Waver being a god-tier teacher does not make him a good Magus.
Jason Young
>Gets mad when people do anything to win instead of preferring "honorable 1vs1 me faggot duels" But that's not at all why he got mad? Or did you conveniently forget all the Mystic Codes he brought with him and all the traps he set up?
Luke Robinson
>>didn't ship off his daughter to get WORMed Is it actually confirmed that Tokiomi knew what the Matou family were up to? He's an oldschool Magus, surely what Zouken was doing would be considered immoral.
Cameron Roberts
Wasn't exactly like that. When Fastwheels died all of the branches of the El Melloi family ravaged the place and took almost everything of value.
One of the only things they didn't touch was Kayneth's classroom and right to be a lecturer. Sure it's an honor to be one, but nobody thought it was worth the headache of giving up research in favor of teaching brats, with only the possibility of some of them working as your apprentices. Therefore, they just gave it to Waver because "Well he survived a grail war so I guess he must be worth something"
So he went and started teaching, and not only he happened to be fucking amazing at it and releasing everyone's potential, but his methods ended up gaining him the actual affection and loyalty of his students.
Kayneth's sister saw all this and decided to bully and guilt-trip him into becoming El Melloi II.
Nolan Phillips
>Waver could literally take over the Clock Tower if only he gave a fuck instead of wasting his time playing weebshit.
kek
If he collected his students he'd actually have *some* power as opposed to literally nothing he does right now. Except he'd still be a Reines' itsy bitsy bitch boy.
Jace Barnes
Touko doesnt care about the root
Jordan Evans
>surely what Zouken was doing would be considered immoral Doesn't matter anyway. Whether it's penis worms or arm tattoo, they are both painful. The tattoo probably more so.
Cooper Parker
>Waver could literally take over the Clock Tower if only he gave a fuck He really couldnt, some magi could wipe the fucking place devoid of all life if they chose to
Cooper Reed
He wouldn't have cared anyway because muh root muh tohsaka potential won't be wasted muh daughters will kill one another in a future HGW I'm so lucky
Elijah Murphy
Instead of a Grail War wouldn't it have been easier to reach the Root by gathering 60 years of mana and then sacrifiacing a bunch of humans (Like New York City or Hong Kong) to punch a hole to it.
Thomas Lee
>But that's not at all why he got mad? Or did you conveniently forget all the Mystic Codes he brought with him and all the traps he set up? Well does that just mean he's got mad because his strategies were flawed and he did not adapt his thinking to that of his oponent?
Angel White
Why didnt he choose the Sakura who is one of the strongest motherfuckers in Fate?
Anthony Gomez
Because Tokiomi was prone to making bad decisions.
Cooper Bailey
>Getting gangraped by rape worms is better than getting a tattoo.
I don't even like tattoos and I would prefer the tattoo.
Joseph Hughes
No, he got mad because he went in expecting a mage fight and then Kiritsugu pulled out a gun which are largely ineffective against top-tier mages that can actually fight. The only reason Kiritsugu's strategy worked was because he just happened to have super special bullets that are the kryptonite of mages. Note that even when he bombed the building Kayneth was in he still survived.
Owen Mitchell
Because Imaginary Numbers does not have as many applications in practice as an Average One does despite sounding OP as fuck on paper.
What will you use more in your life while, say, cooking: A knife? Or a chainsaw? Sure, the Chainsaw cuts harder, but 99.9% of the time you'll be using the knife.
Justin Wood
Said tattoo also continuously inflicts a lot of pain to the person 24/7.
Ian Peterson
Tokiomi was a pleb who didn't knew shit about imaginary numbers.
Lucas Davis
He serves Reines out of obligation since he believes he's ultimately responsible for Kayneth's death. Some of her demands were just to see what would make him tell her to fuck off. She doesn't have his loyalty, though. He's a loyal subject of Alexander the Great, and nothing will change that.
Lincoln Lewis
Waver fucking Taiga when?
Lucas Murphy
Still better than getting gangraped by rapeworms.
You'd probably get used to it after awhile.
Robert Miller
DUDE
Christopher Moore
Not before Reines pegging Waver in front of Taiga chan.
Colton Bailey
ALELELELELELE
William Wilson
...
Nolan Powell
>tatoo Is this the family friendly version of worms they used in the movie?
John Howard
Waver is into little boys.
Colton Rodriguez
No. The Crest that Rin has.
Connor Morris
God, I fucking hate secondaries.
Daniel Morales
Why are Waver's students so hyped up? I mean popping brands left and right is pretty impressive no question about that, but when you look at the individuals...
>Manchild >Furry >Literal Saberface >RHINO >TOHSAKA RIN pleases old men for money OHOHOHOHO >Fem-Shirou reject >Sadistic loli >That weeb nerd loser from Apocrypha >19th century serial killer
He gets them to do some good fucking magic but they're an unpredictable powderkeg, plus moralfaggotry weakens magi.
Angel Barnes
>moralfaggotry weakens Magi Solomon was the biggest moralfag Magi though and at full power could probably rape Gaia.
Josiah Morgan
Everyone underestimated him because he was an outrageous merc who killed with knives and guns, not some anti magic hax
Ryan Taylor
FUCK OFF MORALFAGS STOP RUINING MY CLOCKTOWER
Xavier Morales
Is it true true that Waver fucked some of his students ?
Robert Flores
Oh, I get it, but I don't remember them using the word tatoo to talk about the crest in the VN.
Yeah, me too. I especially hate secondaries who pretend they read the VN and start posting about their hate for secondaries.
Levi Perez
Luvia sleeps with her professors for higher grades so probably.
Benjamin Scott
No Alex.
Jose Taylor
And they think the Einzberns would send im some low tier merc? All of them are kinda retarded for underestimating Einzberns.
Asher Powell
They've been ineffective for years. The very notion that the Einzberns sent a merc was a sign to the outside that they were fallen
Lincoln Walker
>compiling them into the tome named "Lord Kayneth's Encyclopedia of Arcane Secrets."
That's like, the sweetest thing you could do to the guy who called you a retard and tried to kill you.